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JR1994

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The Stadium sounded dead today.
It was good till we went 1-0 down. Atmosphere in the pubs and the high road was good as well. After that first goal it was pretty flat.. Everyone says it’s full of tourists but with the QR code now think it’s harder for them to get tickets. When the teams playing shit the fans will be shit
 

rossdapep

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It didn’t at all - you couldn’t hear the goons at all from 5 mins before KO, but once Sess managed to pea roll two great crossing opportunities straight at the man in front of him (when easier to avoid) and Lloris threw the ball into his own net the life drained out of the crowd.
I think it's important to note that many were saying the stadium was rocking after we beat them 3-0 Last season. Even remember some saying the atmosphere was truly incredible

Which proves that if the team on the pitch is energetic and doing well, it is reflected by the fans
 

PaulM

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It was good till we went 1-0 down. Atmosphere in the pubs and the high road was good as well. After that first goal it was pretty flat.. Everyone says it’s full of tourists but with the QR code now think it’s harder for them to get tickets. When the teams playing shit the fans will be shit
Yeah, I thought it was a little flat walking up the High Road yesterday but in the stadium, people were up for it and got behind the team. However, once the goal went in and they absolutely dicked us for most of the first half, people lost hope understandably. I know I feared that yesterday would be what it turned into and I guess a lot of others did too and resigned themselves to it when we went behind.

I expected it to be more toxic to be honest (idiot going for Ramsdale notwithstanding). I thought we'd have boos and we didn't really as I recall. We were probably helped on that score at half time by the confusion over the challenge on PEH.

Crowd wasn't the problem yesterday, players weren't the problem, the manager's tactics were.
 

G Ron

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I think it's important to note that many were saying the stadium was rocking after we beat them 3-0 Last season. Even remember some saying the atmosphere was truly incredible

Which proves that if the team on the pitch is energetic and doing well, it is reflected by the fans
100% - I’ve never known the new stadium as raucous as it was that evening. It was electric and they couldn’t hack it. Your point is bang on - the fans can only do so much, but you need some sparks on the pitch to keep it going / make it even more intense.
 

PCozzie

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It was good till we went 1-0 down. Atmosphere in the pubs and the high road was good as well. After that first goal it was pretty flat.. Everyone says it’s full of tourists but with the QR code now think it’s harder for them to get tickets. When the teams playing shit the fans will be shit
I was at the Portsmouth FA cup match last week, only my second visit to the stadium, and I was struck by how 'polite' it seemed. Kind of like we were watching a half-decent play at the theatre. No complaints about the stadium, it is ultra-impressive, but it is big, and if the football isn't engaging then it's hard for the crowd.

The old WHL was big enough to hold a reasonable crowd, but small enough that each stand could feed off the other, with lots of back and forth. It was easier to get the atmosphere going even if the football wasn't great. I just think the new stadium has yet to really find its character. There are signs of what could happen in the South Stand with the TIFOs and flags (also, we could do with naming the stands. Compass points don't really evoke memories or emotion).

But really, the best way to get the place rocking is to get something going on down on the pitch.
 

spursfan77

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It is absolutely terrible.

But yesterday wasn't even the worst. It was Marseille at home. Before the game it was rocking, for the first 20 minutes of the game it was too. So much singing and getting behind the team. But you know what they did to repay us? Camped out on our penalty box letting Marseille have the ball and refusing to attack. It continued all half and we just gave up in the stands. What was the point? The players were respecting us and our efforts to push them up the pitch. Completely the opposite.
 

For the love of Spurs

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It’s such a sad state of affairs. I remember during the design of the stadium how much excitement there was regarding the dortmund style single tier stand, how intimidating it would be for the opposition. In fact how intimidating the stadium was going to be, by keeping the sound in and avoiding the mistakes other clubs have made in stadium design.

These things were achieved, but they have become irrelevant as the mismanagement from the top down of the basic football side of things has neutralised all of that. World class stadium, world class striker. Yet we have managed to have dinosaur Mourinho, an absolutely embarrassing farce of Nuno which basically revealed to all that …. at the top they have no idea what they are doing and are making it up as they go along. We have had Ryan Mason in charge of cup finals. Some of it is amateur night stuff that happens at West Ham.

Levy is well past his sell by date and his utter mismanagement has led us to where we are now with fans utterly disheartened and basically getting no enjoyment from match days.

We are a posh West Ham or pound shop Chelsea. We could have been so much more.
 

spursfan77

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WHL never ever felt as toxic as it has done at the new stadium the last 3 years imo.

That's a good point actually. I was too young to have a season ticket during the Sugar years and didn't go that often so cant really comment on then, but I'm sure it never got as bad as now. Definitely not from Jol onwards.
 

dannyo

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You know it’s bad when you log in and see games like this and your first thought is I’ll list all of these. I’m pretty much beginning to dislike everything about going to watch us, apart from meeting mates for a beer. I might just do that part and cut out the boredom and frustration of actually going to the game. Especially on Sundays

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For the love of Spurs

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That's a good point actually. I was too young to have a season ticket during the Sugar years and didn't go that often so cant really comment on then, but I'm sure it never got as bad as now. Definitely not from Jol onwards.

If we are not winning then the replacement is good football see Jol or Redknapp. If the football is bad and we are losing and this happens often then it’s easy to see the issue.

club has to either properly back Conte to get back to winning or get someone else who plays exciting football. What shocks me is that it feels like ENIC aren’t aware of this basic premise. They always come across as more out of touch than American owners - Glazers excepted - who hardly even know the game.
 

southlondonyiddo

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Yeah agree. People have rose-tinted specs on WHL because it ended so well. Place was a fucking morgue for long periods. If the team's good, the stadium's good. If it isn't, it's not. Really is that simple.
Yes obviously but we’re talking generally - the new place can/will never have the atmosphere or intimidation factor of the old gaff - for many many reasons
 

fishhhandaricecake

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You know it’s bad when you log in and see games like this and your first thought is I’ll list all of these. I’m pretty much beginning to dislike everything about going to watch us, apart from meeting mates for a beer. I might just do that part and cut out the boredom and frustration of actually going to the game. Especially on Sundays

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Yea it’s insane mate isn’t it to look at those fixtures and think na I’ll list those would rather not go.

I think Tottenham is such a beautiful unique club and our fans are very resilient but after the last 3 years of rigid toothless boring dross on the pitch and no clear identity or plan on the football side off the pitch we are just fed up.

As I said in the Conte thread, I can just about take 30 years of supporting Spurs and getting used to us not winning while our main rivals keep bringing home trophy after trophy but what I cannot take is to have a football team who are virtually unwatchable at times week upon week, month upon month year upon year for over 3 years now.

One thing Tottenham has very rarely been is boring and I think if you add that boredom for about 3 years of us being one of the bottom 3 teams to watch in the league as well as no certainty with regards to the future direction or plan on the pitch, I think fans are just sick of spending their hard earned time and money going to what is now regularly a very toxic atmosphere and just ultimately not enjoying much about the day or game at all.

This could be remedied a bit if we just hired a manager who is a better fit for our club and for the type of football the fans want to see.

As Paratici said when we hired Conte there is no guarantee of him winning trophies for Tottenham, well then at least get us a football team and manager who keeps possession, strings a few passes together, which attacks with intensity and tires to create chances and win games and score goals rather than just try to make sure we don’t lose badly, because this is not Tottenham
Hotspur anymore right now.
 

G Ron

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That's a good point actually. I was too young to have a season ticket during the Sugar years and didn't go that often so cant really comment on then, but I'm sure it never got as bad as now. Definitely not from Jol onwards.
It did in the 90’s….
 

PaulM

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Yea it’s insane mate isn’t it to look at those fixtures and think na I’ll list those would rather not go.

I think Tottenham is such a beautiful unique club and our fans are very resilient but after the last 3 years of rigid toothless boring dross on the pitch and no clear identity or plan on the football side off the pitch we are just fed up.

As I said in the Conte thread, I can just about take 30 years of supporting Spurs and getting used to us not winning while our main rivals keep bringing home trophy after trophy but what I cannot take is to have a football team who are virtually unwatchable at times week upon week, month upon month year upon year for over 3 years now.

One thing Tottenham has very rarely been is boring and I think if you add that boredom for about 3 years of us being one of the bottom 3 teams to watch in the league as well as no certainty with regards to the future direction or plan on the pitch, I think fans are just sick of spending their hard earned time and money going to what is now regularly a very toxic atmosphere and just ultimately not enjoying much about the day or game at all.

This could be remedied a bit if we just hired a manager who is a better fit for our club and for the type of football the fans want to see.

As Paratici said when we hired Conte there is no guarantee of him winning trophies for Tottenham, well then at least get us a football team and manager who keeps possession, strings a few passes together, which attacks with intensity and tires to create chances and win games and score goals rather than just try to make sure we don’t lose badly, because this is not Tottenham
Hotspur anymore right now.
I'm a Conte fan, albeit my resolve is weakening, but I'd agree with this. Really makes Levy's statements about our "DNA" seem like empty corporate jargon. This isn't the club I fell in love with and kept supporting against my better judgement.

Gave my weekend up to come across for yesterday, spent a fortune on flights and hotel and even more yesterday on transport because the train line wasn't on, had an argument with my lad this morning as he didn't want to get up for school as he was knackered getting home so late...I love this club but give me something, anything to justify all that. I'll do it and teach him he has to do it too...but I need some sort of payoff. It doesn't have to be trophies but it can't be the shit we watched yesterday.
 

floydiohead

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WHL never ever felt as toxic as it has done at the new stadium the last 3 years imo.
Apart from when Campbell came back for the first time. But that was fun. :devil:

On a serious note, I agree with everything you say. I also was there throughout when we were absolute shite. Spent years and years going home and away, and now, I barely go and when I do I regret it. I spent years supporting Levy and what he has done for the club; and he has done some very good things. But he is way past his sell-by date, and the club needs a change of ownership and direction.
 
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