Match Threads Spurs Vs Stade Rennais : Postponed

Joshua shepherd · Dec 13, 2021

Yid-ol said:
What if UEFA had a game scheduled in for during that break? It's not in Uefa's rules that countries have winter breaks so could schedule them in as and when they need

Well then the winter break probably wouldn’t have been scheduled for those dates?

Blake Griffin · Dec 13, 2021

Joshua shepherd said:
Well exactly, so the game should be void and we should take the L. Just like it happened in the cup last year when we got a bye.

not the same.

there's two months until the next round of europa games, there wasn't even a week between orient and the next round so couldn't be rescheduled without there being a big knock-on effect.

Clockspur · Dec 13, 2021

The next round is not until Feb - if there is a will then a date in Jan can comfortably be found. Don’t give me a load of rubbish about fulfilling the fixture before 31/12 - that’s just for transfer reasons and there is a simple way around that - only players eligible for the original fixture can play.

The fairest outcome here is to fulfil the fixture

ralphs bald spot · Dec 13, 2021

Joshua shepherd said:
But just because it fits UEFA’s schedule doesn’t mean it fits Rennes schedule. If they have a winter break it’s not fair for them to sacrifice that at the expense of a game which through no fault of their own couldn’t be played previously.

be interested to see if they are in fact jetting off somewhere to play a friendly - I game hardly ruins a winter break does it

Yid-ol · Dec 13, 2021

Joshua shepherd said:
Well exactly, so the game should be void and we should take the L. Just like it happened in the cup last year when we got a bye.

Been said a good few time now.

There wasn't much time to play the game, we were already playing 3/4 games a week at that point so couldn't get the game in. Rennes have free time to play after 22nd and as long as we can work a date to play also, then it's not the same. If we can't offer a date, then it's us unable to play it and we forfeit the game.

ShelfWatcher · Dec 13, 2021

For me there are various problems with rescheduling Rennes. Partly it adds to our fixture congestion, especially if we go through
But mainly if we beat Rennes, Vitesse go out, which is massively unfair to a team that fulfilled their fixtures in a timely fashion
I'm sure they will rightly object and take UEFA to court.
To me it's clear Vitesse should go through, and realistically Rennes won't be booted out.
We should go out, and for once I wouldn't mind an early exit from Europe, given the circumstances

Beni · Dec 13, 2021

Joshua shepherd said:
But just because it fits UEFA’s schedule doesn’t mean it fits Rennes schedule. If they have a winter break it’s not fair for them to sacrifice that at the expense of a game which through no fault of their own couldn’t be played previously.

Because it’s the rules. Just like we would have to fulfil our game with Burnley by end of the season, and using an excuse that it would impact our rest period or training in rescheduling for a date, where we would not have had a game due to no fault of our own.

Yid-ol · Dec 13, 2021

ShelfWatcher said:
For me there are various problems with rescheduling Rennes. Partly it adds to our fixture congestion, especially if we go through
But mainly if we beat Rennes, Vitesse go out, which is massively unfair to a team that fulfilled their fixtures in a timely fashion
I'm sure they will rightly object and take UEFA to court.
To me it's clear Vitesse should go through, and realistically Rennes won't be booted out.
We should go out, and for once I wouldn't mind an early exit from Europe, given the circumstances

Not sure they could take them to court if we play the game and win, especially if it's before the 31st December deadline.

JayB · Dec 13, 2021

ShelfWatcher said:
For me there are various problems with rescheduling Rennes. Partly it adds to our fixture congestion, especially if we go through
But mainly if we beat Rennes, Vitesse go out, which is massively unfair to a team that fulfilled their fixtures in a timely fashion
I'm sure they will rightly object and take UEFA to court.
To me it's clear Vitesse should go through, and realistically Rennes won't be booted out.
We should go out, and for once I wouldn't mind an early exit from Europe, given the circumstances

How would it be unfair to Vitesse if we beat Rennes? Every team in the group would have played their full six matches and Vitesse would have come third. It'd be perfectly fair.

ShelfWatcher · Dec 13, 2021

Yid-ol said:
Not sure they could take them to court if we play the game and win, especially if it's before the 31st December deadline.

I think they could, because they can argue Spurs should have forfeited the game as per the 13 man rule. Plus the integrity of the competition was damaged by Spurs knowing the result they needed by playing at a later date

neilp · Dec 13, 2021

Toss a coin to decide the result of the match.

ShelfWatcher · Dec 13, 2021

JayB said:
How would it be unfair to Vitesse if we beat Rennes? Every team in the group would have played their full six matches and Vitesse would have come third. It'd be perfectly fair.
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Disagree, because they can argue Spurs should have forfeited the game as per the 13 man rule. Plus the integrity of the competition was damaged by Spurs knowing the result they needed by playing at a later date

Apologies, messed the quote up ??

Goobers · Dec 13, 2021

I find it strange that we were included in the draw at all to be honest. However that does make me think they are a way off a decision. To be fair Rennes don't give a monkeys if they get a 3-0 loss from the postponed fixture as they win the table so what exactly is the motivation for them to fulfil the fixture. Strange situation. By the way - in my opinion we did absolutely the right thing to not play the fixture. Absolutely. And I won't hear different.

Yid-ol · Dec 13, 2021

ShelfWatcher said:
I think they could, because they can argue Spurs should have forfeited the game as per the 13 man rule. Plus the integrity of the competition was damaged by Spurs knowing the result they needed by playing at a later date

Then you open the door for games like Atalanta vs Villarreal where it was played the next day die to snow should Atalanta have been rules to lose (though did lose) because they couldn't play the game at the right time.

mr ashley · Dec 13, 2021

ShelfWatcher said:
For me there are various problems with rescheduling Rennes. Partly it adds to our fixture congestion, especially if we go through
But mainly if we beat Rennes, Vitesse go out, which is massively unfair to a team that fulfilled their fixtures in a timely fashion
I'm sure they will rightly object and take UEFA to court.
To me it's clear Vitesse should go through, and realistically Rennes won't be booted out.
We should go out, and for once I wouldn't mind an early exit from Europe, given the circumstances

If we did beat rennes in a rescheduled fixture, would it affect vitesse any differently than if the original game had been played?

personally I’ve got no sympathy for vitesse anyway, because of their scumbag fans who were the worst hooligans I’ve seen in 20 years.

I know lots of people want us to sack this competition off anyway- and did so before it started. But I’m not sure the pros and cons are so clear cut.

most importantly, I’m not sure that we didn’t anything wrong. Are we trying to play the system? Not really.
kicking us (or anyone)out because of a covid outbreak would be harsh in the extreme- and set a dangerous precedent for the rest of this season at least.
Best outcome is to set a date to replay the game. Eating into a winter break isn’t a problem- it’s not like the Rennes players will be putting their feet up anyway.
If they refuse- then they forfeit.

not sure what uefa would do if they had a covid outbreak too though…

ShelfWatcher · Dec 13, 2021

Yid-ol said:
Then you open the door for games like Atalanta vs Villarreal where it was played the next day die to snow should Atalanta have been rules to lose (though did lose) because they couldn't play the game at the right time.

True, but there still remains the argument we should have forfeited the game because of the 13 man rule
To me Vitesse will rightly fight it all the way if they end up going up
And I'll be backing that fight, because I think we should be out of the competition now.
We should also postpone Leicester because we would have plenty of free dates

Trotter · Dec 13, 2021

Yid-ol said:
Then you open the door for games like Atalanta vs Villarreal where it was played the next day die to snow should Atalanta have been rules to lose (though did lose) because they couldn't play the game at the right time.

Why on earth are you comparing a game called off by a referee due to weather conditions which neither party had control over, to a game called off by one of the participants because in effect "they were able, capable, but didn't want to play the game"

Talk about comparing apples to oranges to try and justify something. Logically you are making no sense

ShelfWatcher · Dec 13, 2021

mr ashley said:
If we did beat rennes in a rescheduled fixture, would it affect vitesse any differently than if the original game had been played?

personally I’ve got no sympathy for vitesse anyway, because of their scumbag fans who were the worst hooligans I’ve seen in 20 years.

I know lots of people want us to sack this competition off anyway- and did so before it started. But I’m not sure the pros and cons are so clear cut.

most importantly, I’m not sure that we didn’t anything wrong. Are we trying to play the system? Not really.
kicking us (or anyone)out because of a covid outbreak would be harsh in the extreme- and set a dangerous precedent for the rest of this season at least.
Best outcome is to set a date to replay the game. Eating into a winter break isn’t a problem- it’s not like the Rennes players will be putting their feet up anyway.
If they refuse- then they forfeit.

not sure what uefa would do if they had a covid outbreak too though…

I don't think we did anything wrong, I can see why we didn't want to play.
But AFAIK we had sufficient players, so we should forfeit the game. Why we now want to play Leicester with a similarly weakened team is beyond me, BTW.
I know nothing about Vitesse hooligans, so I'm not going to comment on that
But I never thought it was fair our club missed out on European football because of hooligans in the 80s.

Yid-ol · Dec 13, 2021

ShelfWatcher said:
True, but there still remains the argument we should have forfeited the game because of the 13 man rule
To me Vitesse will rightly fight it all the way if they end up going up
And I'll be backing that fight, because I think we should be out of the competition now.
We should also postpone Leicester because we would have plenty of free dates

Did we go under the 13 though? I haven't seen that, as can see if it's under 13 we should forfeit the game. But if we also asked UEFA for it to be re arranged and they agreed and that's in their rules (can't find much on their rules) then there isn't much they can do.

Yid-ol · Dec 13, 2021

MK Yid said:
Why on earth are you comparing a game called off by a referee due to weather conditions which neither party had control over, to a game called off by one of the participants because in effect "they were able, capable, but didn't want to play the game"

Talk about comparing apples to oranges to try and justify something. Logically you are making no sense

It was quite obvious if you read my reply and what I replied too.

Plus the integrity of the competition was damaged by Spurs knowing the result they needed by playing at a later date

So I pointed out another game that was played at a later date... Not that hard to see why it was mentioned.

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