AR5ENA1 5 SPURS 2 nov12 SOM + RATINGS

[Bus-Conductor]

We are picking holes in the CB, when the problems are everywhere else on the pitch. We have a striker that takes no part in games, we have wide players that not only aren't delivering creativity, especially Lennon, but give their full backs poor support, we have no left back option and a very, very poor right back, and the biggest problem of all is we have no footballing central midfielders and therefore have very little control on games.

To compound this our manager has reverted to the chocolate teapot midfield, with Huddlestone ambling around like a turtle in a windsock.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I think you are talking out of your furry arse bear. Gallas cannot stop those around him being bad or making poor decisions. How is this marshalling supposed to make Walker have a brain ? How can his marshalling make Huddlestone more mobile or Lennon and Bale have a conscience. Did Dawson's "marshalling" ever have this effect ? The 4th goal is a prime example. Dawson, the player you want to replace him with, the vastly experienced club captain, makes the worst decision of the game by any of our cb's.

This is scapegoat time.

Gallas and Sandro are the players I am probably least unhappy with this season.The ones that produce a consistent level of performance. He ain't perfect, he makes errors, but his reading and actions are usually what I want and expect from him. I wish I could say the same about most of the others.

Dawson/Caulker is what I said. If you're happy with the defence conceding 12 goals in 4 games and don't want changes then I guess that's up to you. If I was AVB I would be changing things around to try and make us not look like an Under 7s side when we defend.

You're talking bollocks about the scapegoat thing, as usual you're doing the 'he who shouts loudest shouts last' approach. It's an unmitigated fact that I've been Gallas' second most vociferous supporter behind you're good self. But what I won't do is berate the same players and defend the same players just because I'm too bone idle to admit someone had a bad game.

Unless your name is Roman Pavlyuchenko.

Dawson got caught between 2 minds, at the end of the day he was caught out by challenging for the ball, if he hadn't challenged for the ball it would have been equally as bad a mistake. What did you think of Gallas not being tight enough to his man who the crossed for Cazorla to slot home? Or is there a danger you'll have to apportion too much blame to him for your liking?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Dawson/Caulker is what I said. If you're happy with the defence conceding 12 goals in 4 games and don't want changes then I guess that's up to you. If I was AVB I would be changing things around to try and make us not look like an Under 7s side when we defend.

You're talking bollocks about the scapegoat thing, as usual you're doing the 'he who shouts loudest shouts last' approach. It's an unmitigated fact that I've been Gallas' second most vociferous supporter behind you're good self. But what I won't do is berate the same players and defend the same players just because I'm too bone idle to admit someone had a bad game.

Unless your name is Roman Pavlyuchenko.

Dawson got caught between 2 minds, at the end of the day he was caught out by challenging for the ball, if he hadn't challenged for the ball it would have been equally as bad a mistake. What did you think of Gallas not being tight enough to his man who the crossed for Cazorla to slot home? Or is there a danger you'll have to apportion too much blame to him for your liking?

See my post above. There are plenty of things I'd change, but most of them before I'd change Gallas, because it his not his performances that are causing us to be a bad team.

Putting Dawson into that defence is not going to make Walker a better footballer. It is not going to make our midfield (the one we have right now) control games, he's not going to make Huddelstone slim, dynamic and incisive, or players like Bale and Lennon play better and work fucking harder for the team when they don't have the ball, and he's not going to make Defoe touch the ball more than 5 times a fucking game.

This "I know, replacing Gallas with Dawson, will make it better" idea is a dead fucking parrot.

Gallas was tighter to Podolski than Vertonghen was to his man, why don't you want Vertonghen replaced by dawson ? Surely if Gallas goes tighter to Podolski he allows the ball inside.

 

[cozzo]

Lloris can't be blanked for the goals, made one save he had no right to make, was off his line quickly on many occasions and met crosses well.

Walker continues his theme off great pass completion to the opposition.

Gallas let them have a free header for their first, was turned easily due their second, lost his man for their third and whored out the flank so they cross for their fourth. We should not be playing a short weak arthritic geriatric.

Vertonghen was not great barring his pass for the goal. He was pretty sloppy and he was beaten too often.

Naughton seemed very happy to let the cross whenever they wanted

Lennon, was he on the pitch?

Huddlestone is in the wrong sport. Terrible at everything today.

Sandro fought and fought but was on his own out there.

Bale wasn't in the game enough first half aside from one great run. He was better second half, scored a great goal, and at least caused them trouble. Him I'll pay to watch, only him really.

Defoe was Fine until Ade went, lost afterwards.

Adebayor was our best player till the red. Silly tackle, but from where I was sat I saw no studs showing, only one foot in the challenge, and a slightly high boot which tapped Carzola. Sagan committed at least two worse fouls without even a booking.

Dawson came on and actually headed the ball, made tackles, and defended. Take notes grandpa Gallas.

Dempsey attempted a few nice passes but was generally his usual static self. Loses possession too easily.

Carroll didn't really impact things. He tried, but what a hard situation to throw the kid into. Should've started instead of Hudd.

Avb picked the right formation but he persisted with two footballers who serve little to no purpose in Hudd and Gallas, and this cost us more than the loss of Ade

This is a prime example of what I mean. Gallas was marking Podolski for the first goal, Huddlestone and Walker were nearest to Mertasacker, the second he was left with Podolski and Arteta, where was the other defenders?, Why isn't Vertonghen sharing the blame for the third goal? How comes you blame Gallas for the 4th Goal, but not the other players when crosses came in for the other goals? Bias?

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

See my post above. There are plenty of things I'd change, but most of them before I'd change Gallas, because it his not his performances that are causing us to be a bad team.

Putting Dawson into that defence is not going to make Walker a better footballer. It is not going to make our midfield (the one we have right now) control games, he's not going to make Huddelstone slim, dynamic and incisive, or players like Bale and Lennon play better and work fucking harder for the team when they don't have the ball, and he's not going to make Defoe touch the ball more than 5 times a fucking game.
This "I know, replacing Gallas with Dawson, will make it better" idea is a dead fucking parrot.

Gallas was tighter to Podolski than Vertonghen was to his man, why don't you want Vertonghen replaced by dawson ? Surely if Gallas goes tighter to Podolski he allows the ball inside.

Is replacing friedel with lloris going to make all those players do what you say? No, but you still do it because not only is he the future you would say he's the better player.

Vertonghen can bring the ball out, is composed, makes plenty of interceptions, is good in the air. He's head and shoulders above gallas. That's maybe why. I thought gallas was decent for us
when he first came. I honestly think he's a liability now. He gets brushed off the ball easily, he's lost a yard of pace atleast and most importantly for me, he can't find passes through
to midfield. it's not scapegoating, he's just not good enough now. I actually don't rate Dawson really and can't wait until Kaboul comes back in. But for me atleast he can mix it physically and I feel a little more confidant when he's got the ball at the back than when gallas has.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Come on yourself, BC! Sometimes it looks as though you protest too much where Billy G is concerned. Yes, he's a bit unfortunate for Arsenal's second but I would have liked to see him make a stronger challenge. It's just a personal thing. The root cause was shambolic pressing, I know.

He was absolutely skinned for the fourth. Podolski went round him like he was a training cone.

 

[double0]

Well for the record our best defender thus far is S Caulker so for me has to play. Dawson couldn't be any worse than Gallas who looks a spent force superb defender in his time has become a liability of late IMO, his clearances and positioning has left many baffling questions and it's no wonder Walkers been unbalanced. Vertonghen hasn't the positional awareness to stay left back I now reckon it's become an open secret amongst other EPL team to rape us on the left, since we lost Assou-Ekotto.

Three at the back might be an idea seeing were so weak on our left side.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

See my post above. There are plenty of things I'd change, but most of them before I'd change Gallas, because it his not his performances that are causing us to be a bad team.

Putting Dawson into that defence is not going to make Walker a better footballer. It is not going to make our midfield (the one we have right now) control games, he's not going to make Huddelstone slim, dynamic and incisive, or players like Bale and Lennon play better and work fucking harder for the team when they don't have the ball, and he's not going to make Defoe touch the ball more than 5 times a fucking game.

This "I know, replacing Gallas with Dawson, will make it better" idea is a dead fucking parrot.

Gallas was tighter to Podolski than Vertonghen was to his man, why don't you want Vertonghen replaced by dawson ? Surely if Gallas goes tighter to Podolski he allows the ball inside.

Now you're just being fucking stupid BC.

Besides, Vertonghen needs to play at left back until BAE is back, rather than the guy with his shoes on the wrong feet.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Now you're just being fucking stupid BC.

Besides, Vertonghen needs to play at left back until BAE is back, rather than the guy with his shoes on the wrong feet.

LOL. Vertonghen has started to look absolutely lousy at LB, Bear.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Come on yourself, BC! Sometimes it looks as though you protest too much where Billy G is concerned. Yes, he's a bit unfortunate for Arsenal's second but I would have liked to see him make a stronger challenge. It's just a personal thing. The root cause was shambolic pressing, I know.

He was absolutely skinned for the fourth. Podolski went round him like he was a training cone.

Do you believe Dawson or one of our other kb's would have played that situation differently ? Dawson certainly wouldn't, and cazorla actually ran round Lennon (possibly our quickest player) with the ball (unlike Podolski) for Giroud's goal.

I think my original comment on Gallas in my ratings fairly sums it up. I think he's capable of mistakes like every player, but I think some of the criticisms of him are disproportionate to the actual mistakes, especially when contextualised with what other ****s are doing. I think criticising him for Podolski's goal is typical of that. Four pages about his fucking clearances the other week was another example. Their are a faction on here that don't forgive him for keeping their beloved Dawson out of the team and won't be happy until we have Dawson back committing the type mistakes he has done just about every time he's played this season and for the last 6 years.

It may seem like I'm protesting that that is not the answer too much, but I can assure you, I am protesting it just the right amount.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

LOL. Vertonghen has started to look absolutely lousy at LB, Bear.

I know. But he's better than Naughton. Just goes to show how much of a fucking shambles we are in at the moment doesn't it?

 

[theShiznit]

Gallas is the BC anti Hudd.

For any good that he cannot see in Hudd/Daws (to a lesser extent Walker) he can see no bad in Gallas.

Either that or everyone else just has a problem with an ex Arsenal/Chav player

That's easier to believe...

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I know. But he's better than Naughton. Just goes to show how much of a fucking shambles we are in at the moment doesn't it?

Do you believe Dawson or one of our other kb's would have played that situation differently ? Dawson certainly wouldn't, and cazorla actually ran round Lennon (possibly our quickest player) with the ball (unlike Podolski) for Giroud's goal.

I think my original comment on Gallas in my ratings fairly sums it up. I think he's capable of mistakes like every player, but I think some of the criticisms of him are disproportionate to the actual mistakes, especially when contextualised with what other ****s are doing. I think criticising him for Podolski's goal is typical of that. Four pages about his fucking clearances the other week was another example. Their are a faction on here that don't forgive him for keeping their beloved Dawson out of the team and won't be happy until we have Dawson back committing the type mistakes he has done just about every time he's played this season and for the last 6 years.

It may seem like I'm protesting that that is not the answer too much, but I can assure you, I am protesting it just the right amount.

Listen up, BC. I already said I think Gallas has been our best defender this season and for me, he keeps his place. I think he is physically weak for a cb and that disappoints me. I think you went overboard defending him after that Chelsea game (where I thought he was good apart from the botched clearances) but I know for a fact that there are Spurs fans who hate him because of where he's come from.

You know what I think of Lennon. No time for him and would sell him faster than you could say Ploddernome.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Listen up, BC. I already said I think Gallas has been our best defender this season and for me, he keeps his place. I think he is physically weak for a cb and that disappoints me. I think you went overboard defending him after that Chelsea game (where I thought he was good apart from the botched clearances) but I know for a fact that there are Spurs fans who hate him because of where he's come from.

You know what I think of Lennon. No time for him and would sell him faster than you could say Ploddernome.

I think people went overboard criticising him after that chelsea game. And are again now. And I think people calling for Dawson - which they are - to come in as a solution to our problems are not only going overboard, but doing triple salchow dives with lead weights strapped to their bollocks.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I think people went overboard criticising him after that chelsea game. And are again now. And I think people calling for Dawson - which they are - to come in as a solution to our problems are not only going overboard, but doing triple salchow dives with lead weights strapped to their bollocks.

I agree that people went overboard with their criticism of him after the Chelsea game, BC, but I also think you went a bit overboard defending him. I wouldn't prefer Daws. Although he's a decent penalty box defender and we're spending a lot of time in and around our penalty area.

 

[Blake Griffin]

hopefully benny is back soon so we can go walker/naughton - caulker - vertonghen - bae

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree that people went overboard with their criticism of him after the Chelsea game, BC, but I also think you went a bit overboard defending him. I wouldn't prefer Daws. Although he's a decent penalty box defender and we're spending a lot of time in and around our penalty area.

No, I just defended him against people who went overboard with their criticism. We are losing games and not playing well for reason's that have nothing to do with Gallas's clearances going ten yards instead of twenty. And Dawson isn't a decent penalty box defender, he's a decent header of the ball. He's a poor penalty box defender because he is slow on the turn and heavy footed and continually loses his man at set pieces.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

No, I just defended him against people who went overboard with their criticism. We are losing games and not playing well for reason's that have nothing to do with Gallas's clearances going ten yards instead of twenty. And Dawson isn't a decent penalty box defender, he's a decent header of the ball. He's a poor penalty box defender because he is slow on the turn and heavy footed and continually loses his man at set pieces.

Well I think you went overboard defending his clearances. I know we are not losing games because of Gallas-I have never said that.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well I think you went overboard defending his clearances. I know we are not losing games because of Gallas-I have never said that.

I think you are going overboard about my going overboard.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Just been watching the second half again. (Properly this time). Gallas is 2/3 yards deeper than any of the rest of our boys for Podolski's goal. He also tries to block the shot with his swinger.

Also, whoever said Levy was smiling after the game couldn't have been more wrong. He looked like someone shat in his bed.