FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Bobbins]

Hardly, he's missed a lot more than he's scored. It's not even like most of them are from world class saves, he just looks like an ametuer in front of goal.

I'm, by my own admission, terrible at playing football. But even I score regularly playing 5 a side. It doesn't change the fact I'm shit more often than I'm not shit.

So going by the fact that Soldado has spent his career consistently scoring for fun, means that he must be pretty good at scoring goals then? Even if you thought he was shit at everything else (which he demonstrably is not), he's proven again and again that he can score goals (and currently has a 1 in 2 games ratio for Spurs), so by your logic he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing?

Or are you saying that even though you're shit and you'd miss a lot, you'd expect to be scoring just as many goals as Soldado if you played for Spurs (though you'd miss a few more)?

 

[Styopa]

Regarding Soldado, it's so bloody obviously a confidence thing, it's hardly worth saying. And to misquote Tennyson 'better to have had the chance and missed, than to never have had the chance at all'. Goals will come if he keeps getting into those positions and more goals equals more confidence equals more goals. Perhaps this wouldn't have been an issue if we had approached games in a more positive less ponderous manner from the start of this season. It would be unfair to say he has been dinning on scraps in all of the matches, but he's not been at the king's table either.

But it is true that Levy has a big call to make in the summer. After he turns 30 next year, regardless of form, his value will plummet. On the other hand he may be worth more to us than we would get by selling him.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I hope his bad spell ends his next game and he cant stop scoring for the rest of the season, not when he leaves.

Believe you me, so do I. But it won't.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

So going by the fact that Soldado has spent his career consistently scoring for fun, means that he must be pretty good at scoring goals then? Even if you thought he was shit at everything else (which he demonstrably is not), he's proven again and again that he can score goals (and currently has a 1 in 2 games ratio for Spurs), so by your logic he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing?

Or are you saying that even though you're shit and you'd miss a lot, you'd expect to be scoring just as many goals as Soldado if you played for Spurs (though you'd miss a few more)?

I'm saying even the worst players score sometimes.
He was great in Spain. He's been dreadful, utterly utterly dreadful in England.

It's a different game.

 

[postigol]

So I guess you thought Drogba was a flop when he first moved to Chelsea?

Why do you think that? Drogba will be thought of by most as a success, his stats are good overall:

157 goals in 344 games for Chelsea.

But if that is broken down you can see he scored almost half of that total (70 goals) in 2 spectacular seasons (06-07 and 09-10) with just 87 goals over the remaining 6 seasons at CFC - roughly 14/season.

Chelsea stuck with him and I guess that's the point you're trying to make, but they only got what they thought they were buying in terms of goals 25% of the time he was there.

I could easily throw back at you the example of Torres at Chelsea, for how long do you persist with a player before he comes right? Now played 156 games and scored 42 goals, around 1 in 4. The difference in both the cases of Drogba and Torres is that Chelsea have huge amounts of money and can afford the odd dud and wait longer for them to fire, our £56m punt on Soldado and Lamela is with funds that aren't going to be replaced.

 

[Bobbins]

I'm saying even the worst players score sometimes.
He was great in Spain. He's been dreadful, utterly utterly dreadful in England.

It's a different game.

He hasn't though. He really, really hasn't.

He's had a few poor games - as has every player. But "Dreadful, utterly utterly dreadful"? How can you possibly reach that conclusion. Even if he had performed terribly, how can scoring at 1 goal every 2 games so far possibly be classed as "utterly utterly dreadful"?

He currently has a better goals-to-games ratio than Pav, who is fucking worshipped on here by some, despite the fact he never contributed anything but goals.

 

[hodsgod]

热刺

I raise your 热刺 and give you these three.

よこはま，ヨコハマ, 横浜

 

[Eileen Drewery]

He is worth £26million because that's what we paid for him. If you remember correctly there were very few other proven high level goalscorers available in market. So that dictated his value.

Writing him off already is pretty stupid though. I'm sure if he has a good end of season and picks up next season you won't be so quick to come on here and admit you were wrong about him.

Lets not jump to conclusions after complaining about other people jumping to conclusions

 

[whisquer]

I raise your 热刺 and give you these three.

よこはま，ヨコハマ, 横浜

Dude, I got you the first time! Been there, you like the Chinatown area?

 

[Mr Pink]

Hahahaha! wow, just wow.

So the fact a player misses a couple of chances for us makes him a donkey? So you're writing off the rest of his career?

I can't quite believe some of the rubbish I've read in this thread.

I can't believe how many donkeys are on this site lol

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

So the fact that Soldado's scored 10 in 21 appearances for Spurs marks him out as a flop? What if he went on to finish the season with 16 goals - not an unreasonable expectation, we have plenty of games left - would that still be regarded as a flop?

Incidentally, Dennis Bergkamp scored 16 goals in his first season at Arsenal - who signed him for a club record fee which was 200% higher than their previous record. In the same season, Chris Armstrong scored 22 goals for us. Does this mean Bergkamp was a flop who Arsenal should've sold, and Armstrong was a roaring success? Robert Pires struggled massively in his first season at Arsenal and only scored 8 goals - does this mean he was a flop and they made a mistake keeping him? Should they have sold him? Bear in mind during this time Arsenal were scoring for fun and winning the league.

Some slightly over the top examples I know, but examples of top players who needed time to settle when coming to England, and players who in their second seasons and onwards went on to be regarded as greats for their club. One a young player, the other with huge experience.

If we opt for your 'they missed some shots, sell them now' policy, we will never, EVER establish ourselves in the top 4. The absolute last thing this club needs in the coming summer is massive turnover yet again - we need to do as little business as possible (CB, LB and that's it for me), have as little disruption as possible, and let the squad build and grow together.

Arsenal have been doing this for years and making mugs of us with our turnover of players, and to even think about selling Soldado or Lamela is complete madness.

In 11 seasons Bergkamp scored more than 10 goals 5 times.
His stats are actually quite pathetic really.

As for Soldado's 10 in 21. That's 1 league goal. 4 league penalties. 1 double against 1 pub team and 1 treble against another pub team.
Stats that would feed Defoe haters until the end of Time.

 

[Bulletspur]

Funny how people confuse "shit player" with "total lack of form and confidence in front of goal"


#blacknwhiteinnitho

The difference between a "shit player" and one with "total lack of form and confidence in front of goal"is that the shit player has the confidence and still misses!
I can see Soldado making alot of you eat your words in the future, give him time.

 

[SlotBadger]

If someone could make a compilation of all of Soldado's involvement from this match, it'd be greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, I deleted my Sky recording.

 

[SlotBadger]

This guy has missed two open goals worse than Soldado's last night and he's clearly a shit player.

 

[Bobbins]

In 11 seasons Bergkamp scored more than 10 goals 5 times.
His stats are actually quite pathetic really.

As for Soldado's 10 in 21. That's 1 league goal. 4 league penalties. 1 double against 1 pub team and 1 treble against another pub team.
Stats that would feed Defoe haters until the end of Time.

So what's your criteria for a flop? Only missed chances?

I don't really see what you're saying other than 'I don't like Soldado and am unwilling to give him time to prove himself'.

 

[only1waddle]

The difference between a "shit player" and one with "total lack of form and confidence in front of goal"is that the shit player has the confidence and still misses!
I can see Soldado making alot of you eat your words in the future, give him time.

I'm with you on this brother man, no eating of words for me

 

[Revan1882]

Been reading some of the posts and I really can't blame people for the reaction towards Soldado, sorry. Yes he might lack confidence but you can't miss them kind of chances and expect people to be behind you. Not being funny, but though some are happy to see the guy leave Defoe would have never of missed that chance and it reminds me of Bent against Villa I think or was it West Ham.... hmmm I am not sure now. However I am sure someone will know.
I can't see him being at the club next year as I am sure others will take him, probably in Spain. To be honest I wouldn't be sad to see him go as I don't think he has something special that all Top Prem strikers have. Whether that is amazing power, pace, dribbling or just the knack to just be there to get the goal in the last minute. He for me is average in everything, which isn't great. Even when Ade is playing crap he still has amazing power, Defoe always had his pace but when Soldado isn't on form he doesn't bring anything to the team..... sadly.

 

[SandroClegane]

I can't see him being at the club next year as I am sure others will take him, probably in Spain. To be honest I wouldn't be sad to see him go as I don't think he has something special that all Top Prem strikers have. Whether that is amazing power, pace, dribbling or just the knack to just be there to get the goal in the last minute. He for me is average in everything, which isn't great. Even when Ade is playing crap he still has amazing power, Defoe always had his pace but when Soldado isn't on form he doesn't bring anything to the team..... sadly.

Then you clearly aren't watching the games as he has made some excellent throughballs and assists and provided good link up play in his most recent games...

 

[TheChosenOne]

He hasn't though. He really, really hasn't.

He's had a few poor games - as has every player. But "Dreadful, utterly utterly dreadful"? How can you possibly reach that conclusion. Even if he had performed terribly, how can scoring at 1 goal every 2 games so far possibly be classed as "utterly utterly dreadful"?

He currently has a better goals-to-games ratio than Pav, who is fucking worshipped on here by some, despite the fact he never contributed anything but goals.

If half of Townsend's shots into row z were looped or lofted crosses there may have been a fair few more goals from the start of the season.

It's a team game.

 

[Bobbins]

Been reading some of the posts and I really can't blame people for the reaction towards Soldado, sorry. Yes he might lack confidence but you can't miss them kind of chances and expect people to be behind you. Not being funny, but though some are happy to see the guy leave Defoe would have never of missed that chance and it reminds me of Bent against Villa I think or was it West Ham.... hmmm I am not sure now. However I am sure someone will know.
I can't see him being at the club next year as I am sure others will take him, probably in Spain. To be honest I wouldn't be sad to see him go as I don't think he has something special that all Top Prem strikers have. Whether that is amazing power, pace, dribbling or just the knack to just be there to get the goal in the last minute. He for me is average in everything, which isn't great. Even when Ade is playing crap he still has amazing power, Defoe always had his pace but when Soldado isn't on form he doesn't bring anything to the team..... sadly.

Just... What. Just fucking hell.

Defoe's never had fucking pace. It's the biggest myth in football, just in front of the claim that he's a natural finisher. I mean Jesus Christ how does this stuff get perpetuated?

And how the hell does Soldado not bring anything to the team when he's not on form? He's in the worst form of his life and he was our best outfield player last night.

I really fucking despair I really do.