ENIC...

[HodisGawd]

This idea that it is ENIC fault we haven't won trophies is nonsense. No-one, or nothing short of nobbling referees or financial doping (like Man City) can guarantee trophies. All you can do is bring the club up to the level when it can compete, and then whatever happens on the pitch happens and hopefully if you keep plugging away and trying to do the right things you win something.

ENIC have done that, we have been there or thereabouts for a long time. The reason we haven't won anything is a) some pretty bad luck (because let's face it, trophies like the FA are a lot about luck), b) it just hasn't happened, c) all the self-defeating pressure you f*ckers put on the club.

What do people think will happen if we get taken over by new moneybags owners? Do you think we'll go on a massive spending spree like City? And then get banned from Europe because we've broken the rules? What is the point in that? ENIC know the club and have built it into what it is now - a far, far bigger, better club than it was when they took over.

Nothing will positive will change if we get new owners. We just have to be competitive at the top level - which we have until our recent hiccups - and then be patient because it will happen. I'm not entirely sure I get this insane lust for silverware anyway, will winning the FA or the League cup change anything? No. Not a jot.

What people are really advocating when they say they hope we get new owners is that they hope we start basically cheating like Man City. Sorry, but I will never agree with that.

 

[bubble07]

12 years ago today we won our last trophy

 

[Deleted member 27995]

12 years ago today we won our last trophy

#JoseOut ??

 

[Shadydan]

Top four is Enic's priority. Levy and Pochettino were both on record saying that. I think Mourinho even said something along the lines of different aspirations.

Why does top four and trophies have to be an either/or argument and why have we hired Jose if our priority isn't to win?

 

[TOLBINY]

Absolute fantasy. At a worst case, materials from Europe may have cost an extra 5% although the building indices (which take into account labour and material costs) do not support such an increase. Rectifying the problems with the Fire Control system will have cost far more than any Brexit affect. In the panic to get the stadium completed, I suspect that they completely lost control of the budget.

Easy to blame Brexit, but I think the problems were far closer to home.

It was largely due to the evolution of the stadium and all the features / concepts / facilities that ENIC kept adding / improving as technology and future demands progressed. Plans were first announced in 2008 and planning application submitted in 2009, just think how far entertainment venues (no jokes please!) and facilities have evolved in that time.

 

[LeParisien]

The Man City brigade out in force itt

 

[Gb160]

Why does top four and trophies have to be an either/or argument and why have we hired Jose if our priority isn't to win?

Smokescreen obviously.

 

[shelfboy68]

12 years ago today we won our last trophy

 

[tony0379]

12 years ago today we won our last trophy

And I was so pissed by the time Zokora scored, I don't even remember

 

[Gb160]

And I was so pissed by the time Zokora scored, I don't even remember

Considering Zokora didn't score you must've been pissed!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

ENIC have done that, we have been there or thereabouts for a long time. The reason we haven't won anything is a) some pretty bad luck (because let's face it, trophies like the FA are a lot about luck), b) it just hasn't happened, c) all the self-defeating pressure you f*ckers put on the club.

Can I replace C, which, lets face it, is something you dreamed up with "Negligence in the transfer market". Now that may or may not have made a difference, we'll never know, but I'm confident it's more valid that the pressure a bunch of spunkbubbles on the internet might exert

 

[Shadydan]

Smokescreen obviously.

Knew he should have gone for Eddie Howe

 

[Lighty64]

To put it in context in less time the Chav's have won Five Premier League titles, five FA Cups, three League Cups and two European trophies.

as you say lets put it into context since ENIC took over Chelsea have spent 1,863,880,000.00 Abramovic took over when in serious debt, but with a decent squad that didn't do too bad in the late 90's - FA Cup 1997 & 2000, League Cup 1998, UEFA Cup winners cup 1998, and they were involved in the top 6 since 96/97 and only once finished lower. they never had to suffer FFP in his 8yrs.

this was 1 person buying the club to get rid of his dirty money. when ENIC took over we were an average midtable club and taken over by a company, not an individual that it didn't matter if his money was lost because at the moment I believe Chelsea are in debt to 1b to him

edit: that amount spent doesn't even take into consideration the wages they have paid

 

[Graysonti]

There is so much to look forward to moving forward.

When I compare the club to when I had my ST in the 1990s it’s chalk and cheese. Totally different clubs.

I think we will spend decent cash in the summer and honestly, things can change fast and quickly in our favour. Keep the faith.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This idea that it is ENIC fault we haven't won trophies is nonsense. No-one, or nothing short of nobbling referees or financial doping (like Man City) can guarantee trophies. All you can do is bring the club up to the level when it can compete, and then whatever happens on the pitch happens and hopefully if you keep plugging away and trying to do the right things you win something.

ENIC have done that, we have been there or thereabouts for a long time. The reason we haven't won anything is a) some pretty bad luck (because let's face it, trophies like the FA are a lot about luck), b) it just hasn't happened, c) all the self-defeating pressure you f*ckers put on the club.

What do people think will happen if we get taken over by new moneybags owners? Do you think we'll go on a massive spending spree like City? And then get banned from Europe because we've broken the rules? What is the point in that? ENIC know the club and have built it into what it is now - a far, far bigger, better club than it was when they took over.

Nothing will positive will change if we get new owners. We just have to be competitive at the top level - which we have until our recent hiccups - and then be patient because it will happen. I'm not entirely sure I get this insane lust for silverware anyway, will winning the FA or the League cup change anything? No. Not a jot.

What people are really advocating when they say they hope we get new owners is that they hope we start basically cheating like Man City. Sorry, but I will never agree with that.

It cant be nonsense as they ultimately make the decisions. They’ve done well off the pitch no doubting about that and on the pitch we’ve steadily improved but some of the managerial appointments,DofF’s and the way the squad has been managed at time and the timing and manner that transfers get done have all at times been embarrassing and negligent and have almost definitely hamstrung our on the pitch results and therefore chances of winning trophies.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

It cant be nonsense as they ultimately make the decisions. They’ve done well off the pitch no doubting about that and on the pitch we’ve steadily improved but some of the managerial appointments,DofF’s and the way the squad has been managed at time and the timing and manner that transfers get done have all at times been embarrassing and negligent and have almost definitely hamstrung our on the pitch results and therefore chances of winning trophies.

Apart from the semi final losses and final losses in that time as well? Let's not forget them.

 

[coys200]

MNF last night did a greatest ever English teams league with a points system. There were 12 teams our Double team came in at 8th with 12pts. I actually worked out Pochettino team 16/17- 18/19 ( it was done over 3 years) were 5 games away from getting 11pts and being 9th greatest ever team with a PL title CL and FA cup.5 results over 3 years is so close but yet so far. But can you actually blame ENIC for losing 5 games of football ?

 

[yido_number1]

as you say lets put it into context since ENIC took over Chelsea have spent 1,863,880,000.00 Abramovic took over when in serious debt, but with a decent squad that didn't do too bad in the late 90's - FA Cup 1997 & 2000, League Cup 1998, UEFA Cup winners cup 1998, and they were involved in the top 6 since 96/97 and only once finished lower. they never had to suffer FFP in his 8yrs.

this was 1 person buying the club to get rid of his dirty money. when ENIC took over we were an average midtable club and taken over by a company, not an individual that it didn't matter if his money was lost because at the moment I believe Chelsea are in debt to 1b to him

edit: that amount spent doesn't even take into consideration the wages they have paid

I'd rather we had Abramovich during that period of time than Enic. You were asking for context and we could have had them or Mansouri or the Qatari's but we ended up with a company that want to turn a profit. Lewis is stacked but chose not to improve us as he could have. Chelsea have also invested to make FFP work and have an army of youth players out on loan or breaking into the first team. They've been relatively frugal in recent years breaking even on transfers most years and have still invested heavily in their squad and won things.

It is a simple answer that Chelsea, City, Liverpool and probably Leicester have more ambitious owners that actually want to win things than us. Your answer even suggests you know that Enic aren't here to win things they are here to run us an investment.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

MNF last night did a greatest ever English teams league with a points system. There were 12 teams our Double team came in at 8th with 12pts. I actually worked out Pochettino team 16/17- 18/19 ( it was done over 3 years) were 5 games away from getting 11pts and being 9th greatest ever team with a PL title CL and FA cup.5 results over 3 years is so close but yet so far. But can you actually blame ENIC for losing 5 games of football ?

Yeah, course.

 

[yido_number1]

This idea that it is ENIC fault we haven't won trophies is nonsense. No-one, or nothing short of nobbling referees or financial doping (like Man City) can guarantee trophies. All you can do is bring the club up to the level when it can compete, and then whatever happens on the pitch happens and hopefully if you keep plugging away and trying to do the right things you win something.

ENIC have done that, we have been there or thereabouts for a long time. The reason we haven't won anything is a) some pretty bad luck (because let's face it, trophies like the FA are a lot about luck), b) it just hasn't happened, c) all the self-defeating pressure you f*ckers put on the club.

What do people think will happen if we get taken over by new moneybags owners? Do you think we'll go on a massive spending spree like City? And then get banned from Europe because we've broken the rules? What is the point in that? ENIC know the club and have built it into what it is now - a far, far bigger, better club than it was when they took over.

Nothing will positive will change if we get new owners. We just have to be competitive at the top level - which we have until our recent hiccups - and then be patient because it will happen. I'm not entirely sure I get this insane lust for silverware anyway, will winning the FA or the League cup change anything? No. Not a jot.

What people are really advocating when they say they hope we get new owners is that they hope we start basically cheating like Man City. Sorry, but I will never agree with that.

If it's not ENIC's fault we haven't won trophies is it not because of Mansouri or Abramovich that Man City and Chelsea have won a lot of trophies? I'd go as far as to say Liverpool's owners have been directly responsible for them returning to win the league after 30 years or whatever it's been. Without Leicester's owner they wouldn't have won the league.