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the lad
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What a coincidence.
chas vs dave
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It was actually the scholar era that set us back. The financial mismanagement almost ruined us.
Sugar stabilised us, but should have sold us earlier.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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100%. There are levels to this. Fundamental and basic human rights are not the same as a billionaire trying to dodge the taxman
arunspurs
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Compromised , yes.
GutBucket
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He's done a lot worse than tax evasion, still better than slavery and murders but he's a scumbag for sure.
Tottenham Hotspur Owner Takes Over Ancestral Land in Argentina – Byline Times
Carole Concha Bell reports on how a British businessman and football club owner has sparked a conflict between an indigenous community and Argentina's security forces
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EastUpperDK82
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I get it... but Prince's, King's and whole states/countries buying their way into football or sports in general... is a bit different than billionaires and companies... clean money or not.
Danfunkel
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Qatar Airways Stadium ?
ukdy
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Bear with me...
As I see it, 'we' - that's the royal we btw, have tried to grow the club to a level where we can compete sustainably over the last 20 years with all the investment and facilities upgrades... along the way being in a shit ton of opportunities to win a trophy, but for a number of reasons falling short in finals or at the end of the season.
So.. we either continue down this road and let the stadium & naming rights and sponsorship & matchday revenue firm up our top 4 credentials, winning a trophy here and there.. signing quality players frequently, but not as frequently as state-backed clubs and those clubs where the ownership model is to throw debt at the problem..
Or... we join the Oil FC, USA FC, State-owned investment fund FC, wealthy bored billionaire... mini-league we call the big 6.
There's no middle ground as I see it, it's either or. Keep being unhappy about not running away with the PL each year and winning the odd pot, listening to the 'Tottenham have never won a trophy' crowd. - or do something about it and slowly sell off a share of the club for more investment, and maybe eventually all of it.
From the looks of things, ENIC have their fingers and interests in lots of things Tottenham, Club, Property, High Road developments... their vision is multi-decade and so just 'selling the club' isn't what people think it is.. it's generational, Tetris, 3D Tridimensional Star Trek Chess.. (look that up if you want to see what I mean)..
I want us to win fair and square, doing so off our own blood sweat and tears, but if we're gonna be left behind by doing so, then sign me up to something less than morally perfect, and I'll happily pay the therapy bills from my sleep loss induced moral dilemma, whilst singing 'Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that' each time we play the goons.
As I see it, 'we' - that's the royal we btw, have tried to grow the club to a level where we can compete sustainably over the last 20 years with all the investment and facilities upgrades... along the way being in a shit ton of opportunities to win a trophy, but for a number of reasons falling short in finals or at the end of the season.
So.. we either continue down this road and let the stadium & naming rights and sponsorship & matchday revenue firm up our top 4 credentials, winning a trophy here and there.. signing quality players frequently, but not as frequently as state-backed clubs and those clubs where the ownership model is to throw debt at the problem..
Or... we join the Oil FC, USA FC, State-owned investment fund FC, wealthy bored billionaire... mini-league we call the big 6.
There's no middle ground as I see it, it's either or. Keep being unhappy about not running away with the PL each year and winning the odd pot, listening to the 'Tottenham have never won a trophy' crowd. - or do something about it and slowly sell off a share of the club for more investment, and maybe eventually all of it.
From the looks of things, ENIC have their fingers and interests in lots of things Tottenham, Club, Property, High Road developments... their vision is multi-decade and so just 'selling the club' isn't what people think it is.. it's generational, Tetris, 3D Tridimensional Star Trek Chess.. (look that up if you want to see what I mean)..
I want us to win fair and square, doing so off our own blood sweat and tears, but if we're gonna be left behind by doing so, then sign me up to something less than morally perfect, and I'll happily pay the therapy bills from my sleep loss induced moral dilemma, whilst singing 'Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that' each time we play the goons.
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Tucker
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I disagree. He had obvious links to Putin and there’s a strong suggestion that the money he invested in Chelsea came from Putin on the understanding that he could call in that debt if he needed it one day. It was a way of hiding his money abroad if things went tits up in Russia etc. But Chelsea were never a part of the Russian states propaganda arm or their foreign policy aims.
The likes of City, PSG and Newcastle are directly controlled (despite what they’d claim) by countries. It’s a completely different kettle of fish.
We’re already seeing people bend of backwards to try and be ok with this by saying things like “Oh well Joe Lewis is a tax dodger, he’s not a very nice man” etc etc. But he’s still just an individual, he’s still susceptible to the laws that govern us all if he had dissidents within the ENIC company stoned to death he’d probably get in trouble for it.
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Abu Dhabi commit atrocities every week. They’re on a different level to avoiding a bit of income tax or fucking someone over in a business deal.
EastUpperDK82
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So you've been absolutely fine with Newcastle's new owners or the Would Cup in Qatar ? ... you've never said a bad thing about it ? ?
EastUpperDK82
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Makes Emirates sound like Highbury again ??
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SheffieldAndy
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I’m going to be totally honest, I’m not going to bring Joe Lewis into it at all, but I still use Google, Amazon, Visa, Disney, PayPal and Sainsbury’s. And I bet a lot if not all of us use some of them, which is not really much different than supporting a club that has a similar minority stake owned by one of those countries you mentioned.
JayB
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I completely agree with you about the human rights abusers being far worse than more conventional billionaires. Drawing an equivalence between the two is precisely what the sports-washers want people to do. It normalizes their abuses to say that they are morally equal to unsavory business practices.
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