Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

[spursfan77]

Think we should close this thread and move on. Wish him well in the future and thanks for all the good times and that's it.

But then if he wins the league at his next club where is everyone going to be able to post “look we were wrong to sack him” whilst simultaneously forgetting about the last two years of his reign?

 

[HildoSpur]

But then if he wins the league at his next club where is everyone going to be able to post “look we were wrong to sack him” whilst simultaneously forgetting about the last two years of his reign?

Oh don't worry there will be a new thread for that no doubt!

 

[sausage]

I was looking for something else but found this thread by a southampton fan about Poch on his time there. A lot of people put it down to sour grapes by the southampton fan at the time.

But reading it now with hindsight it is quite interesting.

An interesting insight in to Pochettino courtesy of a Saints fan

From Christian Spur On COYS:- This seems a very balanced article from the Saints site the Ugly inside(great name). For me it highlights some very interesting observations about being a good a coach as compared to a manager. I suppose bearing in mind he has only been managing teams since 2009 he...

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Is it like chain mail? Do we need to nominate someone to copy and paste it onto the forum of the next club and see if it rings true there also?

Spookily accurate about some of the misconceptions.

 

[Dougal]

You need to get a selfie with him.

I’m good where I am thanks

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

But then if he wins the league at his next club where is everyone going to be able to post “look we were wrong to sack him” whilst simultaneously forgetting about the last two years of his reign?

Why would anyone want to forget about the last two years of his reign.

Our run to the Champions league final and finishing in the top 4 that season isn't a season I'll ever be forgetting.

 

[spursfan77]

Why would anyone want to forget about the last two years of his reign.

Our run to the Champions league final and finishing in the top 4 that season isn't a season I'll ever be forgetting.

Because we lost it with a limp dick performance, being in that stadium was soul destroying for me. I'm only just over it a year later.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Think we should close this thread and move on. Wish him well in the future and thanks for all the good times and that's it.

Or those who want to continue posting in this thread can do and those who aren't interested can post in one of the many other threads that are available and ignore this one?

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Because we lost it with a limp dick performance, being in that stadium was soul destroying for me. I'm only just over it a year later.

I hate how we lost, I hated our performance, I hate that we lost to Pool too.

But I had some of my biggest highs supporting Spurs during our run to the final.

 

[dtxspurs]

And that is fair comment. However to offer no list of alternatives to the individuals he wanted, even after he knew he wasn't getting his targets was ridiculously stubborn.

If it was a case that he was doing it in some way to prove a point it sure as hell backfired.

Moving this into the more relevant thread. And here's why I struggle to buy that this was Poch's fault... So that Summer he was only willing to give one name for spots he wanted, but then this Summer he was seemingly on board with Lo Celso, Ceballos, Fernandes & Coutinho for attacking mids? So he goes from only De Jong in midfield (pretty sure dragon said he wanted Kovacic too, we also seemed to go for Ndombele, I also remember parisunited with a lot of info on Rabiot) to now there were 4 #10 types? And the same guy who wouldn't accept any other signings all the sudden wanted Jack Clarke?

Then the flip side is that did everyone forget that we also didn't sell anyone the entire Summer? Was Poch also at fault for not being able to move on Sissoko (ended up being a good thing but he was awful at that point), Wanyama, Nkoudou, Janssen, etc? Levy has egg all over his face for multiple reasons for that debacle IMO.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Moving this into the more relevant thread. And here's why I struggle to buy that this was Poch's fault... So that Summer he was only willing to give one name for spots he wanted, but then this Summer he was seemingly on board with Lo Celso, Ceballos, Fernandes & Coutinho for attacking mids? So he goes from only De Jong in midfield (pretty sure dragon said he wanted Kovacic too, we also seemed to go for Ndombele, I also remember parisunited with a lot of info on Rabiot) to now there were 4 #10 types? And the same guy who wouldn't accept any other signings all the sudden wanted Jack Clarke?

Then the flip side is that did everyone forget that we also didn't sell anyone the entire Summer? Was Poch also at fault for not being able to move on Sissoko (ended up being a good thing but he was awful at that point), Wanyama, Nkoudou, Janssen, etc? Levy has egg all over his face for multiple reasons for that debacle IMO.

The bloke doesn't get a free pass, bloody hell, Poch doesn't have the sun shining out his backside 24/7 move on for goodness sake.

Edit: removed the words 'fucking' and 'fucks' - apologies.

 

[ClintEastwould]

Why would anyone want to forget about the last two years of his reign.

Our run to the Champions league final and finishing in the top 4 that season isn't a season I'll ever be forgetting.

That’s the kind of talk that irks me. People want to rewrite history as if we were absolute shit for whatever amount of time they want to come up with to justify their animosity for Poch. Two years? Give me a break.

Let me spell it out one final time and then I’ll finally shut up (probably not). We were shit from February 2019- November 2019. A total of 10 months. 10 months out of a 5 and a half year spell. The rest of that time? We were phenomenal and yes including much of his first season.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

That’s the kind of talk that irks me. People want to rewrite history as if we were absolute shit for whatever amount of time they want to come up with to justify their animosity for Poch. Two years? Give me a break.

Let me spell it out one final time and then I’ll finally shut up (probably not). We were shit from February 2019- November 2019. A total of 10 months. 10 months out of a 5 and a half year spell. The rest of that time? We were phenomenal and yes including much of his first season.

It irks me too.

There are valid reasons to why it was right to let Poch go, it's so unnecessary to make stuff up.

I agree with you, I really don't understand the animosity towards Poch,

 

[sausage]

Moving this into the more relevant thread. And here's why I struggle to buy that this was Poch's fault... So that Summer he was only willing to give one name for spots he wanted, but then this Summer he was seemingly on board with Lo Celso, Ceballos, Fernandes & Coutinho for attacking mids? So he goes from only De Jong in midfield (pretty sure dragon said he wanted Kovacic too, we also seemed to go for Ndombele, I also remember parisunited with a lot of info on Rabiot) to now there were 4 #10 types? And the same guy who wouldn't accept any other signings all the sudden wanted Jack Clarke?

Then the flip side is that did everyone forget that we also didn't sell anyone the entire Summer? Was Poch also at fault for not being able to move on Sissoko (ended up being a good thing but he was awful at that point), Wanyama, Nkoudou, Janssen, etc? Levy has egg all over his face for multiple reasons for that debacle IMO.

To elaborate on a couple of bits:
Jack Clarke wasn't a first team signing - he was (I believe) a Pleat-based buy like Dele, but there is the Bielsa connection there. Either way, wasn't comparable, and was always doing to be a development-type player imo.
Was Poch at fault for not moving on players? Yes, partially. Most of the players have stated that they wanted to stay and fight for a place because Poch didn't tell them he wanted them gone. Trippier said Poch obviously didn't want him but wouldn't tell him. Rose said he wouldn't leave until Poch said for him to. For a lot of the players, we're talking about moving from a top-4, CL PL team to, for the most part, lower/inferior leagues - you're not going to do if unless that door is closed. It would seem (based on player's testaments) that, unlike his first season, Poch wasn't willing to do that for some reason.

That's what I think I (and maybe others) get annoyed about - there's overwhelming evidence that Poch played his part in the problems, but there are posters who act like he was an innocent bystander.

 

[rossdapep]

That’s the kind of talk that irks me. People want to rewrite history as if we were absolute shit for whatever amount of time they want to come up with to justify their animosity for Poch. Two years? Give me a break.

Let me spell it out one final time and then I’ll finally shut up (probably not). We were shit from February 2019- November 2019. A total of 10 months. 10 months out of a 5 and a half year spell. The rest of that time? We were phenomenal and yes including much of his first season.

I was going to agree with you to an extent but we certainly weren't phenomenal for much of his first season. I've gone into great detail about this before but we were largely average or poor with a few very good performances (Arsenal Chelsea). But we were beaten by the likes of Stoke, were hammered by Chelsea United and Liverpool. The performances were very dull but it's fine cause he was laying the foundations.

I don't think most people are trying to say the last 2 years were dreadful either and as you say it was that last 10 months where everything came to a halt. However since the end of 2018 season we could see little signs of regression. I think we started the peak a year earlier so it's natural to see little signs.

But the game that me worried was the Fulham 3-1 win. In previous seasons we'd walked through a team like that. The first 30 mins or so were fine and we should have been 2-up but then Fulham started to get on top and were exposing our defence and taking control of the middle, Poch had to bring Dembele on and we immediately regained control and went on to win.

Our next 3 games were the 3-0 United win, which we got lucky in, the 2-1 defeat to Liverpool who battered us, and the limp 2-1 defeat to Watford. Something had clearly changed and we were starting to see these kinds of performances more regularly even when winning. Took us until Christmas before we found a bit of groove, beating Chelsea Bournemouth and Everton but that was about it.

To Poch's credit I think that battling 'never-say-die' attitude that he'd instilled in the team actually got us through the first few months of that season and the CL run. Unfortunately even that spirit deserted the team by this season. The signs were there though.

 

[Japhet]

Moving this into the more relevant thread. And here's why I struggle to buy that this was Poch's fault... So that Summer he was only willing to give one name for spots he wanted, but then this Summer he was seemingly on board with Lo Celso, Ceballos, Fernandes & Coutinho for attacking mids? So he goes from only De Jong in midfield (pretty sure dragon said he wanted Kovacic too, we also seemed to go for Ndombele, I also remember parisunited with a lot of info on Rabiot) to now there were 4 #10 types? And the same guy who wouldn't accept any other signings all the sudden wanted Jack Clarke?

Then the flip side is that did everyone forget that we also didn't sell anyone the entire Summer? Was Poch also at fault for not being able to move on Sissoko (ended up being a good thing but he was awful at that point), Wanyama, Nkoudou, Janssen, etc? Levy has egg all over his face for multiple reasons for that debacle IMO.

The way I see it, all of the ITK comes through particular channels and all of it will have some sort of spin on it as a result. I don't think anybody has actually had a chat with Poch where he said that he'd only accept XYZ signings and it smacks a bit to me of people covering their arses after things went bad. I'm not saying Poch didn't have his faults but you don't just completely lose interest in a project the way he did without some serious stuff going on behind the scenes. My guess is that he over achieved year after year and toed the company line, and then lost his rag when promises were broken (or something like that).

 

[$hoguN]

Why is this thread still going? Jesus lads move on already

 

[sunnydelight786]

It irks me too.

There are valid reasons to why it was right to let Poch go, it's so unnecessary to make stuff up.

I agree with you, I really don't understand the animosity towards Poch,

Because we've got absolute fuckwits as fans these days. Just have a look across social media to see our fans embarrassing themselves with shit like joint badges, wanking themselves senseless as they bend over for JM & his 2004 style of reactive football, 'look at me' shock jockeys with Instagram/twitter accounts, etc... These mugs for 5 years had someone representing them, our club, with class and dignity whilst allowing them to dream yet that's all being rubbished now as he was a waster, bottler, etc...

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

Because we've got absolute fuckwits as fans these days. Just have a look across social media to see our fans embarrassing themselves with shit like joint badges, wanking themselves senseless as they bend over for JM & his 2004 style of reactive football, 'look at me' shock jockeys with Instagram/twitter accounts, etc... These mugs for 5 years had someone representing them, our club, with class and dignity whilst allowing them to dream yet that's all being rubbished now as he was a waster, bottler, etc...

You realise that it would be incredibly easy to write a nigh on identical criticism of those who remain devoted to Poch and who refuse to give Jose a chance? You are flip sides of the same coin.

I love Poch. I'm so grateful for what he did for our club. But he's gone. He had to go. He had lost the players - even Harry Kane. And as much as I love Poch, I love Spurs first and foremost.

I don't love Jose yet. But I'm prepared to give him every chance. Because I think that that is what is best for Spurs. End of.

 

[rossdapep]

Because we've got absolute fuckwits as fans these days. Just have a look across social media to see our fans embarrassing themselves with shit like joint badges, wanking themselves senseless as they bend over for JM & his 2004 style of reactive football, 'look at me' shock jockeys with Instagram/twitter accounts, etc... These mugs for 5 years had someone representing them, our club, with class and dignity whilst allowing them to dream yet that's all being rubbished now as he was a waster, bottler, etc...

You mean like 'fans' who come in here and tell everyone that they were wrong about Jose and give it the big old "told you so" and then choose to insult fellow fans in the process by calling them "excuse monkeys" and "Mourinho loving idiots".

The way I see it, the only time you rear your head is when we have a poor performance and you feel like attacking other fans for just trying to get behind the team.

Thay makes you less of a fan than any of those "mugs" you criticise.

I suggest you grow up.

 

[sunnydelight786]

You mean like 'fans' who come in here and tell everyone that they were wrong about Jose and give it the big old "told you so" and then choose to insult fellow fans in the process by calling them "excuse monkeys" and "Mourinho loving idiots".

The way I see it, the only time you rear your head is when we have a poor performance and you feel like attacking other fans for just trying to get behind the team.

Thay makes you less of a fan than any of those "mugs" you criticise.

I suggest you grow up.

Unlike some of the mugs who follow us I'm not a hypocrite. EVERY SINGLE ONE of us were laughing at him when it blew up for him at both CFC & MUFC, we pretty much all criticised his brand of Jurassic park football and I don't recall anyone of you pining for him then. The fact plenty of these hypocrites have now bent over for him with no lube and hang of this twats every word is embarrassing. Have some shame. It's George Graham all over again.

Yes MP had to go but you replace him with someone who fits the style/profile of our club, not a has been who's finished at the elite level (CL) of the game. Oh well each to their own...