Defoe's 'injury'

[Kendall]

Defoe may have scored 8 goals over two games, but he has failed to score in only 7 starts over all competitions. Keane has failed to score in 11 starts, and a number of sub appearences.

 

[Legend10]

We're seriously not comparing the effectiveness of these two?

As was said earlier, the mistake we made was in selling Bent, like him or loathe him it can't be denied that he is an effective striker who knows where the net is.

 

[DC_Boy]

We're seriously not comparing the effectiveness of these two?

As was said earlier, the mistake we made was in selling Bent, like him or loathe him it can't be denied that he is an effective striker who knows where the net is.

well said again Legend

i have to remind people at this juncture that i said i'd rather we sold keane than bent during the summer

and certain 'senior members' of this board called me bonkers

i haven't received any apologies and don't expect to, but am happily smiling that it sure wasn't me who was bonkers

now it may be it was right to sell Bent it may be it wasn't, but to call my vision of what was best'bonkers' was not only bad manners, it showed and continues to show a lack of footballing insight

 

[KeaneIsKeane]

Bent doesn't want to be 3rd choice. He doesn't warrant first choice. What's the problem? Darren Bent is not a player I want playing for our team. You can call me what you will, but I wouldn't want him back for free except to sell him for a profit. That doesn't mean I support Keane either, I think he's past it, but I really really don't rate Darren Bent.

 

[C0YS]

we all know defoe is better now. but Keane is a good 3rd choice. My point was we are not gonna get any better. Watch this space

 

[TopSpurMan]

We're seriously not comparing the effectiveness of these two?

As was said earlier, the mistake we made was in selling Bent, like him or loathe him it can't be denied that he is an effective striker who knows where the net is.

bent was top scorer at charlton and top league scorer when they went down - he is clearly a good player but not for us - personally the biggest problem for me was he is a completely one dimensional player - he does not have the deft touches - he can't seem to hold up the ball or play off others than can - the thing i liked about berbs was that he was good to watch - defoe since coming back from portsmouth also passes sometimes to make a goal rather than try to score himself - keane for all his faults has more play making that bent and as much scoring, same for pav an intelligent player who will do well when he leaves us.

but bent? arseman said we paid about 12m to much for him, sadly he was probably right

 

[SpurSince57]

bent was top scorer at charlton and top league scorer when they went down - he is clearly a good player but not for us - personally the biggest problem for me was he is a completely one dimensional player - he does not have the deft touches - he can't seem to hold up the ball or play off others than can - the thing i liked about berbs was that he was good to watch - defoe since coming back from portsmouth also passes sometimes to make a goal rather than try to score himself - keane for all his faults has more play making that bent and as much scoring, same for pav an intelligent player who will do well when he leaves us.

but bent? arseman said we paid about 12m to much for him, sadly he was probably right

This would be the same Pav who created six scoring chances in almost 1500 minutes of league football last season? Bent, a player not exactly renowned for his creativity, managed 22 in just over 2000. And it's Bent's fault that Charlton's defence was shite and that they had a manager who wouldn't have known if you were up him with an armful of chairs? :roll:

Unfortunately, it's very difficult to see how we could have kept both JD and Bent happy, and as JD's by some way the better all-round footballer as well as Harry's favourite son (I doubt on current form there will be too many goals between them come the end of the season) it was obvious who had to go, and we'll probably make our money back, more or less. Blackpool and Scarboro' might meet our asking price for Pav, but I doubt it.

Arseman thinks we should only have paid £2m for Bent, does he? Sorry, but who the fuck is Arseman? And did his parents use his head as a doorstop when he was a toddler?

 

[mattstev2000]

well said again Legend

i have to remind people at this juncture that i said i'd rather we sold keane than bent during the summer

and certain 'senior members' of this board called me bonkers

i haven't received any apologies and don't expect to, but am happily smiling that it sure wasn't me who was bonkers

now it may be it was right to sell Bent it may be it wasn't, but to call my vision of what was best'bonkers' was not only bad manners, it showed and continues to show a lack of footballing insight

If you honestly think that Bent would be better for us than Keane and that if Keane was given the same level of trust and support that Bent has at Sunderland that he wouldn't out perform him and offer more to the team and the club then you are bonkers.

Even with Keano's admittedly not top class form this season he is higher up the Actim Index (you know the one that measures overall effectiveness in games) than Bent (and I wouldn't mind betting that goals to minutes he isn't too far behind either). All of this considering the extra work he does for the team when compared to a player like Bent. Just imagine what he could do if our lousy supporters got off his back and gave him some support.

Also, I would like to point out this is said by someone who rated Bent and thought he was harshly treated by our fans. He would have made an ideal 3rd/4th choice striker.

 

[mattstev2000]

Defoe may have scored 8 goals over two games, but he has failed to score in only 7 starts over all competitions. Keane has failed to score in 11 starts, and a number of sub appearences.

Great, a player apparently at the top of his form and with the full support of the manager and the fans managed to score in 4 more starts than a player generally derided by our fans and getting less and less game time.

You're right, Defoe is a footballing god and Keane should be dumped on the scrap heap pronto.

Personally I think it might be somewhere in the middle for both of them. Defoe is outperforming himself a bit and Keane is in a bit of a rut (although I'd still rather pay to watch Keane than Defoe). I'd like to see them both get fair support and hopefully we would end up with two top class strikers both firing on all cylinders.

 

[Dougal]

well said again Legend

i have to remind people at this juncture that i said i'd rather we sold keane than bent during the summer

and certain 'senior members' of this board called me bonkers

i haven't received any apologies and don't expect to, but am happily smiling that it sure wasn't me who was bonkers

now it may be it was right to sell Bent it may be it wasn't, but to call my vision of what was best'bonkers' was not only bad manners, it showed and continues to show a lack of footballing insight

That Redknapp fella, what's he like, eh? Hasn't a clue. Bonkers you might say

 

[Dougal]

Great, a player apparently at the top of his form and with the full support of the manager and the fans managed to score in 4 more starts than a player generally derided by our fans and getting less and less game time.

You're right, Defoe is a footballing god and Keane should be dumped on the scrap heap pronto.

Personally I think it might be somewhere in the middle for both of them. Defoe is outperforming himself a bit and Keane is in a bit of a rut (although I'd still rather pay to watch Keane than Defoe). I'd like to see them both get fair support and hopefully we would end up with two top class strikers both firing on all cylinders.

You can't support both Defoe and Keane at the same time! You're Bonkers! :duh:

 

[Coyboy]

Another fake 'I told you so' thread. How novel. The fact is Bent and Keane were in far different situations- not to mention one being a far better player and influence on and off the pitch. But the most important point was Bent wanted to go mainly because he was being played sparingly and that was because either he could not strike up a partnership with any other strikers or we didn't play to his style, or a bit of both.

I am not sure what Bent would have given us this season that we don't have- a few extra goals but at what expense? To come on here half way through a season in which we are sitting fourth, to which Keane has contributed albeit not to his standards or potential, and say I told you so factually and that I am not bonkers and demand apologies is laughable really.

 

[ealingspur]

Im beginning to bore of what used to be my favourite site online. EVERY single thread is turning into a keane debate. It's so frustrating. And nothing knew is ever said, its just the same recycled bullcrap again and again.

 

[Dougal]

Im beginning to bore of what used to be my favourite site online. EVERY single thread is turning into a keane debate. It's so frustrating. And nothing knew is ever said, its just the same recycled bullcrap again and again.

You're right. So I'll ask again. Anything new on Defoe and his injury?

 

[donny1013]

It was always Bent or Defoe, Keano doesn't come into that equation in my mind. I couldn't have seen Bent producing a flick to Lennon which JD produced in the build up to the first goal against the Spammers for instance. Bent will always get goals but JD as others have said is all round a better footballer, especially since he has come back from Pompey.

 

[DiscoD1882]

well said again Legend

i have to remind people at this juncture that i said i'd rather we sold keane than bent during the summer

and certain 'senior members' of this board called me bonkers

i haven't received any apologies and don't expect to, but am happily smiling that it sure wasn't me who was bonkers

now it may be it was right to sell Bent it may be it wasn't, but to call my vision of what was best'bonkers' was not only bad manners, it showed and continues to show a lack of footballing insight

Bent is good in a team that is built around him. He is clearly the best player at Sunderland. He wasn't at spurs so that argument is fundamentally flawed. We weren't ever going to build a team to suit Bents style of play therefore he was ineffective. And I challenge you to remember a game where you thought Bent was MOM? I cant think of one.

 

[Dougal]

Bent is good in a team that is built around him. He is clearly the best player at Sunderland. He wasn't at spurs so that argument is fundamentally flawed. We weren't ever going to build a team to suit Bents style of play therefore he was ineffective. And I challenge you to remember a game where you thought Bent was MOM? I cant think of one.

Dinamo Zagreb

Defoe injury? Anyone?

*waves padlock*

 

[walworthyid]

Is he even bloody injured? We won't know until the weekly team news thing on thursday!

 

[Dougal]

Well thanks for the placeholder anyway DC Boy but it seems to have come to nothing but the usual Keafoe debate which I'm informed can be found elsewhere :up:

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