ENIC...

[nailsy]

Maybe if we got our act together and got things done now? Like other big clubs have done in the past, there's a Euro's this summer, it's always tough when there's an international tournament..

How many big deals get done like that each year? One? Two? It's very much the exception.

 

[Dillspur]

Chavs got Pulisic last year, Ziyech for the summer, Pool got the Japanese chap in for January and Keita the year before he signed. Those are just off the top of my head.

Since we've already had ITK telling us targets are intrested, why not get them signed up?

 

[RichieS]

Chavs got Pulisic last year, Ziyech for the summer, Pool got the Japanese chap in for January and Keita the year before he signed. Those are just off the top of my head.

Since we've already had ITK telling us targets are intrested, why not get them signed up?

And we got Modrić and Dele. But there must be reasons such occurrences are few and far between.

 

[Lighty64]

pls read what I posted. and again and again. Digest before you reply.

well due to all your anti ENIC and Levy over the years when reading below comes over as HE not us, so perhaps wording it better wouldn't have got my response.

No, he just sees the value of the club increase tremendously. He’s making money like no tomorrow every single day.

 

[Lighty64]

We need a takeover.

as mentioned in other replies to you Hank, the hope of someone taking over and paying what ENIC want, and then taking into consideration that the days of owners taking over like Chelsea and City and spending silly money have gone, especially when there are clubs out there that could be bought for a lot less and by the time they made them a big club it would still cost them a billion less.

lets see what we buy in the summer, we have already spent way more this last 2 windows than before and we haven't even had a full season in the new stadium. Levy brought in Mourinho and knows he is nothing like Poch a manager that can build a team from the routes, and he also knows JM's moods if not backed. a bad moody JM will set us back even further.

yes even before Kane got injured we knew we needed another striker and had we been in the position we are today with Poch still the boss we might actually have seen Parrott given a chance. the last thing the club wanted to do in January was to have to actually buy a striker that might not have worked/settled especially if those that where named were not targets we wanted compared to what we might go for in the summer.

 

[Lighty64]

Yes as some posters have alluded to previously our players struggle to perform after an international tournament for some reason.

1. we might have a max 7 players involved, more likely only 6 (Lloris, Davies, Toby, Ndombele, Bergwijn, and Kane)
2. they don't have a playoff for 3rd and 4th place
3. hopefully the club won't make those that come home early attend the ICC this time
4. As we have already shown we can spend more than before the stadium was complete, then after having a full season in our new home we will at least see a continuation of spending more than before when our hands were a little more tied

 

[shelfboy68]

1. we might have a max 7 players involved, more likely only 6 (Lloris, Davies, Toby, Ndombele, Bergwijn, and Kane)
2. they don't have a playoff for 3rd and 4th place
3. hopefully the club won't make those that come home early attend the ICC this time
4. As we have already shown we can spend more than before the stadium was complete, then after having a full season in our new home we will at least see a continuation of spending more than before when our hands were a little more tied

Lighty whether there is a tournament or not it doesn't excuse the levels of poor performances that we are witnessing, we constantly get out pressed and fought because the intensity and desire is missing.
As for spending the lack of European football next season will impact that as it doesn't take much for that line to get rolled out.

 

[Metalhead]

well due to all your anti ENIC and Levy over the years when reading below comes over as HE not us, so perhaps wording it better wouldn't have got my response.

Ha ha never mind Lighty, you can always balance out the anti-DL stuff.

 

[shelfboy68]

as mentioned in other replies to you Hank, the hope of someone taking over and paying what ENIC want, and then taking into consideration that the days of owners taking over like Chelsea and City and spending silly money have gone, especially when there are clubs out there that could be bought for a lot less and by the time they made them a big club it would still cost them a billion less.

lets see what we buy in the summer, we have already spent way more this last 2 windows than before and we haven't even had a full season in the new stadium. Levy brought in Mourinho and knows he is nothing like Poch a manager that can build a team from the routes, and he also knows JM's moods if not backed. a bad moody JM will set us back even further.

yes even before Kane got injured we knew we needed another striker and had we been in the position we are today with Poch still the boss we might actually have seen Parrott given a chance. the last thing the club wanted to do in January was to have to actually buy a striker that might not have worked/settled especially if those that where named were not targets we wanted compared to what we might go for in the summer.

Why does everyone keep fucking banging on about parrot a 19 year old unproven talent who people want to place the burden of suddenly scoring 20 goals and getting us top four.
Jose has said that he isn't ready so what more do people need to know he sees him everyday so if he is not ready then accept that and move on, the real problems are in our recruitment or lack of it in previous windows that is the real crime.

 

[dontcallme]

Why does everyone keep fucking banging on about parrot a 19 year old unproven talent who people want to place the burden of suddenly scoring 20 goals and getting us top four.
Jose has said that he isn't ready so what more do people need to know he sees him everyday so if he is not ready then accept that and move on, the real problems are in our recruitment or lack of it in previous windows that is the real crime.

I agree.

A lot of fans seem to think the best way to develop young players is simply giving them minutes on the pitch. But there is a reason why pretty much no manager does this.

Playing in a high profile game years before you are up to level doesn’t benefit the player or the team.

 

[phil]

this is so wrong, I don't know how to find previous or repeat what's been proved but when they show the accounts per season they show what the chairman gets, the money goes to THFC and ENIC will get their money once they sell. THFC doesn't buy Joe his yachts or paintings he earns more from all his other businesses.

we haven't even been in the stadium for a full season yet, our cost spiraled due to Brexit, and our net spend this season is 111m.

I've noticed that you've expressed this view before but it makes no sense whatsoever. The various building cost indices (which take account of labour costs and materials) do not show any significant increase since the Brexit referendum; interest rates are still at historic lows; and the exchange rate is pretty much where it was in 2016. So how have our costs spiralled due to Brexit?

 

[Lighty64]

Lighty whether there is a tournament or not it doesn't excuse the levels of poor performances that we are witnessing, we constantly get out pressed and fought because the intensity and desire is missing.
As for spending the lack of European football next season will impact that as it doesn't take much for that line to get rolled out.

well it doesn't matter anyway because your 1st words approaching every window is we won't spend.

I agree with it not being the reason this season, but the post I 1st quoted you on was your post towards what some expect with the Euro's tournament ahead. it's the people that don't understand the effect it had on us last season our results where crap the final half of the season with numerous injuries to our WC players, but even though we made a semi final and a final our football, in general, was crap all season

 

[shelfboy68]

well it doesn't matter anyway because your 1st words approaching every window is we won't spend.

I agree with it not being the reason this season, but the post I 1st quoted you on was your post towards what some expect with the Euro's tournament ahead. it's the people that don't understand the effect it had on us last season our results where crap the final half of the season with numerous injuries to our WC players, but even though we made a semi final and a final our football, in general, was crap all season

But lighty mate it didn't stop city or indeed Liverpool with their high intensity game they both had player's at the WC, just because our players went 1/2 games further does not excuse the garbage served up and the drop off we had from February plus again we should of purchased and failed miserably.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I've noticed that you've expressed this view before but it makes no sense whatsoever. The various building cost indices (which take account of labour costs and materials) do not show any significant increase since the Brexit referendum; interest rates are still at historic lows; and the exchange rate is pretty much where it was in 2016. So how have our costs spiralled due to Brexit?

Pound/Euro exchange rate is still not back to pre referendum levels , some parts of the stadium including the pitch came from Euro land so there is your increase in costs and Donna M Cullen said costs had increased so is she not telling the truth. It's not just the Euro that matters the pound also fell against the dollar so if we are borrowing from US banks and investors has that cost us more money ?

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[Lighty64]

Ha ha never mind Lighty, you can always balance out the anti-DL stuff.

if you had told me pre ENIC that in the next 20years we would play in 6 (should have been 7) CL campaigns including a Final and a spell of a lot of seasons just playing Europa I'd of called you crazy.

the amount of people that can't take it in that we had a mountain to climb just to catch Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal who dominated the top 3 spots, to then have Chelsea buy everything up, and then City, and expect us to of matched and competed with them when having a stadium that only held just over 36k and not be able to match those 5 clubs.

 

[Lighty64]

But lighty mate it didn't stop city or indeed Liverpool with their high intensity game they both had player's at the WC, just because our players went 1/2 games further does not excuse the garbage served up and the drop off we had from February plus again we should of purchased and failed miserably.

see this is where you need to do some homework because only 1 of Liverpool's players was involved and playing up to the final weekend plus they played roughly 6-8 less fixtures due to going out of both domestic cups in the 1st round. I also believe their average age is a fair bit lower and they hardly suffered injuries, never had any major players going off to play silly tournaments and a good few not playing for their national team.

I don't know whether you have noticed Man C have spent silly money since day 1 of their new owners and not had to build a 1b project because it was already in-place but have been able to buy 1.8b in to the team since we started building our stadium, or did you expect us to be able to match those figures

 

[Lighty64]

I've noticed that you've expressed this view before but it makes no sense whatsoever. The various building cost indices (which take account of labour costs and materials) do not show any significant increase since the Brexit referendum; interest rates are still at historic lows; and the exchange rate is pretty much where it was in 2016. So how have our costs spiralled due to Brexit?

the original build of the stadium was predicted at around £450m (memory from the stadium thread), apparently, materials from abroad double our cost once Brexit was voted in, not helped by the pound v euro

 

[shelfboy68]

see this is where you need to do some homework because only 1 of Liverpool's players was involved and playing up to the final weekend plus they played roughly 6-8 less fixtures due to going out of both domestic cups in the 1st round. I also believe their average age is a fair bit lower and they hardly suffered injuries, never had any major players going off to play silly tournaments and a good few not playing for their national team.

I don't know whether you have noticed Man C have spent silly money since day 1 of their new owners and not had to build a 1b project because it was already in-place but have been able to buy 1.8b in to the team since we started building our stadium, or did you expect us to be able to match those figures

Mate I can actually hear you grasping at straws here because 1/2 Extra games at that tournament was not the reason for the drop off

 

[Metalhead]

if you had told me pre ENIC that in the next 20years we would play in 6 (should have been 7) CL campaigns including a Final and a spell of a lot of seasons just playing Europa I'd of called you crazy.

the amount of people that can't take it in that we had a mountain to climb just to catch Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal who dominated the top 3 spots, to then have Chelsea buy everything up, and then City, and expect us to of matched and competed with them when having a stadium that only held just over 36k and not be able to match those 5 clubs.

Oh yeah, overall they've done a great job. That doesn't mean that they are immune to criticism though. I would definitely defend them from undue criticism but in certain situations it's definitely valid.

 

[chrissivad]

Mate I can actually hear you grasping at straws here because 1/2 Extra games at that tournament was not the reason for the drop off

Noone will knew the answer to this, but we know Poch had a tough training and fitness programme.

Was this altered for players who went to play International football?

I don't think the extra game or few would be the main reason for the drop off, but combined with our training it could be why players were/are burnt out.