Fed up of bias towards Man U and Liverpool

[soup]

Penalties last 2 seasons.

Liverpool.
18/19 1 against. 5 for.
19/20 1 against. 7 for.
+10

Man Utd.
18/19 6 against. 12 for.
19/20 3 against. 14 for.
+17

Chelsea.
18/19 2 against. 7 for.
19/20 2 against. 7 for.
+10

City.
18/19 4 against. 11 for.
19/20 3 against. 11 for.
+15

Spurs.
18/19 5 against. 4 for.
19/20 7 against. 4 for.
-4

 

[dickieven]

But to be honest in the past two season we haven't spend much time in the opponent's penalty area so it is no surprise we didn't get many penalties. Nothing to do with any bias, just that we have been pretty shit.

 

[soup]

But to be honest in the past two season we haven't spend much time in the opponent's penalty area so it is no surprise we didn't get many penalties. Nothing to do with any bias, just that we have been pretty shit.

Well, if we're being honest, I'd have to agree with you.

Anyway, the stats were pretty selective. I went back another season or two and found a few in our favour, so I omitted those.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I'm off to buy shares in Bacofoil

 

[mezza84]

Penalties last 2 seasons.

Liverpool.
18/19 1 against. 5 for.
19/20 1 against. 7 for.
+10

Man Utd.
18/19 6 against. 12 for.
19/20 3 against. 14 for.
+17

Chelsea.
18/19 2 against. 7 for.
19/20 2 against. 7 for.
+10

City.
18/19 4 against. 11 for.
19/20 3 against. 11 for.
+15

Spurs.
18/19 5 against. 4 for.
19/20 7 against. 4 for.
-4

Isn't that the Aurier effect?

 

[topper]

Penalties last 2 seasons.

LiDiverpool.
18/19 1 against. 5 for.
19/20 1 against. 7 for.
+10

Mancheater Utd.
18/19 6 against. 12 for.
19/20 3 against. 14 for.
+17

Cheatsea.
18/19 2 against. 7 for.
19/20 2 against. 7 for.
+10

Mancheater City
18/19 4 against. 11 for.
19/20 3 against. 11 for.
+15

Spurs.
18/19 5 against. 4 for.
19/20 7 against. 4 for.
-4

FYP as above. Just proves we have no chance - Daniel, get those brown envelopes at the ready!

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

But to be honest in the past two season we haven't spend much time in the opponent's penalty area so it is no surprise we didn't get many penalties. Nothing to do with any bias, just that we have been pretty shit.

haha this is true to be fair. Who of our players are going to win us penalties anyway? Son and Kane occasioanlly but not many.
Those other teams have tons of players likely to be fouled in the box.

 

[Spurrific]

haha this is true to be fair. Who of our players are going to win us penalties anyway? Son and Kane occasioanlly but not many.
Those other teams have tons of players likely to be fouled in the box.

United definitely have a lot more players inclined to go down easily in the box, more than being fouled imo. The way Martial went down yesterday at the slightest feeling of the defenders breath on his neck was embarrassing, and I have no doubt OGS is spending 95% of their training sessions rehearsing diving.

Edit - I don't think we deserve more pens fwiw, I just think their cheating and gamesmanship is disgusting atm, the fact they get away with it almost every game is a joke.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

United definitely have a lot more players inclined to go down easily in the box, more than being fouled imo. The way Martial went down yesterday at the slightest feeling of the defenders breath on his neck was embarrassing, and I have no doubt OGS is spending 95% of their training sessions rehearsing diving.

Edit - I don't think we deserve more pens fwiw, I just think their cheating and gamesmanship is disgusting atm, the fact they get away with it almost every game is a joke.

Yea agree with this. Ole will have got this from Fergie as his Utd teams used to get tons of pens as well.

 

[spursfan1991]

People need to remember what happened to the italian league during the mid noughties. The italian league was the best league in the world prior to the match fixing scandal.

We are in a pandemic, organisations are losing millions. Its a smart move to make sure the money making teams are performing well.

 

[Japhet]

United definitely have a lot more players inclined to go down easily in the box, more than being fouled imo. The way Martial went down yesterday at the slightest feeling of the defenders breath on his neck was embarrassing, and I have no doubt OGS is spending 95% of their training sessions rehearsing diving.

Edit - I don't think we deserve more pens fwiw, I just think their cheating and gamesmanship is disgusting atm, the fact they get away with it almost every game is a joke.

I've always maintained that if a professional foul is a red card, a dive to try to get a pen should be treated the same. They're both equally cheating behaviour. Unfortunately, 9 times out of 10 a diving player get the pen and very, very occasionally gets a yellow for diving.

 

[DogsOfWar]

The FA are a business, and like any other business will treat their best suppliers or customers preferentially.

United and Liverpool are massive worldwide brands and if they are successful provide the FA with more revenue.

Fergie knew this and was able to use his/United's profile to bully them. I would expect Ole, as one of his players, to do the same.

We all work for businesses that can either push around suppliers or be pushed around by big customers. It's not fair but it's just life. The only way to fix it is to grow as big as the big guns and be a part of it ourselves.

 

[Dov67]

People need to remember what happened to the italian league during the mid noughties. The italian league was the best league in the world prior to the match fixing scandal.

We are in a pandemic, organisations are losing millions. Its a smart move to make sure the money making teams are performing well.

it really amazes me how people tend to think, doping is only a problem for cycling and athletics, and nothing to do with football

or that refereeting scandals only occur in Italy, Spain or the Far East, and could never happen in our Premier League. Some referees are just shit, some will have the occasional bad day at work, and others are corrupt or biased to their very core, and ref a game with an agenda

 

[jurgen]

it really amazes me how people tend to think, doping is only a problem for cycling and athletics, and nothing to do with football

or that refereeting scandals only occur in Italy, Spain or the Far East, and could never happen in our Premier League. Some referees are just shit, some will have the occasional bad day at work, and others are corrupt or biased to their very core, and ref a game with an agenda

Those countries are always 'dodgy' though aren't they, so stuff like that happens there. We're British and paragons of fair play. You only have to look at our government awarding contracts to 'ferry' and 'PPE' companies and 'approving' housing developments to see how transparent and clear of corruption the UK is. Makes you proud.

That said, I think basic incompetence and deference to fame has long been an issue for refs in this country. At least they'll now have to look at that bloody screen.

 

[midoNdefoe]

I don’t mind the pundits, generally.
VAR does seem to be slightly skewed in a way that favours United. Maybe it’s the broadcasting of it that gives me that impression, where they often don’t seem to even look at penalty shouts against them Or mention them in commentary. Conversely they seem to run through replays with a fine-toothed comb trying to make a decision in their favour.
Maybe there has never been favouritism towards them but I suppose my point is: VAR hasn’t removed that feeling, but rather maintained it under the guise of making it more even.

 

[Trotter]

Penalties last 2 seasons.

Liverpool.
18/19 1 against. 5 for.
19/20 1 against. 7 for.
+10

Man Utd.
18/19 6 against. 12 for.
19/20 3 against. 14 for.
+17

Chelsea.
18/19 2 against. 7 for.
19/20 2 against. 7 for.
+10

City.
18/19 4 against. 11 for.
19/20 3 against. 11 for.
+15

Spurs.
18/19 5 against. 4 for.
19/20 7 against. 4 for.
-4

To get penalties there is a prerequisite of actually getting into the opponents box.
Can you not see the obvious reason why we don’t get many in comparison to our rivals ?

it is quite hard to be awarded them when your style of play is either sideways passes and shooting from distance, or now allowing the opposition the majority of the possession (irrelevant of opposition or venue)

United get more than anyone else because they spend more time in the opponents box than anybody, they turn defence into attack the quickest and have raw pace, and the trickery of their forwards draw rash challenges.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

Those countries are always 'dodgy' though aren't they, so stuff like that happens there. We're British and paragons of fair play. You only have to look at our government awarding contracts to 'ferry' and 'PPE' companies and 'approving' housing developments to see how transparent and clear of corruption the UK is. Makes you proud.

That said, I think basic incompetence and deference to fame has long been an issue for refs in this country. At least they'll now have to look at that bloody screen.

The fact that we are so transparent in central government procurement processes is the very reason you know about most of the stuff that hits the press........and is very often misrepresented!
Some might suggest that investigative journalism is pretty poor when Gov.UK publish pretty much every procurement over £10k.......and they still can't find a proper story to write!

 

[spursfan1991]

Jose's interview after the game was very interesting, without mentioning the clubs, he has alluded to the bias that clubs with richer trophy cabinets have. It's also good to read many fans have cancelled the Sky sports subscriptions.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

The exact same penalty that Leicester have just had against city (the second one), was overturned by VAR when it went against United yesterday. Infuriating.

 

[Beni]

The comment Souness made worries me.
Football is now a showbiz, and regardless of right or wrong decisions, what’s gone on with us today and other VAR decisions recently, gets the Premier League publicity, where around the World are talking about our league. Apart from us and other teams where decisions have gone against them, for the neutral fan it’s entertainment, and it sells. £££