Fed up of bias towards Man U and Liverpool

[spursfan1991]

Its good to see others sharing similar sentiments. I know the opinions are bordering on conspiracy theories which no one likes. I'm not happy to share these opinions but the bias is just too obvious and blatant.

Sky sports are currently doing a live watchalong for the Man U game on channel 403. Did we have one earlier? I checked for tomorrows game and one doesnt exist.

 

[Syn_13]

Thought it might be a good time to bump this thread and also to provide the link below.

Premier League top six who have had the most decisions overturned by VAR

One of the major highlights of Premier League this season has been the inclusion of VAR.

www.mykhel.com

So my issue with this is it only looks at decisions overturned. It doesn't take into account our recent woes with today's Bournemouth game and the Sheffield United one, where the initial decision was wrong and VAR didn't overturn it. We may be breaking even for decisions overturned in our favour but it certainly feels like we've suffered from poor initial decisions that weren't overturned upon review by VAR.

VAR is grossly inconsistent in that regard. It's overturned shit decisions whilst overlooking shit decisions. It was brought in as a failsafe for moments when the refs made mistakes or couldn't call it right because of the on-pitch limitations, or speed of the game. I don't know if we've had more incorrect decisions since bringing VAR in, but it what is certainly does is magnify the bad decisions. They become even more baffling when a handful of people are reviewing it behind a screen only to back up the initial bad call.

It compounds the theory that it's just bad refereeing. Possibly corruption or foul play at hand? As someone who is of Italian heritage, a Serie A watcher, and a Juventus fan, I'll admit I've seen more than my fair share of it and I'm not proud of that. It makes question the integrity of these officials and of the FA and referee's association who are just turning a blind eye to shit calls like this. It's happened to all the big leagues, so why would we think we're free of it when we're the "biggest" league and certainly the biggest money-maker in the world?

 

[UncleBuck]

Tbf I quite like Neville, Keane on the other hand..

Oh come on, Keane is comedy gold, you just never know what you’re going to get with him and he’s constantly on the wind up, proper mr angry!

 

[Wizzy77]

My other and an rising theory for the VAR inconsistent calls about VAR doesnt correct the field ref calls... is if the referees do not want to make a fellow colleague look bad that why they dont correct the wrongs? So they take an easy route on the "not clear and obvious" rule.

This is an worrysome thought.

 

[spursfan1991]

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer says Manchester United's rivals trying to create 'narrative' over VAR

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer: It looks like theres a narrative. It looks like people want to influence whoever is making the decisions

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Disgraceful from Ole. He thinks the fernandes dive against spurs was unlucky. The first penalty was never one, let alone the 2nd one.

Its not always the big decisions that generally go on favour of man u and liverpool. Its those 50/50 decisions that also generally go in favour of those 2 sides that really affects the game.

Dont be surprised to see Spurs to get some decisions against leicester.

 

[sausage]

My other and an rising theory for the VAR inconsistent calls about VAR doesnt correct the field ref calls... is if the referees do not want to make a fellow colleague look bad that why they dont correct the wrongs? So they take an easy route on the "not clear and obvious" rule.

This is an worrysome thought.

IMO the VAR should be a video choreographer and not a referee. The man on the field still should be making the decisions where judgement is required.

No room for any other options.

 

[wrd]

IMO the VAR should be a video choreographer and not a referee. The man on the field still should be making the decisions where judgement is required.

No room for any other options.

Exactly, it should be at the very most that they have the power to tell the ref that he needs to review his decision. Then it's up to him whether he decides to go with his original decision or not; would completely remove this ridiculous and open to interpretation notion of "clear and obvious"

 

[buckley]

Man unt = touch one of their players he goes down =automatic foul or penalty .
Regards Maguire he can foul at will in the penalty area in the knowledge tat no penalty will be given .
The latest Maguire incident against Palace was scandalous but expected he clearly fouled Zaha .
But these decisions have been going on all season .
And what is this nonsense in todays game Burnley v Norwich Var gets the ref to look at the screen to make a decision ( this of course is the correct course to take ) but previously in nearly every game they have taken the decision out of the referees hands by making red card and penalty decisions without consulting the referee .
So in this game one red card decision made by the ref and one red card decision made by Var brilliant we now dont know who is making the final decision its absolutely ludicrous .

 

[Danny1]

Let’s be perfectly honest here, of all the clubs that the FA want in the major European competition it would be Man Utd. Still one of the biggest clubs on the planet and them not being in the Champions League causes a problem for the big wigs.

It wouldn’t surprise me if we found out that there was a certain narrative that was indeed correct with regards to favourable decisions going their way. The palace game alone was ridiculous.

 

[Thewobbler]

Bruno is a great great talent but i can't make myself to support a cheat. I watched him almost every match since the restart. He always fall when he felt any contact, especially he has been involved in numerous game changing penalties incidents.

Sorry as much as a great talent he is, without sounding like an sour grape, i honestly think he has not been singled out as much i think he deserved.

A lot of players are like this now. The games gone soft.

 

[Japhet]

My other and an rising theory for the VAR inconsistent calls about VAR doesnt correct the field ref calls... is if the referees do not want to make a fellow colleague look bad that why they dont correct the wrongs? So they take an easy route on the "not clear and obvious" rule.

This is an worrysome thought.

And then they wheel out Dermot Gallagher to support the ref's decision no matter how bad it was.

 

[C0YS]

And then they wheel out Dermot Gallagher to support the ref's decision no matter how bad it was.

ex-refs protect other refs.

On VAR, United have benefited but don't think that's the issue. Apart from the two non penalties against Norwich. The issue is the overturning. Man utd seem to get 50-50s called for them a lot more, maybe in part because their players are a little bit cleverer in making it look more of a natural foul, and maybe through media pressure. It's when you see the penalties that we haven't given, or that of other teams as well. Man utd, get these 50-50s called and they are not overturned (which maybe they shouldn't be as 'clear and obvious') but there is no consistency.

Similarly, clear and obvious isn't well defined, this creates further issues. For both red cards and penalties VAR has been very shy in changing things compared to other leagues. The issue is VAR makes PL refs more likely to not give something, knowing it might be fixed with VAR. So I feel it has had the opposite affect then intended. Most teams getting away with more not with less. Red cards in particular, are rarely given by VAR even when in the past it would quite clearly be given.

The other big issue is that the ref has no opportunity to get a second look. The CL it all works much better as the ref can decide whether it was a clear and obvious error, and this helps because the ref can better judge that call, because he knows what he has seen and what he has missed, and it is his judgement. All of the problems to stop VAR being like the CL and make it better and quicker, have made it worse and more controversial. I don't like VAR at all, I would rather get rid and accept that decisions can go for you and against you. But if we are to keep it, we need to make it more like the CL system not less.

 

[spursfan1991]

So man u get a penalty in their final game lol

 

[Wizzy77]

Penalties United Football Club. Sums and ended their season up perfectly.

 

[buckley]

my problem with VAR is that on close decisions where they draw the lines representing the two teams if there is not a gap that can be seen with normal eyesight between the two lines the goal should stand and decisions could be quickly made as it is now they are making finite decisions because the lines seem to be touching and it is almost impossible to decide goal or no goal .
As for Any other Var decision if there is doubt the ref should be called to the moniter to make the final decision .
In other words Factual decisions like goal line or offside VAR is the judge .
Decisions of opinion red card yellow card for foul play or penalty no penalty the ref should be the final arbiter by being called to look at the pitch side screen . In short factual= Var . Opinion = Ref

 

[spursfan1991]

2 lovely penalties awarded to man u tonight (really soft pens which spurs dont really get). 1 was dissallowed for offside though by var. They will be hard to stop next year.

 

[JackTheYid]

I think soft is being kind.

It's a blatant dive from Martial. The player supposedly 'pulled' him yet he fell forward. That's without mentioning the fact there was nowhere near enough contact to make a player fall over.

And, funnily enough, never really spoken about by the 'fair and unbiased' pundits they had on BT tonight. In fact, Robbie Savage praises Martial giving him credit for looking for it.

Then again, good old Peter Walton was being paid to be in the studio again to offer his expertise and, guess what, he agreed with the referee!

 

[g_harry]

It turns out they have been awarded the most pens in premier league for last two seasons. Got 14pens this year verus our 3.

 

[isaac94]

I think soft is being kind.

It's a blatant dive from Martial. The player supposedly 'pulled' him yet he fell forward. That's without mentioning the fact there was nowhere near enough contact to make a player fall over.

And, funnily enough, never really spoken about by the 'fair and unbiased' pundits they had on BT tonight. In fact, Robbie Savage praises Martial giving him credit for looking for it.

Then again, good old Peter Walton was being paid to be in the studio again to offer his expertise and, guess what, he agreed with the referee!

Ian Darke was embarrassing in comms, even at one point said Fernandes is there best signing since Cantona, WTF

 

[KikoSpurs]

Pretty sure they train diving every training session.

Every time they are struggling to finish chances they receive a random penalty.

It's getting obvious now.