The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th August 2021

CanadaSpurs · Aug 24, 2021

DenverSpur said:
The NDombele situation makes me wish we had something like they have in the NFL where you’re contract is only good if you make the squad after fore season training.If you don’t you’re out on your ear. More complicated here because of transfers but still the principle is sound. It would stop people taking the piss, taking the money for doing nothing

The principle is not sound, in any other endeavour a contract is a contract. If the principle were sound it would go the other way too and a player out-performing a deal should also have the right to void his contract to get a better one. The fact that the NFL has gotten away with non-guaranteed contracts well into the 21st century is a joke. So totally weighted in favour of the billionaires who own the teams. Injured? Out of luck son, you’re cut.

roy@SC · Aug 24, 2021

GRspurs11 said:
There is more rumours to McKennie, besides Fab. Can I post direct links from Italian sources? This new format confuses me. Maybe set up a thread for him?

A new player thread would be appreciated by me anyways if there are reliable links out there, don't think it's for this thread

mawspurs · Aug 24, 2021

spursfan77 · Aug 24, 2021

roy@SC said:
A new player thread would be appreciated by me anyways if there are reliable links out there, don't think it's for this thread

Romano said there is absolutely nothing in it.

I think that the players we end up signing now will just appear from nowhere like Sarr did.

YB123 · Aug 24, 2021

spursfan77 said:
Romano said there is absolutely nothing in it.

I think that the players we end up signing now will just appear from nowhere like Sarr did.

Yep fair point. Sarr and Gil have come from absolutely nowhere.

FloridaSpur · Aug 24, 2021

WorthATry said:
Dragon:

Plan for Metz kid is he is going back on loan

I cannot see anyway Kane goes now both Martínez and Florentina striker went up massively in price even if city wen to 150 it’s a terrible deal for us

re Tanguy he just does not care we cannot get him motivated , getting our money back and finding someone to pay him 200k a week is not going to be easy but that’s what we are trying to do

Regarding N'Dombele surely there is a way for an agreement to be reached by club and player to part ways?

Likely it's going to cost a lot of money but possibly not as much as him staying throughout the rest of his contract? I can't believe that he wants to remain at the club without any chance of game time?

Why is it that we appear to corner the market buying players like this? I am through with buying French players that turn out out to be *duff.

*Lloris excepted

wrd · Aug 24, 2021

FloridaSpur said:
Regarding N'Dombele surely there is a way for an agreement to be reached by club and player to part ways?

Likely it's going to cost a lot of money but possibly not as much as him staying throughout the rest of his contract? I can't believe that he wants to remain at the club without any chance of game time?

Why is it that we appear to corner the market buying players like this? I am through with buying French players that turn out out to be *duff.

*Lloris excepted

It's not that deep, he's been training with the team, has asked to leave, Nuno has said no problem you find a new club you can go, I'm not going to use a player whose not committed, if you don't find a move then you'll be reintegrated. He's made himself available for selection but Nuno has made the decision not to include.

He's not in the territory of Adebayor here.

Spurs_Bear · Aug 24, 2021

wrd said:
It's not that deep, he's been training with the team, has asked to leave, Nuno has said no problem you find a new club you can go, I'm not going to use a player whose not committed, if you don't find a move then you'll be reintegrated. He's made himself available for selection but Nuno has made the decision not to include.

He's not in the territory of Adebayor here.

Has Nuno said this? I think a lot of people are reading into what they want to read into with Ndombele. I think he leaves or he's playing against Colchester U23's and that's it.

And so far, that's sadly exactly where he is. In terms of output, attitude and high salary.

wrd · Aug 24, 2021

Spurs_Bear said:
Has Nuno said this? I think a lot of people are reading into what they want to read into with Ndombele. I think he leaves or he's playing against Colchester U23's and that's it.

And so far, that's sadly exactly where he is. In terms of output, attitude and high salary.

You think I'm reading into what I want by Ndombele then go onto suggest he'd be playing against the Colchester u23's? Really? He's training with the first team.

Spurs_Bear · Aug 24, 2021

wrd said:
You think I'm reading into what I want by Ndombele then go onto suggest he'd be playing against the Colchester u23's? Really? He's training with the first team.

He's not made one squad yet. Even in pre-season or when we took a load of kids to Portugal, does that not ring any alarm bells?

Any thoughts on the first part? Where is the reintegration statement?

Guntz · Aug 24, 2021

If we sign Aouar and Traore before the deadline + keep Kane - would that be a successful window?

I personally think it would.

Spurslove · Aug 24, 2021

WorthATry said:
Dragon:

Plan for Metz kid is he is going back on loan

I cannot see anyway Kane goes now both Martínez and Florentina striker went up massively in price even if city wen to 150 it’s a terrible deal for us

re Tanguy he just does not care we cannot get him motivated , getting our money back and finding someone to pay him 200k a week is not going to be easy but that’s what we are trying to do

I'm ashamed to say this because he's still currently one of our players, but he's becoming a nasty smell in the dressing room and the sooner we get rid of him for good, the far better off we'll be from a number of prospectives. A useless, lazy, expensive and totally unprofessional fraud.
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sausage · Aug 24, 2021

FloridaSpur said:
Regarding N'Dombele surely there is a way for an agreement to be reached by club and player to part ways?

Likely it's going to cost a lot of money but possibly not as much as him staying throughout the rest of his contract? I can't believe that he wants to remain at the club without any chance of game time?

We paid £54m two years ago, over a 6 year contract. If you assume that it was divvied over a 1 x 5 structure, 1/6th is £9m. So, by now, we've likely paid:
- July 2019: £9m "Deposit"
- July 2020: £9m (payment 1)
- July 2021: £9m (payment 2)

So we have paid £27m and owe £27m. Could well have been more or less up front, but likely around these numbers.

So, if he is on £200k until 2025, that's £10.4m per season - from this, he's probably cost £47.8m in fees and wages, with £30m left on his contract. The £47.8m is amortised by now, so the books don't care, but the rest of the contract + fee is still outstanding liability.

If you tear up his contact and he walks away with no further cost (won't happen), we're still £47.8m down. He'll immediately sign for someone else, as he's hardly a leper. Club are then still paying £27m over the next 3 years, whilst he's playing for some other club - meaning by 2025 he'll have cost £74.8m for what he's done so far.

IF we sell him and get someone to cover his wages, AND pay even half of what we did (say £30m), on a really naive/basic high level, he's off the books (fee and contract), and a token amount goes towards the kitty (reimbursing our investment a tad).

That's probably why we're going to want a cheaper, but still modest €50m - it would technically, maybe, add £14m back into our transfer funds, which isn't a million miles off the supposed values we're looking at. A 'free' Pape Sarr, if you will.

wrd · Aug 24, 2021

FloridaSpur said:
ITK:

"Tanguy he just does not care we cannot get him motivated"

I am sorry but i just cannot agree with you on this. You don't try and "reintegrate" a player who does not care. As a retired successful businessman i can honestly say that over the last thirty years i have trained many people who have exceeded my and their own expectations, but have found that it's impossible to train the right character into anyone. It cannot be trained, and N'Dombele just does not possess the right character.

Dragon has been known to flavour his ITK's based on his personal beliefs, particular as it pertains to Levy. I'm focusing on the facts and the fact is he's training with the first team. You're suggesting giving away/ a terminating the contract of a 50-60 million pound asset. That is ludicrous and if you wanna explain to me how that isn't then let's go to the Ndombele thread because I thought we was in there not this one.

GutBucket · Aug 24, 2021

Guntz said:
If we sign Aouar and Traore before the deadline + keep Kane - would that be a successful window?

I personally think it would.

If Aurier will be second RB then yes, can't have Doherty start any matches. Could use someone to fight for RB position so Tanganga doesn't get too comfortable too.

Yapptiestrap · Aug 24, 2021

We should be all over him

Spurslove · Aug 24, 2021

sausage said:
We paid £54m two years ago, over a 6 year contract. If you assume that it was divvied over a 1 x 5 structure, 1/6th is £9m. So, by now, we've likely paid:
- July 2019: £9m "Deposit"
- July 2020: £9m (payment 1)
- July 2021: £9m (payment 2)

So we have paid £27m and owe £27m. Could well have been more or less up front, but likely around these numbers.

So, if he is on £200k until 2025, that's £10.4m per season - from this, he's probably cost £47.8m in fees and wages, with £30m left on his contract. The £47.8m is amortised by now, so the books don't care, but the rest of the contract + fee is still outstanding liability.

If you tear up his contact and he walks away with no further cost (won't happen), we're still £47.8m down. He'll immediately sign for someone else, as he's hardly a leper. Club are then still paying £27m over the next 3 years, whilst he's playing for some other club - meaning by 2025 he'll have cost £74.8m for what he's done so far.

IF we sell him and get someone to cover his wages, AND pay even half of what we did (say £30m), on a really naive/basic high level, he's off the books (fee and contract), and a token amount goes towards the kitty (reimbursing our investment a tad).

That's probably why we're going to want a cheaper, but still modest €50m - it would technically, maybe, add £14m back into our transfer funds, which isn't a million miles off the supposed values we're looking at. A 'free' Pape Sarr, if you will.

Hmm. I think many might argue with you on that one, including me, and a bloody expensive leper he is too.

Regarding Pape Sarr, at only £14 million and a fraction of the £200,000 per week we're paying that useless fraud, we might be about to make a fantastic investment in our future, as well as signing a wonderful, creative and consistent playmaker for our strikers, something which Ndombele has never been in the three years since he got here.

I'll be watching him closely for Metz this season.
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septicsac · Aug 24, 2021

At some stage we got to face the facts that we are going to have to take a hit on some of our deadwood.
Winks, Sissoko and Doherty are going to bring in feck all, so let them go, albeit in full sale or subsiding their wages to make a loan deal work, they are no use here anyway and better someone paying some of their wages than us it all. Deadwood have been holding us back for yrs.
As for nDombele, just get out, you are a disgrace, if you cannot be motivated in a WC yr then when can you. Poch do the honourable thing and spend some of that grubby PSG money to undo this error.

Spurslove · Aug 24, 2021

Yapptiestrap said:
We should be all over him

Michael Bridge at Sky is a self confessed Tottenham fan, in case anyone wasn't sure. He's also VERY passionate about the club!
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Metalhead · Aug 24, 2021

Spurslove said:
Michael Bridge at Sky is a self confessed Tottenham fan, in case anyone wasn't sure. He's also VERY passionate about the club!
.

Is he really? Genuinely didn't know that.

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