Jose Mourinho

Phomesy · Mar 5, 2020

rossdapep said:
Not shitting on the Poch years at all. From 2015/16 - early 2019 it was absolutely fantastic and I wish we were still in that state but the first season under Poch wasn't looking to bright. Go back and look at the threads from that season.

Yes but he was taking over a completely schizophrenic squad who had no identity at all. Then imposed an identity which produced clear green shoots of potential by the end of the year.

Mourinho is taking over a squad to make Top 4 and/or win a cup. That's not happening. SO we look for green shoots. An identity.

I believe and hope he will do it as he's done many times before. But you can't blame the pessimists for calling doomsday at the moment can you? It's grim.

kaz Hirai · Mar 5, 2020

United fans having a right old laugh about how quick Jose has done to us what he did to them.

Fortunately we haven't given him a quarter billion pounds tho

Good times

rossdapep · Mar 5, 2020

Phomesy said:
Yes but he was taking over a completely schizophrenic squad who had no identity at all. Then imposed an identity which produced clear green shoots of potential by the end of the year.

Mourinho is taking over a squad to make Top 4 and/or win a cup. That's not happening. SO we look for green shoots. An identity.

I believe and hope he will do it as he's done many times before. But you can't blame the pessimists for calling doomsday at the moment can you? It's grim.

That's unfair on Jose because I think he's absolutely taken over a team lacking an identity and direction. He's also got a shit ton of injuries to deal with. So him and Poch have/had a similar situation.

By the way, when I made that post about Poch, my original post was comparing it with Joses situation and WHY we need to be patient because it turned out golden with Poch. It was in no way a criticism of him, it was to stress how coaches have to have time to embed their system and philosophy.

SugarRay · Mar 5, 2020

Honeymoon well and truly over.

Absolutely pathetic result tonight. Pathetic

Now it’s up to him to fucking win us over imo. No more benefit of the doubt shit. Duck half that team off

Wheeler Dealer · Mar 5, 2020

Mourinho is fortunate that all the focus has gone onto Eric Dier tonight, but if things continue in this manner the heat will be back on him very very quickly

Phomesy · Mar 5, 2020

rossdapep said:
That's unfair on Jose because I think he's absolutely taken over a team lacking an identity and direction. He's also got a shit ton of injuries to deal with. So him and Poch have/had a similar situation.

By the way, when I made that post about Poch, my original post was comparing it with Joses situation and WHY we need to be patient because it turned out golden with Poch. It was in no way a criticism of him, it was to stress how coaches have to have time to embed their system and philosophy.

I agree Jose needs to time but to compare Jose taking over from a CL Final Spurs squad who had just added 150 million worth of signings to where Poch was when he took over is also a calculation.

Like I said - we're all waiting for those green shoots of identity and purpose.

I hope they will come. But we were sold "SILVERWARE NOW".

I just want green shoots

You might also note that I don't resort to neg reps just because I have another view.

Joely · Mar 5, 2020

riggi said:
It will do soon. Once Jose calls him out on Transfers..

It's all so predictable. Levy needs a yes man as a manager to work under him. Poch was that to a degree when he joined but once his stock had risen, he no longer needed to be that and things must have come to a head imo. Mourinho will put Mourinho first and will have no qualms about throwing Levy under the bus. He has an ego, personality and honestly doubt he gives a shit about Levy. Mourinho doesn't see the money this summer, it's going to be a rough ride.

Lighty64 · Mar 5, 2020

Danny1 said:
Sorry, I’ve seen this said a few times. Seriously people need to go back and look at the first 20-25 games. We were totally and utterly dreadful.

Someone, can’t remember who, did a game by game analysis of his first games and the team were a shambles and were playing some of the worst football I’ve seen at the Lane. Only once he cleared the decks and brought in the players who went with his philosophy did things start to change. Poch was given time by the fans, Mourinho is not being given the same.

after his 1st 25 league games we had W13 - D5 L7 we also got to the Carling Final (or whatever it was), and that was with a depleted squad as he outed 4 players at the very start

Phomesy · Mar 5, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Troll, Gooner and a shit fan? Next you'll be telling me i'm a bad husband and son.

Poch failed to win anything here, that is a failure, media called it the same. At same time I've defended him to the hilt on here, lots of times, please don't throw accusations at me.

Also.

Stop name calling mate, it's pretty fucking childish.

You're just trying to cause trouble by constantly shitting on the Poch era. Even though it serves no purpose to defend Mourinho.

What else should you be called?

You are shitting on our best period since Bill Nich.

What else should you be called?

SE Spurs · Mar 5, 2020

Mourinho and Levy made the biggest mistake by thinking this squad was just underachieving. The appointment of Mourinho was to win silverware, with pretty much this squad.
Give Mourinho the tools, he'll win you trophies. But he's now realising he hasn't got the tools in this ageing, injury prone squad.

I thought it would end in a fucking mess with Mourinho, because it always does. But can we win a trophy or two before that happened. Now unless he gets backed big in the summer, it's gonna end a mess much sooner than I thought.

SugarRay · Mar 5, 2020

This is going to end in tears massively.

We’ll be way off even Europa next season and will be delighted when Howe comes in and gets us back up to challenging for top 7 again after the nonsense Jose experiment

Kane will be long gone and the CL final and football will be a distant memor

oh and we’ll still be absolute fucking mugs paying highest prices in football to watch a team not as good as Sheffield Utd or Leicester City

Fucking enjoy lads?

rossdapep · Mar 5, 2020

Phomesy said:
I agree Jose needs to time but to compare Jose taking over from a CL Final Spurs squad who had just added 150 million worth of signings to where Poch was when he took over is also a calculation.

Like I said - we're all waiting for those green shoots of identity and purpose.

I hope they will come. But we were sold "SILVERWARE NOW".

I just want green shoots

You might also note that I don't resort to neg reps just because I have another view.

I don't typically give neg reps but then you namecalled.

I actually did see some green shoots a few weeks ago, the problem is since then Sonny got injured, Lamela again, Ndombele hasn't stepped up and now there looks like there'll be more injuries.

Whilst you say it's a CL finalist squad, it's also the same squad who displayed relegation form over 20 games or so, beaten by Colchester and hammered by Bayern and then embarrassed by Brighton. That 150m of talent, half have been injured, not ready or not available and the other two have only just walked through the door and Bergwijn has scored twice.

We're in a mess. That was well before Jose arrived.

kaz Hirai · Mar 5, 2020

SE Spurs said:
Mourinho and Levy made the biggest mistake by thinking this squad was just underachieving. The appointment of Mourinho was to win silverware, with pretty much this squad.
Give Mourinho the tools, he'll win you trophies. But he's now realising he hasn't got the tools in this ageing, injury prone squad.

I thought it would end in a fucking mess with Mourinho, because it always does. But can we win a trophy or two before that happened. Now unless he gets backed big in the summer, it's gonna end a mess much sooner than I thought.

Ageing squad?
It's mostly made up of young players and others in their prime 20s

Spurs 1961 · Mar 5, 2020

Not sure what people expect from Jose. We have seen him poison Chelsea; leave ManU in a worse state that when he took over with fans of both sick of his turgid approach to football. I didn’t want him want him at my club and still don’. Some here I know we’re so excited about how wonderful a legendary manager should come and run our ’little club’. Me having supported for nearly sixty years have always seen us as a big club. Those wanting a raft of new players I guess weren’t around before Poch to remember the days of huge turnovers in planning staff which got us nowhere. Seems like all the good stuff of Poch’s reign is disappearing fast

SugarRay · Mar 5, 2020

SE Spurs said:
Mourinho and Levy made the biggest mistake by thinking this squad was just underachieving. The appointment of Mourinho was to win silverware, with pretty much this squad.
Give Mourinho the tools, he'll win you trophies. But he's now realising he hasn't got the tools in this ageing, injury prone squad.

I thought it would end in a fucking mess with Mourinho, because it always does. But can we win a trophy or two before that happened. Now unless he gets backed big in the summer, it's gonna end a mess much sooner than I thought.

Kane aside, and of course the homegrown lads, I fucking hate this squad. Can not wait to see the back of most of them. Spineless pathetic excuse seeking ****s

Stamford · Mar 5, 2020

SugarRay said:
Kane aside, and of course the homegrown lads, I fucking hate this squad. Can not wait to see the back of most of them. Spineless pathetic excuse seeking ****s

Homegrown lads aren't good enough either though

rossdapep · Mar 5, 2020

Going to hate myself for saying this but perhaps no European football at all is what we need now. I don't think we can reach CL football for next year with our current situation and we need to get back to the drawing board, focus on the league, focus on having a team with an identity again. No Europa distractions, even if I'd like to win it.

fedupyid · Mar 5, 2020

Pochettino did wonders at Spurs, deserved the chance to rebuild the team when Levy deprived him of the chance of doing this. Mourinho is a mercenary who plays park the bus football. I don’t understand how anyone compares the two. People don’t say about the trophies he won the majority by outspending everyone, while at Utd he only won the UEFA cup.

Phomesy · Mar 5, 2020

rossdapep said:
I don't typically give neg reps but then you namecalled.

Who? You?

Or do you mean that troll who is doing nothing other than stirring up trouble by shitting on Poch?

rossdapep said:
I actually did see some green shoots a few weeks ago, the problem is since then Sonny got injured, Lamela again, Ndombele hasn't stepped up and now there looks like there'll be more injuries.

Whilst you say it's a CL finalist squad, it's also the same squad who displayed relegation form over 20 games or so, beaten by Colchester and hammered by Bayern and then embarrassed by Brighton. That 150m of talent, half have been injured, not ready or not available and the other two have only just walked through the door and Bergwijn has scored twice.

We're in a mess. That was well before Jose arrived.

Pochettino called for a painful rebuild. He got sacked and we were sold silverware. We are now where we are.

You simply cannot blame those who never wanted Poch sacked, or those who never wanted Mourinho appointed, for feeling the way they do having just suffered the result we just have.

We were sold silverware and now we're being sold "rebuild".

I'm all in on Mourinho. I just choose not to shit on Poch to make my point.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 5, 2020

Phomesy said:
You're just trying to cause trouble by constantly shitting on the Poch era. Even though it serves no purpose to defend Mourinho.

What else should you be called?

You are shitting on our best period since Bill Nich.

What else should you be called?

This is becoming weird.

He didn't win a pot in his time with us - that in footballing terms is a failure.

He did bring some very good results, some fantastic players, a wonderful ethos and a fantastic night in Amsterdam.

You want to think of me as a troll for stating something that people in the footballing world have stated, media or otherwise, then I don't think there is a lot I can say right here and now to change that opinion. I find it odd that you have singled me out as being a troll when there are others who have voiced a similar opinion on the subject of actually winning something, rather than just memories and a good period. You can enjoy the latter but bemoan the former.

You honestly think I'm a fan of another football club? A troll? I get called a happy clapper on here on a semi regular basis - kinda hard to be a happy clapper and a troll at the same time. Nah, I'm not a troll, I've always been passionate about this club and I should not have to sit here and defend myself to some one like you.

No one likes their club losing, I fucking hate it.

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