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Bad season - blessing in disguise?

sweyid

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This is not a knee-jerk, bring back Harry, fire AVB thread, just a tought experiment.

When Ramos took over we where truly dreadful - nothing seemed to work at all and we had just sacked a manager who the fans loved and under whom we played some great football. Jol made me fall even deeper in love with Spurs and seeing him sacked, especially in the way it was done, what with Ramos being in the stands and all, felt like a stab in the back.

When Ramos got sacked and Harry came in, we were revitalized and played some stunning football, but it cost us a lot of money, with all the players being brought back again. Harry did very well, had us playing great football but we were still like a drunk 4 year old kid with a box of matches and a can of gasolin, anything could happen (except for beating United away). But Harry could only get us so far, and I know a lot of Spurs fans feel the same way. He was set in his way, not willing to go outside of his comfort zone etc, but he gave the players a lot of confidence.

Then came the spring of 2012 and we we truly and utterly shit. The whole "mind the gap"-business fell, but we still managed to get 4th, but then Chelsea fucked us over and it felt like lasagnagate all over again, but this time 10 times worse. Instead of Chelsea fading away to the midtable team without support they really are, they got their spark back, their gangster of a manager splashed the cash and voila - they're looking great once again.

Then we sacked Harry and brought in AVB and I for one was filled with optimism. I thought, on many occassions, that he'd be our Ferguson, someone who could build a dynasty, and I still feel that he is our man, but that the unwillingness to spend money during the transfer windows has set him back (and I'll get back to this point soon). Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fergie have to wait 6 or so years before he won anything with United? Everyone who plays FM must have seen the phrase "You don't get anywhere with stupid, knee-jerk reactions" or something like that, and I for one hope that we stick with AVB and give him the time and resources needed for him to start playing his style of football. The man is only 34 years old, that's no age for a horse.

Now, back to the spending and trust from Levy et al. Could our bad form (and I know that we'd be playing differently with Benny, Mousa, Younes and Parker healthy) be an eye-opener for Levy? Could our bad form lead us to a catharsis and see us rise, and forgive me for this cheesy metaphor, like a phoenix from the ashes? Our recent form has lead me to postpone the season until January in the hope of Levy spending, and spending in a way that AVB wishes, getting the missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle that is Tottenham. We need a bit of panache, a bit of flair, a bit of creativitiy - we need a bit of Tottenham.

I reckon we've been lucky ( and in some cases extremely unlucky), Liverpool being shit, Arsenal losing players to Man City, Aston Villa dropping out of the upper part of the league etc, and this lack of competition from clubs outside the top 4 (+ City getting in there) has probably made us a bit content. We didn't have to splash cash cause Liverpool were shit, Villa and Everton couldn't really compete like they had done a few years back and Arsenals quality had dropped. Now, City are on their way of firmly establishing themselves in the top four, Everton are looking great, Arsenal will surely go on a good run after a (from an Arsenal perspective) good derby match, just like they did last year and some of the "lesser" sides, WBA and West Ham, are competing at the moment (although I don't expect them to compete in the long run, but then again, a lot of people wrote off Newcastle last season). Now, January isn't far away and we desperately need an infusion of creativity, quality and skill. Will Levy see what he hasn't seen for so many seasons? Will he see that we need that last piece of the puzzle to really be able to compete and establish ourselves as a top 4 side? We've been here before, knocking at the door, feeling the warmth, but not being let in, we've just not been cool enough to go to the party. Levy has the abilitiy to kick that door open, show the Gooners, the Chavs and the Mancs that we are a force to be reckoned with, that White Hart Lane isn't "Three Point Lane", that an away game at Old Trafford doesn't always end with a United win and that aren't just a team to be liked because of the way we play, but a team that actually have the abilitiy to freighten and compete with the top four and all their money and wages.

So, could our bad start and first half of this season actually be the cathalyst that propelles us into the top 4 in the long run? Or am I just being overly optimistic?
 

sunnydelight786

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In a word, NO. Levy will always be Levy in the transfer market. We aint spending shit in Jan so you might as well lower your expectations now. At best, like I have said on numerous occasions, we will get cheap buys, players who's contract are about to expire hence we get them cheap or loans. NO FLIPPIN CHANCE of us getting the big names we are linked with or AVB wants!!!
 

markiespurs

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Jul 9, 2008
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So, could our bad start and first half of this season actually be the cathalyst that propelles us into the top 4 in the long run? Or am I just being overly optimistic?

I think your being massively optimistic unfortunately.

Unless performances and results change soon, then I can see this so called "transitional season" turning into another transitional decade
 

marion52

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Levy won't spend large, he'll probably say to AVB (who's 35 btw) look at all these 'new' players you've got coming back -Parker, Kaboul and Benny:whistle:
 

specspurs

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Overly optimistic I'm sorry to say.
Levy doesn't 'do' catharsis only healthy balance sheets and more money in his own pocket.
 

Marty

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Mar 10, 2005
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The last time Levy threw caution to the wind in the transfer market was the January after Harry had arrived when we were still in the relegation battle. I really hope he sees that a similar splurge this time might be the difference between CL and mid-table obscurity. If he doesn't I will start to ask questions about him.
 

striebs

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The last time Levy threw caution to the wind in the transfer market was the January after Harry had arrived when we were still in the relegation battle. I really hope he sees that a similar splurge this time might be the difference between CL and mid-table obscurity. If he doesn't I will start to ask questions about him.

AVB said himself : “You can only dictate what you can achieve at the end of the season. We have to be given the chance to do a full season and see what happens.”

We have to give this lot a whole season to allow AVB to evaluate everyone .

The only player we should look toward bringing in in January is Moutinho and that won't happen . We need a player like that for Dempsey to show what he can really do .

Just write this season off as a transitional one as many of us have already and enjoy the ride .
 

markiespurs

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AVB said himself : “You can only dictate what you can achieve at the end of the season. We have to be given the chance to do a full season and see what happens.”

We have to give this lot a whole season to allow AVB to evaluate everyone .

The only player we should look toward bringing in in January is Moutinho and that won't happen . We need a player like that for Dempsey to show what he can really do .

Just write this season off as a transitional one as many of us have already and enjoy the ride .

And what about next season, when we might have to find replacements for Bale and Sandro, will that be a transitional season too?

If we are not careful, then we could find ourselves in a "transitional" period for a lot longer than a single season.
 

liam17oi

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Levy has thrown money around before (bentley and Bent) and they didn't turn out too well so Levy has learnt to be more cautious. AVB is Levy's appointment, though, and after seeing us so far this season I firmly believe that Levy will back him in January.

AVB is a Levy appointment. His reputation is on this.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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I see some comparisons with Redknapp's spenidng in his first January window. The difference was we had big gaping holes in our squad and Palacios and Defoe filled them.

Problem was that while they filled the gaps they quickly became players we needed an upgrade on. They were expensive but we needed better. It was the right decision as relegation was very possible.

Now though a solid, prem-proven player is not really a fix to any of our problems. We need genuine quality and someone who we can rely on to play at the highest level for a long time.

If Levy can negotiate a deal for Moutinho or Leandro then great but we are stronger than some are giving us credit for.
 

BillyWhizz

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Nov 16, 2006
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For the first time in my Spurs supporting life I'm feeling patient, I'm fully prepared to give everyone a chance. However I doubt we'll see a huge amount spent in Jan we all know what our spending will be until we move into the new stadium and its your own fault if you get wound up that we don't splash it around. I do think AVB will get at least 1 of his targets though as liam17oi says above he is Levy's signing (Ramos wasn't 100% Levy signing, Commoli was driving that so I think there's a difference this time).

The last 25 years of supporting spurs has felt like a long time, a few more to wait until we're in the new stadium will be easy!
 

Graysonti

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For the first time in my Spurs supporting life I'm feeling patient, I'm fully prepared to give everyone a chance. However I doubt we'll see a huge amount spent in Jan we all know what our spending will be until we move into the new stadium and its your own fault if you get wound up that we don't splash it around. I do think AVB will get at least 1 of his targets though as liam17oi says above he is Levy's signing (Ramos wasn't 100% Levy signing, Commoli was driving that so I think there's a difference this time).

The last 25 years of supporting spurs has felt like a long time, a few more to wait until we're in the new stadium will be easy!

That Stadium aInt being built with Levy in charge. Phoney.
 

TheAmerican

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After seeing all the results today, mid table is about to be super competitive. We are going to need to get healthy fast or to spend money to jump up on some of these teams in their current form. I am hoping Levy spends in January like he did for Harry in 09.
 

Spurger King

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Jul 22, 2008
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I can accept a poor season. AVB was brought in for the long-term project, so inevitably things won't be smooth initially.

What is more difficult to accept are the limits of the club that are preventing us from capitalising on our recent success. It means that in many cases Levy's hands are tied. Unfortunately Levy also seems to be a huge stumbling block when it comes to certain deals.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in January, but I doubt many people will have much faith in Levy pushing the boat out. More likely to sell Defoe and bring in a 5th keeper.
 

BillyWhizz

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That Stadium aInt being built with Levy in charge. Phoney.

The reason it has got this far is because of Levy, the stadium is his bloody idea! Have you not seen the pictures in the stadium thread? The work has started. I bet you said the same about the new training ground as well.
 

Graysonti

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The reason it has got this far is because of Levy, the stadium is his bloody idea! Have you not seen the pictures in the stadium thread? The work has started. I bet you said the same about the new training ground as well.

No it has not started - phase 1 the supermarket has started.

The rest of it can change course. OS anyone? Hope your right
 

BillyWhizz

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Phase 1 is part of the overall plan so yes of course it's started.

By all means criticise Levy for mistakes he's made but moaning about something that hasn't happened yet and where all evidence points to the opposite is just showing your obvious personal dislike of the man.
 

Wirral Spurs

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You are being too optimistic i'm afraid. We are in the process of being overtaken by a number of previously mid-table clubs that have kicked on whilst we have gone backwards. We have replaced most of our genuine quality with mediocrity and are now back down in the pack of wannabes.
 

SteveH

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Jul 21, 2003
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You are being too optimistic i'm afraid. We are in the process of being overtaken by a number of previously mid-table clubs that have kicked on whilst we have gone backwards. We have replaced most of our genuine quality with mediocrity and are now back down in the pack of wannabes.

We are a wannabe - I hope!

There are some very good teams throughout the EPL - ask SAF this fine Sunday after his trip to Norwich
 
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