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yankspurs

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Ozil was absolutely correct to speak up about it, it's Arsenal that are the disgrace.
And the NBA(and all their players) who chose China and money over democracy while also trying to seem ultra progressive. DIsgusting, hypocritical and completely unsurprising.
 

JCRD

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I actually think Arteta would do a good job, he will definitely improve them although it is a low bar.

Vieira on the other hand would not be that great for them.
 

nailsy

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I actually think Arteta would do a good job, he will definitely improve them although it is a low bar.

Vieira on the other hand would not be that great for them.

I don't know how anyone can say he'd improve them when he's literally got no managerial experience.
 

JCRD

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I don't know how anyone can say he'd improve them when he's literally got no managerial experience.


Coaching and management are two different things. though...

You can coach a team into playing better being better and even adopt some form of tactic... He will have learnt a great deal fromworking under and with Pep. Id also argue that he seems quite an intelligent cerebral kinda guy... you can tell by how he played on the pitch too.

Now I never said he will sort the club out, i think that will take a fair while but to improve on the pitch? Yeah I think he will do something to improve them...

Time will tell but cant be too dismissive
 

McFlash

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Oct 19, 2005
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Coaching and management are two different things. though...

You can coach a team into playing better being better and even adopt some form of tactic... He will have learnt a great deal fromworking under and with Pep. Id also argue that he seems quite an intelligent cerebral kinda guy... you can tell by how he played on the pitch too.

Now I never said he will sort the club out, i think that will take a fair while but to improve on the pitch? Yeah I think he will do something to improve them...

Time will tell but cant be too dismissive
My main concern would be that he has the ability and intelligence, but not the personality or passion.
Its gonna take some big balls to walk into that club and get any form of respect from that bunch of players, especially at a young age.
 

rossdapep

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Coaching and management are two different things. though...

You can coach a team into playing better being better and even adopt some form of tactic... He will have learnt a great deal fromworking under and with Pep. Id also argue that he seems quite an intelligent cerebral kinda guy... you can tell by how he played on the pitch too.

Now I never said he will sort the club out, i think that will take a fair while but to improve on the pitch? Yeah I think he will do something to improve them...

Time will tell but cant be too dismissive
I'd argue it's much more the other way.

Being an excellent coach is advantagous but it does not take into account the following.

Team selection
Player management
Opposition preparation
Game to game preparation
Squad management
Player morale and frictions
Maintaining morale and harmony - in Arsenal's case boosting morale
Delegating
etc etc

Its why some excellent coaches fall by the wayside as they are unable to do all the other things so well.

It's great being able to tell a player what they are doing wrong and how they can do better but stepping up and managing everything else is really really tough.
 

JCRD

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My main concern would be that he has the ability and intelligence, but not the personality or passion.
Its gonna take some big balls to walk into that club and get any form of respect from that bunch of players, especially at a young age.


Well not sure if it concerns us because we wnat them to do well or not haha

I catch your drift though... he does seem an emotionless person but who knows maybe that passion etc will come out when he is more involved in a team...

It will be very interesting to see what happens
 

philll

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Can we all just agree that we want him to be an unmitigated disaster? Or at least bad enough that he keeps his job but doesn't threaten the top third of the table.
 

McFlash

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Well not sure if it concerns us because we wnat them to do well or not haha

I catch your drift though... he does seem an emotionless person but who knows maybe that passion etc will come out when he is more involved in a team...

It will be very interesting to see what happens
Yeah, I'm thinking that the players they have, just wont respond well to a young, inexperienced manager coming in and trying to change things.
I may well be wrong but while they've got the likes of Ozil, Luiz et al, it's a tough nut to crack.
 

muppetman

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I know old Shteve isn't well thought of these days but saw this and thought it was pretty sensible - will the players respond to Arteta to do the work involved though?

 

JCRD

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I'd argue it's much more the other way.

Being an excellent coach is advantagous but it does not take into account the following.

Team selection
Player management
Opposition preparation
Game to game preparation
Squad management
Player morale and frictions
Maintaining morale and harmony - in Arsenal's case boosting morale
Delegating
etc etc

Its why some excellent coaches fall by the wayside as they are unable to do all the other things so well.

It's great being able to tell a player what they are doing wrong and how they can do better but stepping up and managing everything else is really really tough.

He will have people around him who will help with all that and certainly putting into practice what he has learnt will be tough.

It is a huge risk but think lots of people are being too dismissive and that is dangerous. Actually its not dangerous because no matter what we think it wont alter the success of Arteta.

Lampard did well at Derby and whilst it is Derby, the Championship is a tough league but its how he adapted to Management. Im not sure if he had coaching experience beforehand but he has done well. I suspect Arsenal are looking at that and hoping Arteta would replicate that
 

nailsy

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Coaching and management are two different things. though...

You can coach a team into playing better being better and even adopt some form of tactic... He will have learnt a great deal fromworking under and with Pep. Id also argue that he seems quite an intelligent cerebral kinda guy... you can tell by how he played on the pitch too.

Now I never said he will sort the club out, i think that will take a fair while but to improve on the pitch? Yeah I think he will do something to improve them...

Time will tell but cant be too dismissive

Exactly. He might be a good coach, but that doesn't mean that he'll be able to handle the human side of the job, it doesn't mean that he'll be able to handle the pressure that comes with the job, the media demands, or the tactical side when he has to make the right decisions at key stages in a game. And I'm not being dismissive. He could be great and an instant success, or he could be a complete disaster.
 

Pellshek

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And so it begins.

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