Andy Carroll

[jimtheyid]

Carroll would be immense for us.

Carroll

Bale VDV Lennon

Modric Hudd

BAE King Daws Super Al

Gomes

 

[mil1lion]

It works for Drogba at a big club, so I don't see why it wouldn't work for us too. Obviously that's not all there is to his game, but I don't think that's all there is to Carroll's game either. But having a battering ram is exactly what you need for the kind of games we struggle in, against lower quality physical sides like Stoke and Blackburn.

I dont want us to play like Chelsea thanks. I'd rather a Villa than a Drogda, a Milito than an Adebayor, a Llorente than a Carroll. We've already beaten Stoke this season and it was thanks to some wonderful football in the 1st half. Bolton dont strictly play that way now, they played some good football to beat us. I dont think we need that type of striker to beat physical teams. We just need someone more consistent than Pav and Defoe, better holding up the ball and more clinical in front of goal than Crouch, and on the same wavelength as VDV, Modric and Bale.

 

[lennonslaces]

I dont want us to play like Chelsea thanks. I'd rather a Villa than a Drogda, a Milito than an Adebayor, a Llorente than a Carroll. We've already beaten Stoke this season and it was thanks to some wonderful football in the 1st half. Bolton dont strictly play that way now, they played some good football to beat us. I dont think we need that type of striker to beat physical teams. We just need someone more consistent than Pav and Defoe, better holding up the ball and more clinical in front of goal than Crouch, and on the same wavelength as VDV, Modric and Bale.

Sounds like Carroll to me:grin:

 

[Darrkespur]

Pardew's issued a strong denial about this today, but I still don't really know what the relationship between him, Ashley and £££ is. I'm sure he wants to keep Carroll but I suspect the chairman is lloking to cash in on some of his assets.

 

[dirtydave]

Did anyone see the Supplement on Sky? Sam Wallace thinks this could be a goer.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12379_6602211,00.html

Never really thought much of Sam Wallace though tbh.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

I dont want us to play like Chelsea thanks. I'd rather a Villa than a Drogda, a Milito than an Adebayor, a Llorente than a Carroll. We've already beaten Stoke this season and it was thanks to some wonderful football in the 1st half. Bolton dont strictly play that way now, they played some good football to beat us. I dont think we need that type of striker to beat physical teams. We just need someone more consistent than Pav and Defoe, better holding up the ball and more clinical in front of goal than Crouch, and on the same wavelength as VDV, Modric and Bale.

Carroll is more than just a battering ram and with our midfield we won't play like the chavs ever. I'm all for us flogging Keano and one of Pav or Crouch and bringing in Carroll and Wickham that would be great. Even if it cost 25-30mil we'd pull in 10-15 mil atleast selling 2 strikers so it would only be an overall outlay of 10-15 mil to get in 2 young quality players with big futures.

It's just imperative that we upgrade the strikeforce in january if we're serious about another top 4 finish. We've got money in the coffers for a striker and we need to spend it january or face the strong possibilty of euro league mickey mouse footy next season and nobody wants that.

 

[jurgen]

I'd rather a Villa than a Drogda, a Milito than an Adebayor, a Llorente than a Carroll. quote]

Spot the odd one out in those names. The one we'd have any chance at all of buying.

Interesting you like the more slightly built latin players capable of moments of inspiration (in less physical leagues) to the big strong players capable of moments of inspiration in our more physical league but ho hum...ok Carroll - being the only really realistic name on that list for us - isn't capable of the same heights as the others yet, but I'm interested why you don't like Drogba, its not as if the man isn't capable of genius to go with his battering ramminess...

 

[mil1lion]

Carroll is more than just a battering ram and with our midfield we won't play like the chavs ever. I'm all for us flogging Keano and one of Pav or Crouch and bringing in Carroll and Wickham that would be great. Even if it cost 25-30mil we'd pull in 10-15 mil atleast selling 2 strikers so it would only be an overall outlay of 10-15 mil to get in 2 young quality players with big futures.

It's just imperative that we upgrade the strikeforce in january if we're serious about another top 4 finish. We've got money in the coffers for a striker and we need to spend it january or face the strong possibilty of euro league mickey mouse footy next season and nobody wants that.

I didn't actually say Carroll is a battering ram type of player btw, I was just refering to the comment that we need a battering ram type of striker up front. I just dont think we need that type of player.

My main issue with Carroll is not so much the type of player he is, but the fact that he is overpriced.

I'd rather a Villa than a Drogda, a Milito than an Adebayor, a Llorente than a Carroll. quote]

Spot the odd one out in those names. The one we'd have any chance at all of buying.

Interesting you like the more slightly built latin players capable of moments of inspiration (in less physical leagues) to the big strong players capable of moments of inspiration in our more physical league but ho hum...ok Carroll - being the only really realistic name on that list for us - isn't capable of the same heights as the others yet, but I'm interested why you don't like Drogba, its not as if the man isn't capable of genius to go with his battering ramminess...

Drogba is obviously a great player and one who we'll never sign of course. I just prefer a player more in keeping with our style of football. Someone like a Torres for example would be much better suited to our game. I just think Drogba suits Chelsea and their style of physical football. They still play some wonderful football at times too, and I know Drogba is more than just bullying players, but its not the same as those who play beautiful football.

I haven't seen a great deal of Carroll, but he doesn't scream £20m player for me. I just think he's overvalued. You say there's one player on my list we can get, but I think there are 2. We could realistically get Llorente and i'm sure we'd get him cheaper than Carroll. I just dont like paying over the odds for English players when a Spaniard could be signed cheaper.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

I didn't actually say Carroll is a battering ram type of player btw, I was just refering to the comment that we need a battering ram type of striker up front. I just dont think we need that type of player.

My main issue with Carroll is not so much the type of player he is, but the fact that he is overpriced.

Drogba is obviously a great player and one who we'll never sign of course. I just prefer a player more in keeping with our style of football. Someone like a Torres for example would be much better suited to our game. I just think Drogba suits Chelsea and their style of physical football. They still play some wonderful football at times too, and I know Drogba is more than just bullying players, but its not the same as those who play beautiful football.

I haven't seen a great deal of Carroll, but he doesn't scream £20m player for me. I just think he's overvalued. You say there's one player on my list we can get, but I think there are 2. We could realistically get Llorente and i'm sure we'd get him cheaper than Carroll. I just dont like paying over the odds for English players when a Spaniard could be signed cheaper.

but he's not overpriced if he comes here and continues scoring like he has at the barcodes and with better service from the wings and through the middle I don't see how he won't

 

[mil1lion]

Like Darren Bent you mean?

 

[jimtheyid]

The thing with Darren Bent is that we had a wanky midfield when he signed. We relied on Berba and Keane to create our goals. Which they could, because they were awesome.

Bent, whilst being a great goal poacher/finisher could not create. therefore did not suit us at the time. It was unfortunate. Now we have a great midfield I have no0 doubt that Bent would score bucketloads in this team.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Like Darren Bent you mean?

grasping at straws aren't ya

when Bent got here THFC was a mess and he suffered because of it but that aside he was still pretty decent in his second season with us

Carroll is a completely different style of player, he's also younger, not timid in the slightest and with our amazing wing play he'd be a monster in the air for us so no not like Darren Bent at all

 

[mil1lion]

How am I grabbing at straws? I'm just stating the fact that we spent £16m on Darren Bent and it proved to be overpriced. We weren't ever a mess of a team then either. We had just come off another 5th place finish afterall. It just so happens we didn't really need Bent at the time.

All i'm saying is that as soon as a player like Carroll shows a run of form in the Premier League his value shoots up incredibly much. Just like it did with Bent. I'm not saying Bent wasn't a good player, just never a £16m one. Just as Carroll is not a £20m striker. Certainly not yet anyway.

I also feel that the price can affect a players form aswell. One of the problems Bent had was the fact that he cost £16m. With that, people expect £16m worth of talent with it. The same goes for Bentley. If people expect Carroll to play like a £20m player then they'll be very dissapointed imo.

There's also the big fish in a small pond scenario too.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

How am I grabbing at straws? I'm just stating the fact that we spent £16m on Darren Bent and it proved to be overpriced. We weren't ever a mess of a team then either. We had just come off another 5th place finish afterall. It just so happens we didn't really need Bent at the time.

All i'm saying is that as soon as a player like Carroll shows a run of form in the Premier League his value shoots up incredibly much. Just like it did with Bent. I'm not saying Bent wasn't a good player, just never a £16m one. Just as Carroll is not a £20m striker. Certainly not yet anyway.

I also feel that the price can affect a players form aswell. One of the problems Bent had was the fact that he cost £16m. With that, people expect £16m worth of talent with it. The same goes for Bentley. If people expect Carroll to play like a £20m player then they'll be very dissapointed imo.

There's also the big fish in a small pond scenario too.

Clutching at straws because you're comparing 2 players that are nothing alike other than nationality. Behind the scenes when we bought Bent there was a major power struggle going on to deny that is denial. Price also shouldn't be an issue, dumb ass fanatics make it an issue. In the last season and a half Carroll has been quality and his powerful direct style would suit our fast paced wing play to a tee. If he was called Andro Carlitos playing in la liga he wouldn't be meeting nearly as much opposition.

 

[pablo73]

Clutching at straws because you're comparing 2 players that are nothing alike other than nationality. Behind the scenes when we bought Bent there was a major power struggle going on to deny that is denial. Price also shouldn't be an issue, dumb ass fanatics make it an issue. In the last season and a half Carroll has been quality and his powerful direct style would suit our fast paced wing play to a tee. If he was called Andro Carlitos playing in la liga he wouldn't be meeting nearly as much opposition.

That's a good one, I like that. Can't argue with that logic

 

[DoublePivot]

Well if Ipswich can ask for 12 million for Wickham then I imagine Newcastle has the right to ask 20 for Carrol. But at that rate, we should be able to get 50 for Crouchie

 

[Darrkespur]

Actually I think based on the amount of goals Bent has scored in the Premiership consistently, £15M is probably a reasonable estimate of his value. It's not like he didn't score goals for us, we just needed a different kind of striker. But in terms of his scoring ability, I think you could rate him in the 12-17M bracket fairly easily.

Carroll is, on the basis of this season and on his potential, a better all around player than Bent so I don't see why he's not worth a fair whack. 20M is a lot, admittedly, but I think if he was our player we'd want at least 15M based on his performance over the last 18 months.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Actually I think based on the amount of goals Bent has scored in the Premiership consistently, £15M is probably a reasonable estimate of his value. It's not like he didn't score goals for us, we just needed a different kind of striker. But in terms of his scoring ability, I think you could rate him in the 12-17M bracket fairly easily.

Carroll is, on the basis of this season and on his potential, a better all around player than Bent so I don't see why he's not worth a fair whack. 20M is a lot, admittedly, but I think if he was our player we'd want at least 15M based on his performance over the last 18 months.

ffs if he was our player we'd want 50mil especially if he'd scored afew in the CL too :lol:

 

[mil1lion]

Clutching at straws because you're comparing 2 players that are nothing alike other than nationality. Behind the scenes when we bought Bent there was a major power struggle going on to deny that is denial. Price also shouldn't be an issue, dumb ass fanatics make it an issue. In the last season and a half Carroll has been quality and his powerful direct style would suit our fast paced wing play to a tee. If he was called Andro Carlitos playing in la liga he wouldn't be meeting nearly as much opposition.

It's like the Bent deal because he's yet another overpriced English player. How is it any different to the Darren Bent transfer? Bent was doing great for Charlton, scoring plenty of goals and we spent £16m on him. It didn't work out. We're now being linked with another English striker who has had an impressive 18 mths according to you, although 12 of which were at Championship level. The guy has played 1 England international friendly. For £20m we should be getting a proven world class talent. If he was called Andro Carlitos from La Liga, he wouldn't be valued as highly as he is. That's the point. If we cant get a player the quality of Andy Carroll for less than £20m, then our scouting simply isn't good enough.

 

[danielneeds]

It's like the Bent deal because he's yet another overpriced English player. How is it any different to the Darren Bent transfer? Bent was doing great for Charlton, scoring plenty of goals and we spent £16m on him. It didn't work out. We're now being linked with another English striker who has had an impressive 18 mths according to you, although 12 of which were at Championship level. The guy has played 1 England international friendly. For £20m we should be getting a proven world class talent. If he was called Andro Carlitos from La Liga, he wouldn't be valued as highly as he is. That's the point. If we cant get a player the quality of Andy Carroll for less than £20m, then our scouting simply isn't good enough.

I think the difference between the the two situations is when we signed Bent we had Keane and Berbs as the best strike partnership in the league, and he largely thrived played up front by himself for counter-attacking teams, which just wasn't our style of play.

Carroll is perhaps the best aerial player in the league, and we are probably the only team who plays with two out and out wingers looking to put balls in the box. It just makes sense, unlike the Bent deal.

Pricing is separate issue, but Levy usually finds good value so it doesn't worry me too much.