Match Threads Chelsea Vs Spurs

[Amo]

How can someone give expert opinions who have never played the game at that level

How blown will your mind be if I told you football managers have won titles without playing any football at that level? Would they also be unqualified to offer punditry on Sky?

 

[EighteenEightyTwo]

Seriously why was she there , she has not played at a level anywhere near the premier league , I thought to talk about premier league matches you at to at least played in them ,

Souness has never played in a Premier League match, do you have an issue with him being in the studio?

 

[JKendall13]

Wow, glad I didn't read this thread yesterday when I was still buzzing after the game, mostly just people complaining about the performance and I only read the post-game posts.

It's just very odd how fickle this forum is and really the performance is only a let down for some because so many in the run up were acting like we were going to rock up to Stamford Bridge and pummel them. Nonsense, this was properly competitive top six (five now?) matchup and we battled and dug out a point in the end. You're setting yourself up for disappointment if you really think games at the top end of the table aren't going to be scraps.

While the possession numbers weren't great, especially in the first half, it wasn't as one sided as some are trying to portray as evidenced by the xG. Chelsea had trouble converting its possession into anything tangible as we are quite difficult to break down. They scored from a set piece and when our formation was imbalanced after we made attacking subs to try to change the game.

Let's not forget, we were the ones that missed two chances one on one with the keeper. If Sess and Kane score those, this match looks much like the City and Liverpool performances we put in last season, which were rightly lauded. I mean genuinely do people expect us to show at the Bridge, Ethiad, and Anfield and go perfectly toe to toe with those sides? Getting points in away matches against the best in the league are massive net positives, much more important than the performance. If we play like this every week it is a concern. But as showed against Southampton last week and our second half of the season performance outside of Anfield and the Ethiad, we don't play like that every week.

For people complaining about the usual scapegoats, the new players are going to be introduced when Conte believes they are fit and ready. The cavalry is coming. If anything we've been a bit unlucky with Perisic, Bissouma, Richarlison, Lenglet having an array of issues that have kept them out, but it's also only game two and the window is also still open. The gap isn't going to be closed with City, Liverpool, and Chelsea immediately. They've had years under their managers, Conte has had 9 months. It's going to take more time to fully round into form, every undeserved point we can nick know will be massive as we get more comfortable with our new team and perform better. Especially since our schedule is very front loaded before the WC with trips to the Bridge, Ethiad, Emirates, Old Trafford, and London Stadium before a much more favorable run in.

 

[chrissivad]

Souness has never played in a Premier League match, do you have an issue with him being in the studio?

Yeah, most of the time, but for other reasons....

 

[sammyj]

She's played at a higher level than you or I. Football is XI v XI. She (and other ex female players) can give very good expert analysis. This view is unbelievably ignorant.

Oh well

 

[slartibartfast]

Souness won’t be on these games for much longer. He keeps going on about it being ‘a man’s game’ which it clearly isn’t anymore as there is a woman commentating right next to him. I will be quite glad he goes as I think he is rubbish. And generally ingrained anti-Spurs.

I noticed that. The only thing funnier than him saying in the first place with a female ex-player sat right next to him was he then did it again.
I dont have a problem withit and we all know what he meant but in this modern times where tou get lambasted for saying pretty much anything it was a dick move.

Am I ok to say Dick?

 

[Serpico]

Its being said chelsea will not play as well again this season. You could also add, no top side will play as bad against them.

Chelsea's brilliance was on the back of our poor play. When we had a couple of positive moments they were in fact as poor as us defending. We deserved the point. This is my take and im sticking to it.

 

[TheAmerican]

I hope Leeds shithouse them. If a single call goes against that squad they will implode

 

[Gerific]

I love how tough we’ve become under Conte, we’re going to annoy a lot of teams, Chelsea played at their best and got a point, we played at our worst and got a point.

 

[Bigdaddyguff]

Fucking loved that game the amount of times its happened to us the amount of times we've been by far the better team and came of the gallant loser 'same old spurs'.
under poch we were regularly the better team but they had the knack of finding that cutting edge or bullshit decision and we'd crumble.
All raving about how great Chelsea were ? Were they ? They just hogged the ball with 4 defenders and 6 in midfield ? koulibaly goal was amazing I almost clapped, but other than that we weren't really in any danger if sonny was on it I think we could have scored twice first half. They stifled us and suffocated us because they are genuinely scared of our attackers and they should be woooooo we are going to be awesome again and a genuine threat which we haven't been since poch, under poch I always felt we could beat anyone and so did they, but under conte and Don fab I think we will.
Apologies for grammar and if it looks like one big sentence and also for the length. ?

 

[C0YS]

we needed to establish a level of control in the game which we never had outnumbered in midfield they were able to push up on to Son and Kulusevski who weren't in the game and our wing backs rarely got on the front foot - closing that down might have given us some control but that we don't know imo though opening up a game when you have so little of the ball would have been madness -

It worked though. It got us the goal, it made it easier for us to progress the ball forward. Personally I don't see how 3-5-2 would have helped us in that situation. If we were holding onto something fine. But it's literally centeing our play in where Chelsea looked strongest.

Control matters a lot for Conte, possession matters naff all for Conte. He would very rarely make a substitution to have more of the ball. Conte teams play directly, they aren't worried about losing the ball. Their more interested in hurting the opposition quickly. He needed more targets to allow us to more effectively beat the press. It worked.

Even the wingback critique that a lot of fans have, it wasn't really the wing ACLS fault as much as some seem to believe. The wingbacks under Conte are not their to carry the ball forward. They are their to receive the ball in forward areas and defend.

Conte teams progress the ball through the centre. The ideal Conte move would be something like Lloris-Sess-Hojbjerg-Dier-Son-Sess-Kane goal. Okay maybe the pass into the frontline can come from midfield, or directly from defense but what I'm trying to show is that the fullbacks aren't really running much with the ball. They receive it in defensive areas or offensive areas at different phases of play.

The fullbacks couldn't get forward against chelsea because we weren't able to make the ball stick further up the pitch. One of the major problems was when we did have the ball we were too slow to move it on, too imprecise, and when we did get it forward our forwards were unable to trap the ball. A lot of heavy touches on Sunday too.

Having 4 targets for a forward pass makes ball progression easier. Removing an option to create a central overload, which Conte really likes, in a 3-5-2, would work in some circumstances, but it doesn't really work when Chelsea are so physically strong in the centre of the park. And frankly, our midfield would still be worse of in the centre against the fact Chelsea overloaded the middle of the pitch with effectively 4 central midfielders (Mount, Kane, Jorginho and Loftus cheek all drifting into central spaces.

The only real advantage I can see is we would have been better at preventing, say, loftus cheek drifting inside, but that wouldn't have helped us score.

To put it simply. We aren't trying to match Chelsea, we are trying to play in a totally different way from them.

A 3-4-3 in the way we play it is basically a concession that we are not trying to match opposition's midfield. We are saying you can control that space. We will take advantage by being able to attack with numbers and defend with numbers.

There is a reason we were 8th for possession stats last season, barely over 50% and there is a reason Conte doesn't want a passing midfielder. It's not the game plan.

 

[wakefieldyid]

Absolutely no way Conte's red card is being overturned.

Conte seems to have accepted the charge, so there's not much more that can be said about that.

The big issue now is whether the FA treat Tuchel and Conte's misdemeanors as being at the same level. For instance, after his initial booking, Tuchel raced out of his technical area when Chelsea scored their second goal, and should have received a second yellow at this point. Then, when both managers were ultimately red-carded, Conte left the field of play immediately whereas Tuchel remained on the pitch.

Past experience suggests that the FA will ignore the aggravating factors and dole out identical punishments to both managers.

 

[allatsea]

How blown will your mind be if I told you football managers have won titles without playing any football at that level? Would they also be unqualified to offer punditry on Sky?

Mourinho as an example

 

[mightyspur]

The animation of Cuti in this ...

 

[Harrier]

Seriously why was she there , she has not played at a level anywhere near the premier league , I thought to talk about premier league matches you at to at least played in them ,

You could possibly argue it’s virtue signalling from Sky in the modern world, where they try to avoid any controversy or reason to be pulled up, but there’s clearly an increased interest in women’s football, so it makes sense to include some female pundits within the PL games.

Irrespective of that, I’ve thought the female presenters and pundits who have been used have all been pretty good.

Some quite easy on the eye too! ??

 

[Norgie]

The animation of Cuti in this ...

I couldn't help but laugh at that, hilarious

 

[Nayim60yards]

Koulibaly is a monster, looked a bit awkward at times but was able to dominate that left space.

He certainly looked monster pissed off as Kane's header went in by him.

 

[glacierSpurs]

This is great viewing - zoom in on different people to get full vibes. Great to see commitment from players not involved including Tanganga, Spence and Austin.

Even Lenglet celebrated so happily. Always glad to see the bench players just as enthusiastic.

 

[faymantaray]

Its being said chelsea will not play as well again this season. You could also add, no top side will play as bad against them.

Chelsea's brilliance was on the back of our poor play. When we had a couple of positive moments they were in fact as poor as us defending. We deserved the point. This is my take and im sticking to it.

Exactly. Tuchel’s notion of ‘deserving’ doesn’t exist in the way he sees it; the team that ‘deserves’ to win is the one that puts the ball in the net more times than the other.

 

[Nayim60yards]

Anyone else notice how social media have assumed Romero “was already on a yellow” ??‍

I was surprised to see that none of our players were carded in that game while three of theirs were. Battle of the Bridge 2 my arse!