FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[yusrisafri]

I don't think you can have it both ways on Lamela and Soldado either. You seem to be excusing lamela, a 30 million signing, for his almost complete non contribution season, but are already calling the verdict on Soldado as settled. If anything, there's more reason to think Soldado will turn it around to look more like the 26 million signing he is than Lamela. But the truth is, Mr. Pink has it right; until we're at least half way into next season, it's unlikely that a proper judgement can be made on these guys, unless they are sold for a big loss before then. There plenty of time for these guys to not become the new bentleys.

Where in any of my posts did I ever mention that lamela was not a flop? We are talking about soldado here. Not a single word is mentioned about lamela. So how do you come up with a conclusion That I am excusing lamela?

 

[yusrisafri]

If you think he's a problem what about the 30 million spent on the next Darren Anderton? At least Soldado turns up and plays in the odd game or three.

Theyre both problems. Lamela's weakness does not give an excuse that soldado is worth the money.

On the plus side of lamela though, he is only 21, although we can still question why we paid so much for someone so young who was good at roma but not world class. To me, 30mil is world class

 

[bigspurs]

If you think he's a problem what about the 30 million spent on the next Darren Anderton? At least Soldado turns up and plays in the odd game or three.

The money we got for Bale was ridiculous. So one way of looking at it is that we sold Bale for £56m more than he was worth, therefore gaining a bunch of free money to have a little gamble with. For a laugh we took a punt on Lamela and Soldado, but it didn't work out. Bad luck I guess, but we paid over the odds cause we were spending free money! What else would we do with it all?!

I know it's stupid, but this analogy makes me feel better about the whole situation. What makes me feel even better about it is the fact that it's not even my money! Ha, in your face Levy!!

 

[dudu]

We definitely overpaid for Soldado. He can have all the flicks and good link play in the world, but if you continue missing clearcut chances week in week out and scoring only 3 times in open play the entire season, youre not worth rm26mil.

Even if some will defend him by saying townsend didn't feed him or he didnt get much service, we paid 26mil for him FFS. At that price you would expect him to be able to MAKE his own chances! He wasn't bought for that kind of game you say? His 26mil was foro the goal poacher instincts you say? Then FFS score those clearcut chances!!

You see there is absolutely no way you can defend him, whichever angle you look at it from.

I personally have a little more patience. He has shown quality on the ball enough for us to see his worth beyond putting the ball in the back of the net.

You are right, he needs to sort his head out but the only thing thats going to do that at this stage is game time and finally getting that illusive goal.

The guy has had a rough year. Personal/Family issues on top of moving to a new country and playing for a while in a team and position that seemed to be setup in a way that was not using his skill set. 6 months after arriving here he has another new manager, another striker to contend with who turns gold everything he touches and i am are he feels the weight of the price tag on his head as heavily as you do.

The guy is a human being and if looking objectively at the circumstances, its not a far reach to see why he may be a little caught up in his own head.

Im not defending him as such..... i obviously think he should be putting those chances away as i do the ones against Hull a couple of weeks back and so on as far back as we can go. Its up to him to sort his head out, no one can do it for him.

 

[Huddlestone22]

Did I really just see a comment comparing Darren Anderton and Lamela? Fucking hell...

 

[Kendall]

I can think of three games where he's had decent chances set up for him, and he's failed to convert them. All three of those games came after numerous matches where he was played in a position completely unsuited for him.

I couldn't give a shit if he cost 50m. If he's not played in the position he's been successful in, it's hardly going to be his fault if he struggles. Now he's finally in a set-up that suits his game, his confidence turns out to have been shot to pieces.

He's a great striker that has been utilised in an incredibly poor fashion. The whole situation reminds me of the way Liverpool misused Keane. Would anyone say that Keane became a shit striker overnight?

3 games where he's had decent chances? Even if that were true, it highlights his inability to make chances for himself or force the issue at all. We've all seen how Adebayor has scored goals after starting the move higher up the pitch. I just want Soldado to DO SOMETHING. Worse than Pav at present.

 

[Kendall]

He was shit last season... scored 4 goals in the league all season or something.

Nope, utilised poorly by a poor manager and spent most of his time out wide or supporting a more and more central Bale from the flanks. Still worked harder for the team than Soldado, still scored more in the league from open play than Soldado. Wasn't 'shit'.

 

[Dazza86]

I actually thought Soldado's build up play was one of the only positives about our display. Some of those touches and bursts forward created dangerous attacks and if we had better players around him last night, we would have punished Dnipro.

However, I think he constantly wants to finish something given to him on a plate and I hate the "he's had no service" argument. Van Persie, Aguero, Suarez - they can all take the ball and create something for themselves. Even a dangerous looking shot after a nifty bit of solo movement would make us all feel better about Soldado.

I think he is capable and with some confidence maybe he'll want to take a few players and get a shot off. However, if it isn't just a confidence issue and we've actually bought the second coming of Darren Bent (simple pass back, turn and make a run no one can pass to), then we've definitely got a problem.

 

[CowInAComa]

watching Spurs play away in the europa on ITV4 are truly the lowest point of being a Spurs fan. And there are lots of low points about being a Spurs fan.

Just something we have to grin and bear, not really fussed about the result or performance, we will fuck them over next week.

3-0 at least.

 

[kungfugrip]

But he is our first signing at 26mil that has had a disappointing first season. Youre talking about Bale? He was 10mil. You're talking about rebrov? He never had a good 2nd season. Postiga? Ditto rebrov. Who else?

We made a mistake, whichever angle you look at it from

Bale started really well for us in his first season.....and then got injured. Plus, he was only 17 when we signed him....not even old enough to vote!

 

[CowInAComa]

I actually thought Soldado's build up play was one of the only positives about our display. Some of those touches and bursts forward created dangerous attacks and if we had better players around him last night, we would have punished Dnipro.

However, I think he constantly wants to finish something given to him on a plate and I hate the "he's had no service" argument. Van Persie, Aguero, Suarez - they can all take the ball and create something for themselves. Even a dangerous looking shot after a nifty bit of solo movement would make us all feel better about Soldado.

I think he is capable and with some confidence maybe he'll want to take a few players and get a shot off. However, if it isn't just a confidence issue and we've actually bought the second coming of Darren Bent (simple pass back, turn and make a run no one can pass to), then we've definitely got a problem.

Soldado is a player. Just hope he catches fire before we lose patience.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I only hope this game does not cost us all three points on Sunday. To be honest after the qualifying round the Europa games have been poor. The one game I saw live was lifted only by Lamela who was a class above anything else that day but generally we seem to struggle to know how to play these games

 

[Gassin's finest]

Terrible game, terrible circumstances... just glad we got out. Hope all our traveling fans are home safe and sound. I'm 100% confident we'll beat them at the Lane.

Roll on Sunday and proper football.

 

[Kirito]

Even if some will defend him by saying townsend didn't feed him or he didnt get much service, we paid 26mil for him FFS. At that price you would expect him to be able to MAKE his own chances! He wasn't bought for that kind of game you say? His 26mil was foro the goal poacher instincts you say? Then FFS score those clearcut chances!!

You see there is absolutely no way you can defend him, whichever angle you look at it from.

But he is our first signing at 26mil that has had a disappointing first season. Youre talking about Bale? He was 10mil. You're talking about rebrov? He never had a good 2nd season. Postiga? Ditto rebrov. Who else?

We made a mistake, whichever angle you look at it from

I've written him off as a 26mil signing. See my initial post. Hes just not worth 26mil whichever angle you look at it. As kendall said, you cant pay 26mil for a 28year old seasoned international professional and afford him a woeful season.

WHICHEVER ANGLE YOU LOOK AT IT

 

[dondo]

Did I really just see a comment comparing Darren Anderton and Lamela? Fucking hell...

Anderton was a good player for us lamela thus far has not been, i hope that was your point?

 

[Eileen Drewery]

Save it all, there are eleven men in all white who should do it.

Soldado would get washing up liquid on the draining board instead of the sink.

 

[postigol]

So what you are saying is their players are completely fresh after a mid season break and have still had at least 6 weeks preparation time whereas we are in the tail end of a season and only just getting our players back from long term injuries.

There's always more than one way to look at a situation and I think we were beat by a very well drilled and prepared team.

Agree there can be different perspectives to every situation. When a team is in the off season, or just returned from it, they would normally be expected to be rusty - you see alot of teams in the PL having slow starts to their season. Even the commentators were expecting Dnipro to wilt due to lack of recent competitive action.

But yes, as you pointed out, they were very well drilled and prepared. Ramos' hallmark was a heavy emphasis on fitness and regimentation, and this was shown by them during the game and offset this expected rustiness.

Having had the night to absorb the game, I'd now say:

1. I'd have played the same lineup Sherwood did.
2. A 1-0 defeat in the away leg is not too bad anyway, and we should still expect to triumph.

 

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[SEANSPURS1975]

Was never convinced on Soldado when we signed him. Has the odd nice touch or pass, but hasn't got nowhere near enough. I've now gone to anger that we spent £26m, TWENTYSIX MILLION POUNDS on this player. Adebayor is far and away our number one striker and if we can get £15m back for him in the summer we'd have done well.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I've written him off as a 26mil signing. See my initial post. Hes just not worth 26mil whichever angle you look at it. As kendall said, you cant pay 26mil for a 28year old seasoned international professional and afford him a woeful season.

He is worth £26million because that's what we paid for him. If you remember correctly there were very few other proven high level goalscorers available in market. So that dictated his value.

Writing him off already is pretty stupid though. I'm sure if he has a good end of season and picks up next season you won't be so quick to come on here and admit you were wrong about him.