It only makes the documentary pointless if the sole point was to show as full and accurate representation of reality as possible. As it happens I seriously doubt that was a intention of any of the major decision makers behind this project, let alone the sole intention. As you've mentioned money and/or related concerns like exposure, publicity, prestige etc. will be the main point of this documentary for all parties concerned - not just Levy but Amazon and those working on the documentary also. That said, Amazon and the creators will be aware of needing to make the programme watchable, exciting, and somewhat insightful so I'm sure it won't be a total damp squib, especially given the huge turmoil this season. They can't after all totally gloss over such seismic events as Pochettino's sacking, Mourinho's appointment and a global pandemic.
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It only makes the documentary pointless if the sole point was to show as full and accurate representation of reality as possible. As it happens I seriously doubt that was a intention of any of the major decision makers behind this project, let alone the sole intention. As you've mentioned money and/or related concerns like exposure, publicity, prestige etc. will be the main point of this documentary for all parties concerned - not just Levy but Amazon and those working on the documentary also. That said, Amazon and the creators will be aware of needing to make the programme watchable, exciting, and somewhat insightful so I'm sure it won't be a total damp squib, especially given the huge turmoil this season. They can't after all totally gloss over such seismic events as Pochettino's sacking, Mourinho's appointment and a global pandemic.
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It still startles me how neurotic united are about him, from reading the replies. RedCafe is the same.
You'd be hard pushed to believe that he's their most successful manager since Fergie retired in 2013, and actually has a record that is competitive to Fergie's over that small period (similar win%). I think win percentages need to be a lot higher now to achieve the same 'successes' as they did back then, due to the overall higher standards and competition. I actually don't think Fergie would have lasted any longer than Moyes if a time machine were involved, as there's little patience or understanding of that.
It was always predicted that Mourinho's personality was never going to suit that club, though, due to the way he says things
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Literally Ndombele
Trix
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So now imagine Roma saying We are under no circumstance selling Allison this window. He's just signed a new deal and we've already sold 2 first teamers pre window. Then VVD saying he was staying at Southampton because he knew his agent had set him up for his dream move to Barca in the next window.
Does Klopp then throw his toys out of the pram and say well no one else, fuck it I'll make do with what I have then rather than come up with alternatives?
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And that's what Poch did with Ndombele
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How did Eriksen react after Jan swing him?
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Well maybe yes because those are the two players who literally won them the CL and Premier League
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It still startles me how neurotic united are about him, from reading the replies. RedCafe is the same.
You'd be hard pushed to believe that he's their most successful manager since Fergie retired in 2013, and actually has a record that is competitive to Fergie's over that small period (similar win%). I think win percentages need to be a lot higher now to achieve the same 'successes' as they did back then, due to the overall higher standards and competition. I actually don't think Fergie would have lasted any longer than Moyes if a time machine were involved, as there's little patience or understanding of that.
It was always predicted that Mourinho's personality was never going to suit that club, though, due to the way he says things
They absolutely despise him lol - They are terrified he will do really well with Spurs because that will highlight that perhaps it wasn't Jose is the problem. As you say he was the most successful manager they have had since Fergie but if you read the things in redcafe you would see them trying to convince themselves that Ole has just had the best season they have had in years.
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In which case he’d have also won fuck all and maybe gone the way of Poch then sticking with keepers and centre backs he had.
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This is a flawed way of looking at it. What you need to do is take the points per game average and run that over the season. That would have put is on 44 points and left us in 13th or 14th depending on goal difference.
Running Mourinho's points per game across the season would have had us finish on 66 points and given us a final position of either 3rd or 4th depending on goal difference.
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He wouldn't have known that had he not been able to buy them in the first place now would he. He'd have gone for others. You honestly think he wouldn't when he knew they were the 2 glaring holes in his squad?
Jeez I give up.
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Ok so it was all Poch being stubborn and not DL not willing to front up the cash?
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Whilst Levy should shoulder some blame I think Poch should too. He never seemed to kick up any fuss when not getting his targets and made public comments backing Levy's transfer activity, or lack there of.
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Makes sense given some of the public statements from Poch on this to the effect that he didn't want to sign anyone unless they were going to make us better - that would still have left about 20 players per position we could have gone after.
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If alternatives are in the Nkoudou and Njie mould then absoultely yes.
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Yes but on the other hand you would also have expected Poch to come up with a list of each position that needs strengthening and alternatives.
What is being alluded to is that Poch stubbornly only wanted one specific player for a certain position, if Poch couldn’t be arsed to scout players he wanted that were gettable then he shares the blame.
He should have pinpointed defensive midfield and right back needed to be filled and had a list of options. He was the manager, not the head coach, the manager.
And is there evidence to suggest Nkoudou and Njie weren’t anything to do with him? I thought Nkoudou was very much wanted given amount of effort that went into getting him?
Seems lazy to me just blaming Levy for any duff signings such as above mentioned and Stamboulli. Not saying Levy isn’t accountable as well but trusted ITK has clearly said (and been agreed with by other trusted ITK) that Poch was being stubborn.
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Can someone explain something to me about what is understood in sport on what is attractive and exciting styles of play?
In Boxing, you have the Boxer that comes forward at every step, weaving from side to side and putting the opponent under constant pressure. This is commonly referred to as ugly walk-forward style, then you have the guy who is quick or has a great reach and reacts to his opponent's mistakes, he steps back and back, slips the jabs coming his way because he's too fast and then.....BAM, counter punches the opponent and takes the initiative and most likely the win. This evasive counter-punching style is the hallmarks of so many boxing greats.
In Rugby, you have a number of styles but mainly revolve around either "Defence and Kick" and "Pace and Attack". At the same time you can get variations to strategy like keeping the ball alive or kick and rush. But the most famous team of them all, New Zealand, always plays the same way: Mean defence and fast counter-attacking play from deep positions. They are arguably the most effective in defence and in attack and the most famous and attractive in style.
Even in basketball with its fast moving end to end style the most effective and commonly taught attacking strategy is "Less is more" - get the ball forward fast and get it to the most effective shooter.
So here is my question, since the dawn of football there have been many different styles but the current public view seems to be that we need to have possession to play attractive football. Why? Why do we seem to think that possession football is the only way of playing attractive football. What is so attractive about non-stop sideways passing that we've seen plenty of at times with Poch and moreso with AVB - it was often a stick to beat them with.
Even the modern-day inventor of what we call tiki-taka, Guardiola, said: “I hate tiki-taka. Tiki-taka means passing the ball for the sake of it, with no clear intention. And it's pointless. Don't believe what people say. Barça didn't do tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it!”
I'll repeat what Mourinho said in 2015: "What it is, is people who got some idea, some philosophy, and want to create something like 'We build very well from the back, we have a very good ball possession we don't play counter-attack, But if you don't play counter-attack then it's because you are stupid. Counter-attack is a fantastic item of football, an ammunition that you have, and when you find your opponent unbalanced you have a fantastic moment to score a goal. So I think people are creating (illusions) and it has influenced public opinion. But football will never change. Football is to win."
You look at Liverpool, City, Barca, Real, Spain, Brazil, Man Utd - all those sides that won many tournaments and were considered world beaters did so by doing what they did but doing it fast. Whether its possession or counter-attacking i feel people are missing the important most factor is the speed at which its done not the style itself. I'd rather us hone the counterattacking skills we seem set up for an become more lethal at it than try to play a boring possession game and boring the other team into submission
In Boxing, you have the Boxer that comes forward at every step, weaving from side to side and putting the opponent under constant pressure. This is commonly referred to as ugly walk-forward style, then you have the guy who is quick or has a great reach and reacts to his opponent's mistakes, he steps back and back, slips the jabs coming his way because he's too fast and then.....BAM, counter punches the opponent and takes the initiative and most likely the win. This evasive counter-punching style is the hallmarks of so many boxing greats.
In Rugby, you have a number of styles but mainly revolve around either "Defence and Kick" and "Pace and Attack". At the same time you can get variations to strategy like keeping the ball alive or kick and rush. But the most famous team of them all, New Zealand, always plays the same way: Mean defence and fast counter-attacking play from deep positions. They are arguably the most effective in defence and in attack and the most famous and attractive in style.
Even in basketball with its fast moving end to end style the most effective and commonly taught attacking strategy is "Less is more" - get the ball forward fast and get it to the most effective shooter.
So here is my question, since the dawn of football there have been many different styles but the current public view seems to be that we need to have possession to play attractive football. Why? Why do we seem to think that possession football is the only way of playing attractive football. What is so attractive about non-stop sideways passing that we've seen plenty of at times with Poch and moreso with AVB - it was often a stick to beat them with.
Even the modern-day inventor of what we call tiki-taka, Guardiola, said: “I hate tiki-taka. Tiki-taka means passing the ball for the sake of it, with no clear intention. And it's pointless. Don't believe what people say. Barça didn't do tiki-taka! It's completely made up! Don't believe a word of it!”
I'll repeat what Mourinho said in 2015: "What it is, is people who got some idea, some philosophy, and want to create something like 'We build very well from the back, we have a very good ball possession we don't play counter-attack, But if you don't play counter-attack then it's because you are stupid. Counter-attack is a fantastic item of football, an ammunition that you have, and when you find your opponent unbalanced you have a fantastic moment to score a goal. So I think people are creating (illusions) and it has influenced public opinion. But football will never change. Football is to win."
You look at Liverpool, City, Barca, Real, Spain, Brazil, Man Utd - all those sides that won many tournaments and were considered world beaters did so by doing what they did but doing it fast. Whether its possession or counter-attacking i feel people are missing the important most factor is the speed at which its done not the style itself. I'd rather us hone the counterattacking skills we seem set up for an become more lethal at it than try to play a boring possession game and boring the other team into submission
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Wasting your time mate. ITK, the chairman, the manager, journalists, well connected ex players and managers all saying the same thing is not the same level of evidence as the conspiracy theories in some fans heads.
At least said fans will all be off to Poch heaven hey.
Locotoro
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Exactly.
It's like saying "oh, we were 3 points behind Liverpool after 1 game so did poorer in the remaining 37 games because now we're 4 points behind"
Zero logic
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