Club Statement 19 Nov 19 - Pochettino leaves

[spids]

Agree with the first sentence but the second is definitely wrong. The Athletic article the other week detailed the changes he made at half time. Came from Rose and some analytics dude.

Maybe you're right. I have not watched the game back as those heady times are still too painful to watch after the disappointment after it all came crashing down. My main problem with Poch was not distancing himself from other jobs, and saying he'd leave if we won the CL final the week before the game. I think that was the final nail in the coffin for some of the players. He performed miracles on a stupidly small budget for 4 years, and the new stadium understandably, and yet unfortunately, killed his project on the pitch. He has been our best manager in my lifetime (I am nearly 50) and it is so painful how 2019 played out.

 

[spursfan77]

Maybe you're right. I have not watched the game back as those heady times are still too painful to watch after the disappointment after it all came crashing down. My main problem with Poch was not distancing himself from other jobs, and saying he'd leave if we won the CL final the week before the game. I think that was the final nail in the coffin for some of the players. He performed miracles on a stupidly small budget for 4 years, and the new stadium understandably, and yet unfortunately, killed his project on the pitch. He has been our best manager in my lifetime (I am nearly 50) and it is so painful how 2019 played out.

100% agree. I’m still not over the final and I don’t think I will be until I’m in a stadium watching us pick up a trophy, I can’t see any other tonic for it for me personally. I was just pointing out what I’d read. Here’s the bit about half time:

Tottenham create chances in the first half but go in at half-time trailing 2-0 on the night, 3-0 on aggregate.
Ross Johnston: “I got to the dressing room just before the manager arrived and set up in a private coaches’ office. Then the coaches came in and left the players alone for five minutes to vent their frustrations — one of Mauricio’s coaching staff would always have an ear to that and see what’s going on and report that back to the manager. But we had five or six minutes to try to be as efficient as possible to look at the gameplan, look at what was working, look at what had changed.”
Hannah Sheridan: “I can remember the players coming in really angry, and then H (Kane) walked in and said, ‘it’s not good enough and we have to turn it around. But it’s not over.’
“He gave some tips on what we’d seen tactically but was saying, ‘this isn’t impossible. We need to keep going.’ And I’m sure Liverpool was referenced in there somewhere. ‘Look what they did last night, it’s not over, we’ve still got 45 minutes’.”
Danny Rose: “The manager very rarely lost his temper at half-time, he was always very calm. He was very calm again that evening. He just said the next goal is going to be crucial. I did feel as if it was maybe a bit too far for us. He was right though and we carried on playing.
“He showed us clips of what we could do to exploit Ajax. And he explained how we could do it on a tactics board. He was very, very calm. We, as players, said what we should be doing better on the pitch. A few people spoke. We all had our opinions and we managed to put that right in the second half.”
Ross Johnston: “There weren’t too many corrections to the system needed. Ajax, like us, wanted the ball. So when we had the ball they would come to press high, so our transfer from the first phase of play when we played through pressure to the second phase needed to be a bit stronger to take advantage of our good play in the first phase.”
Nicolas Tagliafico: “I felt that we were playing very well and that we were going to get to the final. But there were also some worries because at half-time we knew that they needed three goals and they would come at us with everything. And the big problem we had was that we were not good at closing games out. We had never gone into a game thinking: ‘OK, we’re going to defend.’ At Ajax it doesn’t feel natural for us to defend.
“So I think we were wrong in that. We should have been a bit more calm and that, with the changes they made… well afterwards we all know how the result ended up for us.”
Ross Johnston: “The biggest thing for us was the injury to (Victor) Wanyama and the introduction of (Fernando) Llorente, and how that impacted the rest of the team. The idea was that we would move Christian Eriksen a bit deeper to make that connection between the first and second phase a bit better.
“And then to accommodate Fernando as a focal point, it allowed us to go a little bit more direct with our passes sometimes to skip the pressure. And it freed up Lucas to attack from deeper positions and make runs from deeper where he wasn’t a reference for their defenders. They were little, subtle changes to reinforce the message that we were happy with the performance. Ultimately the message was: keep going, keep believing. Forget the score: it’s 0-0.”
Dele Alli: “We were told to believe and stick to the game plan as much as we could. Everyone remained calm and tried to stay as positive as possible. We knew we had to give everything we possibly could in those 45 minutes.”
Nicolas Tagliafico: “We said we wanted to keep going the same way, we were happier, there was more euphoria, more joy, but we wanted to try to focus. ‘There are 45 minutes to go, keep going, keep going, keep going, we have control of the game, keep doing what we’ve done from the start, try to score from the start.’ That’s what we were thinking.”
Hannah Sheridan: “Lucas had one of the last words before we went out. Lucas is always very positive, always believes anything is possible so he was definitely saying things. Patting them on the back, saying: ‘Chin up guys, we’ve got this.’ He never gives up until it’s over — as it showed — he’s a brilliant part of that team.”
Danny Rose: “The Ajax players thought that the game was finished. If you look at half-time, we came out when the referee told us to come out. And Ajax made us wait for a good two or three minutes. It was arrogance. They thought the game was put to bed.
“We proved them wrong. We knew they were going to blow up and they needed to score that third goal on the night to put us away. I remember them hitting the post in the second half. They weren’t able to do that. There’s nothing wrong with arrogance, by the way, but when it doesn’t work, and it goes against you, it makes you look a bit silly.”

 

[spursfan77]

At what point did his ego explode or was he always like it?

https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/poc...ino believes no team,a half from January 2013


Football in England changed with that Southampton team of 2013-14, there is no other team that had as big an impact in changing the mindset,” Pochettino told Guillem Balague's Talking Football show on La Liga TV.

“We arrived at a club with a president like Nicola Cortese who gave us what we needed to create something unique in English football. Our ability to adapt to a completely different environment was incredible.

"We found a group of players who wanted to learn from the experiences we brought from Spanish football, and with the quality to play a different style of football to that which everyone in English football was used to. Young players started to appear, and people started to trust in young players, also in the English national team."

 

[Gassin's finest]

Don't see how that's an"exploding" ego. What he did at Southampton was indeed remarkable. He turned a bunch of league one players into internationals.

 

[dtxspurs]

At what point did his ego explode or was he always like it?

https://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/pochettino-southampton-changed-english-football/1wyokres3ywzm14svum03cr1ht#:~:text=Pochettino claims his Southampton team 'changed,football' by trusting young players&text=Mauricio Pochettino believes no team,a half from January 2013


Football in England changed with that Southampton team of 2013-14, there is no other team that had as big an impact in changing the mindset,” Pochettino told Guillem Balague's Talking Football show on La Liga TV.

“We arrived at a club with a president like Nicola Cortese who gave us what we needed to create something unique in English football. Our ability to adapt to a completely different environment was incredible.

"We found a group of players who wanted to learn from the experiences we brought from Spanish football, and with the quality to play a different style of football to that which everyone in English football was used to. Young players started to appear, and people started to trust in young players, also in the English national team."

He's out pumping himself up for jobs.

 

[Dougal]

Poch

Mourinho

 

[spursfan77]

Poch

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Mourinho

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Are we going to get this level of creativity every time we don't win?

Might be something to look forward to!

 

[teok]

Mmmm toilet burgers. ?

 

[Gb160]

Poch

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Mourinho

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The Poch one is over compensating for an absence of silverware lol.

 

[spurs mental]

Why is this thread still a thing? Jesus christ hes gone. Move on.

 

[Dougal]

Mmmm toilet burgers. ?

Best description yet.

 

[Dougal]

Why is this thread still a thing? Jesus christ hes gone. Move on.

No.

 

[Dougal]

Are we going to get this level of creativity every time we don't win?

Might be something to look forward to!

I’ll do my best. Who knows, if we win a few games playing good football I might stop.

 

[al_pacino]

I’ll do my best. Who knows, if we win a few games playing good football I might stop.

I agree but are we pretending that was happening for the last year of Pochs reign?

The team peaked at Wembley and we are seeing the painful rebuild, if it even happens. Poch wasn't right and clearly had enough, we'll see if Mourinho can be the one to do it.

 

[Dougal]

I agree but are we pretending that was happening for the last year of Pochs reign?

The team peaked at Wembley and we are seeing the painful rebuild, if it even happens. Poch wasn't right and clearly had enough, we'll see if Mourinho can be the one to do it.

The painful rebuild was what Poch had planned? He had enough because Levy didn’t green light it. And then a stale team crumbled as predicted and Levy resigned for being incompetent. Or something, can’t remember the details.

 

[Metalhead]

The painful rebuild was what Poch had planned? He had enough because Levy didn’t green light it. And then a stale team crumbled as predicted and Levy resigned for being incompetent. Or something, can’t remember the details.

I totally agree but that comes back to the question of whether we want attractive football and all the plaudits but are happy with around 8th/7th place and Europa league or let's say more, ahem 'pragmatic ' football that can get us the odd trophy and top 4.

 

[Gb160]

I agree but are we pretending that was happening for the last year of Pochs reign?

Some fans are in still in complete denial mate, its quite sad really.

 

[Metalhead]

Some fans are in still in complete denial mate, its quite sad really.

I get it but realistically he's not coming back anytime soon and it's hard to imagine Levy giving up on the Jose project so soon.

 

[Dougal]

I totally agree but that comes back to the question of whether we want attractive football and all the plaudits but are happy with around 8th/7th place and Europa league or let's say more, ahem 'pragmatic ' football that can get us the odd trophy and top 4.

It’s not a black and white choice though, is it? Where’s the option for ‘pragmatic’ football and 7/8th place and Europa League football. Mourinho’s presence alone does not guarantee silverware. Especially for our club who perpetually struggle to get over the line as the missing jigsaw piece is never addressed in favour of replacing other pieces.

 

[Dougal]

Some fans are in still in complete denial mate, its quite sad really.

And some are walking around thinking all is well and we’re on track for trophies.