Everton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[fortworthspur]

Im done being frustrated. Other than Chelsea, we have a pretty tame fixture list left, and we are still in third. Some of the players are going to have to dig deeper to get the wins, but its totally do-able.

 

[mpickard2087]

What else can you do but laugh when you're creating more chances than the opposition and losing? If we were being outplayed, then fair enough, but we're just on a shitty run.

The venom added to posts recently doesn't sit well at all with me, usual suspects coming across like a bunch of spoilt brats when the road gets a bit rocky. Top 4 would still be a massive achievement and don't give me all this 3rd best bullshit, spending power and wage power is key and we're a bit lacking there.

The season is far from over, chin up for fuck's sake. Thank fuck most of you weren't online in the early 90's.

I think we can certainly do something about it, lets talk about defence. Does it not annoy you when you repeatedly see the same (pretty basic) mistakes being made? Eg. Thats City, Utd, Arsenal and now Everton in recent weeks where one pass (and not even a good pass) has bypassed the whole midfield and allowed the opposition acres of space in front of a defence sat on the edge of its own penalty area and we have been punished. Off the ball we are all over the place, even Stevenage set up better than us defensively in the game the other night FFS.

We dont need to spend money to improve this, just some hours spent on the training ground. Its clearly not happening though because we see the same errors committed every week. As i have said, you cant just rely on natural talent, you have to put the hard work in too. IMO this is where we fall down compared to other teams.

 

[Hitch]

Im done being frustrated. Other than Chelsea, we have a pretty tame fixture list left, and we are still in third. Some of the players are going to have to dig deeper to get the wins, but its totally do-able.

Sunderland away is a tougher game than Chelsea right now imo. Otherwise, yes I agree, we have a pretty decent run of fixtures. However the problem is momentum. It's all against us atm .This time last season we had what looked a great run of fixtures on paper but we achieved about 1 win from 13 out of them. Confidence is everything.

I believe that there is something fundamentally wrong here. I don't think that Harry knows how to pace a squad across a season. There are too many players looking fatigued who shouldn't be. We dropped off massively this time last year and the same is happening again. Previously it was blamed on our Champions League excursions and now it is being blamed on England managerial speculation. I am quite certain that the truth of the matter lies on the training ground.

 

[Kendall]

What else can you do but laugh when you're creating more chances than the opposition and losing? If we were being outplayed, then fair enough, but we're just on a shitty run.

The venom added to posts recently doesn't sit well at all with me, usual suspects coming across like a bunch of spoilt brats when the road gets a bit rocky. Top 4 would still be a massive achievement and don't give me all this 3rd best bullshit, spending power and wage power is key and we're a bit lacking there.

The season is far from over, chin up for fuck's sake. Thank fuck most of you weren't online in the early 90's.

You have to look at the type of chances created though. Bar Saha off the post, we didn't really trouble them. A few speculative edge of the box shots, where you really have to do much better to beat Howard, some frankly laughable skied shots (I can't wait for us to let Kaboul have another free kick) and some tame dribblers that went wide. We didn't slice them open nearly enough and their defence looked far from solid when we ran at them.

 

[EastLondonYid]

You have to look at the type of chances created though. Bar Saha off the post, we didn't really trouble them. A few speculative edge of the box shots, where you really have to do much better to beat Howard, some frankly laughable skied shots (I can't wait for us to let Kaboul have another free kick) and some tame dribblers that went wide. We didn't slice them open nearly enough and their defence looked far from solid when we ran at them.

This..^

The last thing you want to do is go 1 down at Goodison, they parked the bus in the 2nd half and lets face it we were not good enough to score.
First half when everton wanted to play is when we got our tactics completely wrong..AGAIN!

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I was sitting with the Everton supporters in the main stand. I thought our support was top draw (again). The "He's Gareth Bale and he plays on the left" chant was fantastic. Never seen the crowd so frustrated that they, as one, tried to correct an obvious tactical coach up.

Starting to lose confidence in what Harry is doing tbh.

 

[EastLondonYid]

I was sitting with the Everton supporters in the main stand. I thought our support was top draw (again). The "He's Gareth Bale and he plays on the left" chant was fantastic. Never seen the crowd so frustrated that they, as one, tried to correct an obvious tactical coach up.

Starting to lose confidence in what Harry is doing tbh.

A little worrying, Sandro and Parker both playing only works when you play 4-2-3-1 with luka ahead of them and vdv and bale either side of Luka, otherwise you get a CM with absolutely no creativity.
The only other time i would even consider Parker and Sandro in a 4-4-2 would be with Bale on the left and Azza on the right.

 

[sunnydelight786]

Freidel, Walker, King, Kaboul, Assou-Ekotto; Modric, Parker, Sandro, Bale; Defoe, Adebayor

4-4-2 again spells trouble to me.....

Here we go again then with Harry`s 4-4-2....looks like this could be another 3pts dropped..:bang:

4-4-2 with Bale on the right? Not too happy with that. We need Bale to go back to what he's best at and running at the right backs.

Modric on the left wont get on the ball enough either. We really need him central.

Hopefully it still works and we get the much needed win. But I think we may rely on subs today.

so bale out of position, modric out of position and vdv not playing.

sigh me a river

If us idiots can see it, well that's what we are if we dare question HR, then why the bloody hell can't the coaches and manager...? All these posts were made minutes after the team news broke. 6 months hardwork to gain 10 point lead is undone in weeks, only Spurs could ever do that!!!

 

[Dinghy]

yes it is arrogance u are displaying. what fucking right have we when we go and play like we have for at least last 3 matches! this run for me has been due and coming for a while and whatever u want to put it when the pressure is on big teams come to the fore. chelsea and arsenal will do what they have to do and get wins needed and only luck will see us 4th imo.

i mentined nothing about harry. he is best manager we had since bill nick imo but whilst some blame must be on his door with wrong team selection the fault is soley for me on the attitude of players.. where is the desire, the hunger, the passion ? the resilience to make this season a fantastic one.. to challenege the likes of city and united , to not give up no matter what...all the spurs players do is fucking talk about we still in this we can win league bollix. have such great players loll.. dont make me laugh. they are legends , chancers and alot of them are wasters imo who think they are better than what they really are.

we even have managers and players patronsing the shite out of us after beating us and its getting beyond joke.

in a months time i can see us 5th no probs at all and once that comes we will only fade away as usual. history has shown us what we are .

im hoping luck will get us 4th but we will see.

I think you don't even know what arrogance means!

Have I anywhere said that we have a divine right to be where we are? Have I anywhere said that we just have to turn up and expect the oppo to roll over?

I'm just saying that you need to take a reality check. We ain't in 13th as usual at this time of the season. We are in 3rd. We are not guaranteed to finish outside the top 4. Far from it. We may finish outside the top 4 but it is far from certain. The bookies all still have us as favourites and they are no mugs.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

I can't read through the whole thread, but was I the only one getting really pissed off at how the ref let them leave their foot in after nearly every challenge?

One of our players would pass it off and try to make a run only to be checked by an Everton player. Plus booking Defoe for a pull off the ball while the Everton player was not booked. Small things but if definately disrupted any flow.

 

[Paolo10]

We were all over them for most of the game, hit the woodwork twice, they've won 3 on the bounce at home now including us and Chelsea so they're not that bad a side AND WE WERE BETTER THAN THEM.

You lot can fucking drone on about 4-4-2 this and tactics that, but we dominated that game and lost, it happens and as frustrating as it is, all your fucking crying won't solve shit. Hit the post twice against a team that got a goal against the run of play and clung on to it for dear life, a very physical, robust team who are already very hard to break down...at home.

All these 'problems' all you eagle eyed fucking budding Mourinho's can see can all be easily remedied through the training pitch? I'm glad you all fucking know so much about the game. Piss off.

And why do you think Bale played on the right, against Baines? Maybe because when P. Neville is right back he kicks the complete shite out of him. Maybe because Baines leaves more space as he goes forwards a lot.

Why do you think we played Parker and Sandro in the middle against Fellaini, Cahill and Osman? Work it fucking out.

 

[OllieSpurs1882]

No getting round the fact that Redknapp got it wrong today, poor team selection, what happened to 4-5-1? Sandro & Parker dosent work in the middle... Playing Gareth Bale on the right wing was crazy, so was playing Modric on the left. our two most influential players out of position. I hate saying this but we miss Lennon aswell, other then Bale we havent got much pace at all. Get VDV back in, drop Defoe as he's only effective from then bench and get back to basics!

 

[Chimbo!]

I cannot believe the negativity. We are still 3rd and people are attacking players.

1. Whatever you say about Defoe you have to remember that he is our top goal scorer this season with 15.

2. We dominant in both the United and Everton games with more possession and shots. Yes, stats do not win you matches but they show you what a team did during the match. A side that has more possession has more time to create chances for themselves and less time for the opposition to score. A side which creates more goal attempts than the opposition is overall more likely to win for obvious reasons. Now, neither of these stats will guarantee you a win but if are consistently top in these stats in every game you play then over a season you will do better than most. And in our recent games we have been better on these stats then our opponents. Therefore, over a season if we keep that up we will win more often then we don't. That's why we were winning before this patch of form and it is why will be winning again shortly.

 

[srups34]

Someone should post Harry this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNFsy48WrFo

 

[stemark44]

We were all over them for most of the game, hit the woodwork twice, they've won 3 on the bounce at home now including us and Chelsea so they're not that bad a side AND WE WERE BETTER THAN THEM.

You lot can fucking drone on about 4-4-2 this and tactics that, but we dominated that game and lost, it happens and as frustrating as it is, all your fucking crying won't solve shit. Hit the post twice against a team that got a goal against the run of play and clung on to it for dear life, a very physical, robust team who are already very hard to break down...at home.

All these 'problems' all you eagle eyed fucking budding Mourinho's can see can all be easily remedied through the training pitch? I'm glad you all fucking know so much about the game. Piss off.

And why do you think Bale played on the right, against Baines? Maybe because when P. Neville is right back he kicks the complete shite out of him. Maybe because Baines leaves more space as he goes forwards a lot.

Why do you think we played Parker and Sandro in the middle against Fellaini, Cahill and Osman? Work it fucking out.

How can you argue tactics if you are not an eagle-eyed fucking budding Mourinho yourself?

 

[Paolo10]

You're all holding that up as some sort of tactical beacon. There were obvious understandable reasons behind the team selection you're all neglecting and on the balance of play they were probably right. Only player that really let us down was Adebayor for me, he was complete turd.

To be honest I expected the usual claptrap, you're one of them fwiw. I see Dan has materialized now we're on a losing run too. Business as usual.

 

[Chimbo!]

I was sitting with the Everton supporters in the main stand. I thought our support was top draw (again). The "He's Gareth Bale and he plays on the left" chant was fantastic. Never seen the crowd so frustrated that they, as one, tried to correct an obvious tactical coach up.

Starting to lose confidence in what Harry is doing tbh.

I don't think playing Bale on the right was a tactical cock-up. Phil Neville has always had the better of Bale and even put him in the treatment room before. So deploying Bale against the attacking Baines not only created more opportunities for Bale to do damage but also pinned Baines back making it harder for Everton to attack with numbers.

I think the tactic was justified in hindsight as we were dominant for large periods and restricted Everton to few chances. As a coach that is all your tactics can do. They can't dictate whether a chance is taken or not but they can influence how many chances there are and we had enough to win that game.

If Saha had put away that chance at the death the reaction would be very different. After all, Adebayor was struggling and we looked a better team when Saha replaced him. No one has mentioned that Redknapp made a good substitution or the fact that we controlled a game away from hom. How many sides can do that?

 

[ajspurs]

I don't think playing Bale on the right was a tactical cock-up. Phil Neville has always had the better of Bale and even put him in the treatment room before. So deploying Bale against the attacking Baines not only created more opportunities for Bale to do damage but also pinned Baines back making it harder for Everton to attack with numbers.

I think the tactic was justified in hindsight as we were dominant for large periods and restricted Everton to few chances. As a coach that is all your tactics can do. They can't dictate whether a chance is taken or not but they can influence how many chances there are and we had enough to win that game.

If Saha had put away that chance at the death the reaction would be very different. After all, Adebayor was struggling and we looked a better team when Saha replaced him. No one has mentioned that Redknapp made a good substitution or the fact that we controlled a game away from hom. How many sides can do that?

I think it was. What I will say is that the initial decision to have him on the right was fairly understandable, for reasons like the ones you pointed out so in that respect I agree with you but it should have been changed, if not at half time at least around the 60 minute mark. We got next to nothing from Bale being on the right all game. How he stayed in that position for almost the whole 90 minutes I will never know.

You make a very good point in your last paragraph though and I was thinking the same, we did brilliantly to dominate Everton at their home ground. It was the same with United at WHL last week but like I said in another thread, I don't think our attacking/creative players (Modric, VDV, Adebayor, Bale) are stepping up enough. We scored one goal (just a good individual effort also) in 2 matches that we have dominated, there's definitely something wrong about that.

 

[Wirral Spurs]

I don't think playing Bale on the right was a tactical cock-up. Phil Neville has always had the better of Bale and even put him in the treatment room before. So deploying Bale against the attacking Baines not only created more opportunities for Bale to do damage but also pinned Baines back making it harder for Everton to attack with numbers.

I think the tactic was justified in hindsight as we were dominant for large periods and restricted Everton to few chances. As a coach that is all your tactics can do. They can't dictate whether a chance is taken or not but they can influence how many chances there are and we had enough to win that game.

If Saha had put away that chance at the death the reaction would be very different. After all, Adebayor was struggling and we looked a better team when Saha replaced him. No one has mentioned that Redknapp made a good substitution or the fact that we controlled a game away from hom. How many sides can do that?

The 1500 or so fans at the game didn't agree with your view. Me included!

 

[The Apprentice]

We were all over them for most of the game, hit the woodwork twice, they've won 3 on the bounce at home now including us and Chelsea so they're not that bad a side AND WE WERE BETTER THAN THEM.

You lot can fucking drone on about 4-4-2 this and tactics that, but we dominated that game and lost, it happens and as frustrating as it is, all your fucking crying won't solve shit. Hit the post twice against a team that got a goal against the run of play and clung on to it for dear life, a very physical, robust team who are already very hard to break down...at home.

All these 'problems' all you eagle eyed fucking budding Mourinho's can see can all be easily remedied through the training pitch? I'm glad you all fucking know so much about the game. Piss off.

And why do you think Bale played on the right, against Baines? Maybe because when P. Neville is right back he kicks the complete shite out of him. Maybe because Baines leaves more space as he goes forwards a lot.

Why do you think we played Parker and Sandro in the middle against Fellaini, Cahill and Osman? Work it fucking out.

I take it you didn't watch the first half? Or does that not count as part of the game?

We were awful first half, certainly not on top, and most definitely weren't "all over them" as you put it.

Wake up.