Jose Mourinho

wrd · Nov 28, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
I do agree to the general idea of turning results around, that did happen. Earlier on though, I'd often put that down to fitness (ie. strategy) not tactics. Tottenham would just run and run until the opponent was physically beat, and then score a couple of goals. Which wasn't a bad thing, I think we all actually quite enjoyed it. But the strategy grew more and more redundant as more and more teams reach new levels of fitness themselves and also set up in a smarter way to last the full distance vs. Tottenham.

Yeah and that is Poch's style, giving teams belief, outfighting the opponent and it was a joy to watch at it's peak, there was 1 stand out game where tactically he changed it at half-time and it was superb and that was Dortmund last season. I think you'd agree most of us have been reinvigorated as fans by the excitement of a new manager who's main strengths are his ability to influence the game tactically and also seeing the game to game tweaks because he's the master of understanding how to combat the rivals tactics.

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 28, 2019

wrd said:
Yeah and that is Poch's style, giving teams belief, outfighting the opponent and it was a joy to watch at it's peak, there was 1 stand out game where tactically he changed it at half-time and it was superb and that was Dortmund last season. I think you'd agree most of us have been reinvigorated as fans by the excitement of a new manager who's main strengths are his ability to influence the game tactically and also seeing the game to game tweaks because he's the master of understanding how to combat the rivals tactics.

I think only the perspectives are skewed a bit because of the very long time of really bad football. Of course the best of the last five years was indeed really good. But at least for me, I know that now I'm seeing everything I want from a football match. Plenty of goals, plenty of drama, plenty of smiles, very direct football, outsmarting the opponent, using only the best skills of each player to form a coherent team, and backtrack early when things don't work out.

spids · Nov 28, 2019

One of my biggest regrets of Poch's tenure was the 2-1 home defeat by Juve in the CL in 2018. We were at the peak of our powers and should have gone all the way that year. We had totally outplayed Juve away to come back from a disastrous start to draw 2-2. Dembele gave one of the best CM performances I have ever seen in that away leg - he controlled the ball and the entire game. In the 2nd leg at Wembley after Son scored 1st half they needed to score 2. We looked like we could blow them away and went looking for another goal. Juve threw on 2 extra forwards - in the 60th and 61st minutes - and switched to 2 out and out wingers either side Higuain and Dybala through the middle. The TV cameras zoomed in as Poch stood on the touchline deep in thought. 4 minutes later Juve scored an equaliser, 3 mins after that, in the 67th minute we were 2-1 down. Poch eventually made a change in the 74th minute bringing on Lamela for Dier. But it was too late. Juve then gave us a masterclass in shutting up shop, game management, and the dark arts. They took off a forward, threw on an extra defender and started tactically fouling and cheating, a combination of expert defending and simulation and time wasting. And we were out. We had outplayed them for 90% of both legs, home and away, and were beaten by a more experienced coach in the big moment minutes.

And this is what I said that night in the match thread after we were knocked out:

There is no shame in losing to a great Juve side. Sir Alex Ferguson did not win the CL at his first couple of attempts and neither will Pochettino. The difference between these two teams was ultimately on the touchline, where Allegri out manoeuvred Pochettino with his experience, making subs and a formation change to win the game. Pochettino stood on the touchline observing and considering if a tactical response was necessary whilst Juve scored 2 goals in 3 minutes. On reflection Pochettino must question why we were chasing the game at 1-0 and 1-1, as it was Juve that needed to score and not us. Taking off one of the AMs, moving Davies inside to make a third CB, and introducing Rose on the left would have stopped our back 4 getting stretched so wide after the Juve changes. We would also then have had the plan B of taking off a defender and introducing Moura should the game need to be chased later on. I am old enough to remember Sir Alex's Man U side playing 4-4-2 in the CL in the mid 90's and blowing teams away until they met the Juves and Real Madrids in the latter stages where they ended up falling agonisingly short. SAF changed his tactics for big European games. He learnt the importance of not conceding at home. Pochettino would be well advised to pester one of his heroes for another supper meeting and be ready to take the next step in his managerial education. On the whole this was a great experience for us and Pochettino and we have progressed further, and can still win the FA Cup and finish in the top 4 and move into the new stadium on the back of a very successful season. COYS!

Kiedis · Nov 28, 2019

Everlasting Seconds said:
It seems as if you are trying to say that you think that Pochettino made plenty of incisive substitutions at opportune moments in time. If that is indeed what you are saying, the only thing I can think of as an explanation is that rather than dealing with the realities such as they in fact are, as so many of us like to do, you prefer an ulterior reality as a foundation for making up quite creative fiction and then posting that fiction on the internet.

I was more thinking about tactical changes during the course of a game, or tactical adjustments to counter the strenghts of specific opponents (not just substitutions). Reading posts in here, it seems like a lot of people either have forgotten or failed to grasp tactical changes Poch made that turned games around for us, or ensured that we had an edge from the outset.

If the discussion I waddled into was merely about substitutions, then by all means call me a crazy fanfic writer.

NEVILLEB · Nov 28, 2019

Anyone think Mourinho was invited to lead the Inter team in our stadium opening with a view to selling the club to him?

Is that too machiavellian?

SpartanSpur · Nov 28, 2019

Kiedis said:
I was more thinking about tactical changes during the course of a game, or tactical adjustments to counter the strenghts of specific opponents (not just substitutions). Reading posts in here, it seems like a lot of people either have forgotten or failed to grasp tactical changes Poch made that turned games around for us, or ensured that we had an edge from the outset.

If the discussion I waddled into was merely about substitutions, then by all means call me a crazy fanfic writer.

He certainly did a lot of that in late 2018, so I do agree with where you are coming from. He had to because we seemed to start games poorly during the entire season. Often it was against inferior opposition and was in effect correcting the mistakes, so the parallels with Tuesday are fair. I also agree with other comments in that the superior fitness and much improved mentality Poch brought to us earned a lot of the comebacks in our peak.

As the season went on the fatigue and the belief faded and we were less able to recover and since then it's been snowballing as confidence has gotten lower and lower.

I think it's fair to suggest Jose is on a different level tactically however, I highly doubt Jose would have lost as many semi-finals as Poch did. Being able to change things with subs AND formation tweaks is an improvement IMHO. Even at our peak under Poch people would question his decisions, subs and game management. That's not a knock on Poch, he is a fantastic coach that is still on the rise, and no doubt will do very well at the next top club that hires him.

TorontoYid · Nov 28, 2019

There is no doubt he has decent tactical skill but at all the places he had the most success, he also had the budget to buy pretty much whoever he wanted. I am skeptical he will be able to succeed at Spurs since he won't get the unlimited budget he enjoyed at Chelski etc but hopefully he proves me wrong.

Dillspur · Nov 28, 2019

NEVILLEB said:
Anyone think Mourinho was invited to lead the Inter team in our stadium opening with a view to selling the club to him?

Is that too machiavellian?

Does Jose have that sort of cash?

LDNYid · Nov 28, 2019

TorontoYid said:
There is no doubt he has decent tactical skill but at all the places he had the most success, he also had the budget to buy pretty much whoever he wanted. I am skeptical he will be able to succeed at Spurs since he won't get the unlimited budget he enjoyed at Chelski etc but hopefully he proves me wrong.

I believe he will be given the funds to bring in 2-3 very good players per season; with this squad, that should be enough.

Gassin's finest · Nov 28, 2019

As long as he gets to choose his targets this time.

tiger666 · Nov 28, 2019

Gassin's finest said:
As long as he gets to choose his targets this time.

He can choose em, doesn't mean he'll get em.

Ben1 · Nov 28, 2019

TorontoYid said:
There is no doubt he has decent tactical skill but at all the places he had the most success, he also had the budget to buy pretty much whoever he wanted. I am skeptical he will be able to succeed at Spurs since he won't get the unlimited budget he enjoyed at Chelski etc but hopefully he proves me wrong.

Yeah, this isn't at all true though is it. His biggest successes are his two CL wins, with an underdog Porto side and an Inter team that turned a profit the summer before, selling their best player.

spids · Nov 28, 2019

TorontoYid said:
There is no doubt he has decent tactical skill but at all the places he had the most success, he also had the budget to buy pretty much whoever he wanted. I am skeptical he will be able to succeed at Spurs since he won't get the unlimited budget he enjoyed at Chelski etc but hopefully he proves me wrong.

If all he did was stop us conceding cheap goals and make the existing players street smart in big games then we will be better. I think he will do more than that.

SirHarryHotspur · Nov 28, 2019

"Apart from his native Portuguese, Mourinho speaks Spanish, Italian, French, Catalan and English to varying degrees of fluency."

So not only is he a serial silverware winner he is also a polyglot , nothing to hold us back now apart from transfer money.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 28, 2019

Trix said:
The in game changes last night weren't new manager bounce though we're they. They were tactical decisions based on what was going on on the pitch,the likes of which we haven't witnessed for well over a decade.

Well over a decade? Trix mate we’ve never witnessed this as we’ve never had a world class coach who’s been there and won it. Unless you’re referring to king of the jungle arry playing bale RM as tactical genius ?

RichieS · Nov 28, 2019

Gassin's finest said:
He's still got his work cut out for him. Despite the wins, we've still conceded 4 goals in 2 games. There's no way anyone would be happy with that.

Honeymoon is over, time to start getting that defence in order.

jurgen11 said:
I have found both matches and all 11 goals thoroughly entertaining, a bit mad but I have been entertained...

13VanDerBale13 · Nov 28, 2019

slartibartfast · Nov 28, 2019

RichieS said:

Bastard film was on few nights ago. Caught last hour of it when I should have gone to bed. Cant not watch it and I've seen it a million times. Was fked next day lol.
Derailing thread but I wanted to see Joaquin Phoenix after watching the Joker recently. Gladiator, Walk the line and Joker. Now thats fkin acting.
Anyway... wonder what JM is doing right now?

sausage · Nov 28, 2019

SirHarryHotspur said:
"Apart from his native Portuguese, Mourinho speaks Spanish, Italian, French, Catalan and English to varying degrees of fluency."

So not only is he a serial silverware winner he is also a polyglot , nothing to hold us back now apart from transfer money.

Of course he's a polyglot - he pretty much got his break in football for being a translator

Saoirse · Nov 28, 2019

NEVILLEB said:
Anyone think Mourinho was invited to lead the Inter team in our stadium opening with a view to selling the club to him?

Is that too machiavellian?

I agree, it's entirely possible. It's Levy we're talking about. Inviting Mourinho cost virtually nothing, and in return improved our chances of having him available as a very serious option should Poch ever leave. Sure, at that point we might have been worrying about him getting poached by Madrid/United more than getting fired, but I bet the thought occurred and played some part in the process.

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