Jose Mourinho

Timberwolf · Jun 25, 2020

wrd said:
I don't think anybody can argue that we haven't looked more solid over the past 2 games relative to the rest of the season. I'd also put forward and say that our moves in terms of switching the ball from attack to defence after a turnover have got a lot faster which is a good sign. I'd say reworking our defensive foundations was always going to be the first order of business as it should be for any team and the attack will hopefully come in time.

I haven't particularly enjoyed the football but have enjoyed the improvement of midfield 2 and the two CB's in terms of solidity even if it isn't perfect yet, it's a big step forward and it should give us hope that a reasonably good summer would vastly improve things further.

I'm very critical of Sissoko, but I think he's done an admirable job over these past 2 games and looks a solid option alongside Lo Celso.

However, I think our ability to switch from defence to attack would be so much better if we brought in a DM with a bit more of a passing game to get the ball upfield to Son, Kane and Berwijn as quickly as possible. Sissoko's passing is always a bit dodgy and he often gets it wrong or plays it extremely safe. Maybe someone like Hojbjerg could come in and do that job a lot better?

I think that kind of signing could potentially make our ugly, sterile football actually quite thrilling on the break if we get it right.

wrd · Jun 25, 2020

Timberwolf said:
I'm very critical of Sissoko, but I think he's done an admirable job over these past 2 games and looks a solid option alongside Lo Celso.

However, I think our ability to switch from defence to attack would be so much better if we brought in a DM with a bit more of a passing game to get the ball upfield to Son, Kane and Berwijn as quickly as possible. Sissoko's passing is always a bit dodgy and he often gets it wrong or plays it extremely safe. Maybe someone like Hojbjerg could come in and do that job a lot better?

I think that kind of signing could potentially make our ugly, sterile football actually quite thrilling on the break if we get it right.

Yeah exactly, I think both Winks and Sissoko looked significantly better defensively especially Sissoko, however that doesn't mean they didn't make mistakes and that we couldn't improve on them in the summer. Agree on the DM too, that's why I reckon a good summer and we'll see a vast improvement but we're seeing the early signs of improvement just from this little lockdown period even though we're putting square pegs in round holes and that is to Jose's credit.

Your last sentence is my sentiment too, I'm actually not a big fan of the suffocating possession by passing it around waiting for the opposing team to lose their shape for example what Spain do. I much prefer making the most of your possession by being incisive much like Liverpool did when they battered city a few years ago in the Champions League. I think when you're against lesser teams and have more dominating possession that you're still at your best in the changeover with the extra space afforded.

I do think however we should be braver and go for the throat when we have the chance a lot more which we didn't do against United, we were not attempting to do much in the changeover.

Ionman34 · Jun 25, 2020

enfieldyid said:
We did play a better brand of football but Levy never backed the manager at the vital point and it all fell apart. I am prepared to be bored for the next two years and be left in a worse state because we hired the man with the biggest ego in the world. West Ham and Man utd were both poor performances, against Man Utd we were lucky they could not finish, then against West Ham we fluked a goal and then we started to cut them apart.

Against Manu they had 2 clear chances, both saved. After that they created nothing of note, needing a penalty, that wasn't, to rescue a point.

We started cutting WH apart from the 35th minute, Son's disallowed goal was a result of that as was Moura's miss, where it was noted that even Darren Bent could have scored.

Add Kane's missed chances, 2 iirc, and we run out 4-0 winners at a canter.

What games were you watching? They obviously weren't ours.

King of Otters · Jun 25, 2020

buckley said:
Brendon Rodgers would be in the bottom three of the 20 premier league managers as a pick .
I may be wrong but I believe that man is so in love with himself that anything and everything else comes second to him .
That man is just one egotistical lump he obviously works out and spends many hours cleaning his teeth where as most other managers are a little overweight or at least not too fit because their main focus is getting their team right with him its secondary get himself looking pretty then concentrate on the team . I expect abuse for my thoughts but I have met the likes of him many times myself and I can tell you his type is not to be left alone with your missus I would not be surprised if he carries a Combe and a little mirror around with him .

Ok, now i'm intrigued. How many blokes have you innocently left alone with your missus only to find out they were banging her?

buckley · Jun 25, 2020

4 that I'm sure of

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 25, 2020

There are always different ways to look at situations and I have to say I’m trying to look more positively on have Jose Mouriniho as our manager than I did pre lockdown.

As some have said he’s not going anywhere anytime soon and I don’t agree that he will rip us apart and leave the squad a mess if anything I think he’s just helping to re-build it and having his experienced eye review the strengths and weaknesses of our squad can only be a good thing, so some positives to focus on:

•We’ve been far more solid the previous two games only coinciding one goal from a soft penalty decision

•We’ve limited our opponents to a low number of good chances and the team look organised defensively

•Jose asked for time and its seems to be slowly paying off as on early evidence of the re-start their is a clear positive difference and we look more like a ‘mouriniho team’

•Yes we’d all Love spurs to play like man.city and win every game and trophy but realistically we don’t have the players or manager to do that so mabye just mabye as hard as it might be for some, (me included) who are purists and prefer football to be played in a certain style especially at spurs ‘to dare Is to do’ well... perhaps us becoming more pragmatic might just be a good thing and mabye we can get to a point where we are 1-2/-0 up and instead of constantly shitting ourselves we will have a confidence of the team actually seeing out the result.

•Mouriniho is one of the most experienced and successful managers not just around now but ever so hopefully he’s teaching our players a thing or two and I think we’re already seeing the fruits of his labour in the defensive organisation and improvements on winks and Sissokos game etc

•We have all our players back fit and so have lots of options

•I saw some attacking patterns of play and I think once we become more solid he’ll then work more on this side of things but probably the right way to go about it focusing on improving the defensive side first and build from that base, oh and Kane is back

•I don’t like the park the bus approach but to be fair it is good having a plan A B and C and he clearly sets us up differently depending on the strengths and weaknesses of our opponents, some managers just play the way way regardless and that can work with klopp and pep but at the same time having different ways to play against different styles and levels of team can only be a good thing

•Jose is probably the best manager at using substitutions to change a game

•IF we can keep getting good results and players keep buying into what he’s doing which it seems to me bar ndombele a lot of them are, then there a chance we can build that seige mentality again that his teams have had in the past and if so that aura of invincibility and “oh shit we are playing Jose Mourinihos Tottenham today this won’t be easy” will start to help us in our quest to win a trophy

•IF we can be clever in the transfer market in summer and as Jose said make a few ‘tweaks’ let’s say 1x FB, 1x DM and 1x ST minimum which I really think Is achievable even in the current circumstances then I think we could be very very strong next season.

Not sure where this wave of positivity has come from, probably just happy to have the football back and for us to be unbeaten in two matches haha but hey I’m starting to try and look at some of the many positives. I’m quite an impatient person as are most football fans but perhaps we do just need to trust in Jose and keep giving him time.

How do others feel on this?
COYS

ClintEastwould · Jun 25, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Im convinced he’ll be our next manager. Have been since Poch was sacked. I think the only reason we didn’t get him was because it was mid season and he’d only just joined.

Rangnick has now left Leipzig, who’s to say that won’t hasten his departure?

Plus they really seem to have a problem with us looking at their social media. A very strange Leicester stalker like inferiority complex with us.

Haha really what have they said. Chelsea are classless twats on Twitter as well.

shelfboy68 · Jun 25, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
There are always different ways to look at situations and I have to say I’m trying to look more positively on have Jose Mouriniho as our manager than I did pre lockdown.

As some have said he’s not going anywhere anytime soon and I don’t agree that he will rip us apart and leave the squad a mess if anything I think he’s just helping to re-build it and having his experienced eye review the strengths and weaknesses of our squad can only be a good thing, so some positives to focus on:

•We’ve been far more solid the previous two games only coinciding one goal from a soft penalty decision

•We’ve limited our opponents to a low number of good chances and the team look organised defensively

•Jose asked for time and its seems to be slowly paying off as on early evidence of the re-start their is a clear positive difference and we look more like a ‘mouriniho team’

•Yes we’d all Love spurs to play like man.city and win every game and trophy but realistically we don’t have the players or manager to do that so mabye just mabye as hard as it might be for some, (me included) who are purists and prefer football to be played in a certain style especially at spurs ‘to dare Is to do’ well... perhaps us becoming more pragmatic might just be a good thing and mabye we can get to a point where we are 1-2/-0 up and instead of constantly shitting ourselves we will have a confidence of the team actually seeing out the result.

•Mouriniho is one of the most experienced and successful managers not just around now but ever so hopefully he’s teaching our players a thing or two and I think we’re already seeing the fruits of his labour in the defensive organisation and improvements on winks and Sissokos game etc

•We have all our players back fit and so have lots of options

•I saw some attacking patterns of play and I think once we become more solid he’ll then work more on this side of things but probably the right way to go about it focusing on improving the defensive side first and build from that base, oh and Kane is back

•I don’t like the park the bus approach but to be fair it is good having a plan A B and C and he clearly sets us up differently depending on the strengths and weaknesses of our opponents, some managers just play the way way regardless and that can work with klopp and pep but at the same time having different ways to play against different styles and levels of team can only be a good thing

•Jose is probably the best manager at using substitutions to change a game

•IF we can keep getting good results and players keep buying into what he’s doing which it seems to me bar ndombele a lot of them are, then there a chance we can build that seige mentality again that his teams have had in the past and if so that aura of invincibility and “oh shit we are playing Jose Mourinihos Tottenham today this won’t be easy” will start to help us in our quest to win a trophy

•IF we can be clever in the transfer market in summer and as Jose said make a few ‘tweaks’ let’s say 1x FB, 1x DM and 1x ST minimum which I really think Is achievable even in the current circumstances then I think we could be very very strong next season.

Not sure where this wave of positivity has come from, probably just happy to have the football back and for us to be unbeaten in two matches haha but hey I’m starting to try and look at some of the many positives. I’m quite an impatient person as are most football fans but perhaps we do just need to trust in Jose and keep giving him time.

How do others feel on this?
COYS

I would rather win a pragmatic 1-0 or 2-0 than see us lose 4-5, only for people to say "I was bloody well entertained today well done chaps"

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 25, 2020

Tottenhamboys said:
Have it on very good authority that the club approached Brendon Rodgers and briefly spoke with Naglesman (RB Leipzig manager) before Jose. Neither were interested at the time. Jose and Ancelloti were then considered. Ancelloti interviewed terribly and ‘came across as though he was doing us a favour’ and Jose quickly became first choice. Not saying out of the 4 that Jose was last choice, but him and Ancelloti were only approached after Rodgers and Naglesman said no. Poch was in exit talks (compensation etc) for over three weeks before his sacking was announced by the club. We played a game in that period.

Wow amazing info thanks for sharing. Good to see we were looking at 4 very good options all have their strengths and weaknesses, I can see that with Anchelotti being a bit arrogant whereas I think this was exactly the opportunity that Jose was waiting for and so he will have come across keen as mustard and knowing Jose I’m sure he’d have produced a dossier on our strengths and weaknesses and how he can be successful with us.

Id have loved nagglesman and I think Rogers would’ve been a decent fit with the way we want to play football and he’s a top top manager, quite underrated but as a package aside from the rather negative football at times I think Jose is probably the best choice out of the 4, although nagglesman I think would’ve done well with us but he’s more of a risk.

my order of preference would’ve been:
1. nagglesman
2. Jose
3. Rogers
4. Anchelotti

really insightful though thanks so much for sharing and the poch compensation thing for a few weeks makes complete sense and is along the lines of what I heard as well when j shared insights of the mood behind the scenes and how all was not right since the CL final and even a bit before that.

(Not a Q obviously) but it makes me wonder if Eddie Howe was spoken to at all or was even on a shortlist or 2nd list as lots of rumours saying that one of the directors is a big fan of his but as soon as Jose became available and now as you’re saying certain other options weren’t available then Jose was n.o 1 target and we went all out for him.

looking forward to the amazon doc , I hope there is some behind the scenes with levy and scenes on squad management and financial planning etc like city and Sunderland and Leeds all had in theirs so we can get a glimpse of what levy is really like.

great info.
COYS

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 25, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
I would rather win a pragmatic 1-0 or 2-0 than see us lose 4-5, only for people to say "I was bloody well entertained today well done chaps"

Yea I was chatting to my old man about this and we said it’s a bit of a balance right because if you play such boring negative anti Posession football Where you’re bored for 90 mins but get a draw and over a season we finish let’s say 3rd but win no trophies whereas we could play swashbuckling Nerve wracking 5-4 matches, win some lose some and finish 4th with 10 points less then each outcome are pretty similar and I’d take the 2nd one all day long but if you say playing like option 1 we come 3rd but win the fa cup and get to the final of the league cup let’s say then yea sure I’ll probably take that all day long and I’ll put up with it over a season if I can see it leads to success as ultimately the feeling of winning after a game and the next day is better than being entertained and drawing but there is a balance to it which is why I’ve always said I have no issues with Jose playing like we did vs man.u and man.city and Liverpool as we got a win and two draws I think out of three very tough games but the key is as long as we play more positively in the other games like we did recently against West Ham then I’m happy with that balance

shelfboy68 · Jun 25, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
Yea I was chatting to my old man about this and we said it’s a bit of a balance right because if you play such boring negative anti Posession football Where you’re bored for 90 mins but get a draw and over a season we finish let’s say 3rd but win no trophies whereas we could play swashbuckling Nerve wracking 5-4 matches, win some lose some and finish 4th with 10 points less then each outcome are pretty similar and I’d take the 2nd one all day long but if you say playing like option 1 we come 3rd but win the fa cup and get to the final of the league cup let’s say then yea sure I’ll probably take that all day long and I’ll put up with it over a season if I can see it leads to success as ultimately the feeling of winning after a game and the next day is better than being entertained and drawing but there is a balance to it which is why I’ve always said I have no issues with Jose playing like we did vs man.u and man.city and Liverpool as we got a win and two draws I think out of three very tough games but the key is as long as we play more positively in the other games like we did recently against West Ham then I’m happy with that balance

I would agree with that, Jose's teams are capable of some good stuff but it is balanced off with high levels of work rate and solid defending.
He does tailor the tactics to suit the opposition if he needs to, in fact he is quite flexible in his approach, which not many give him credit for he as he is just see as park the bus Jose.

fishhhandaricecake · Jun 25, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
I would agree with that, Jose's teams are capable of some good stuff but it is balanced off with high levels of work rate and solid defending.
He does tailor the tactics to suit the opposition if he never to, in fact he is quite flexible in his approach, which not many give him credit for he is just see as park the bus Jose.

Yep spot on mate. This is why I think it’s crucial we do try to get him some players as to play his style and to be flexible depending on the opponent then he does need a ‘rich bench’ as he called it, he won’t need all £50m world beaters but he needs enough fit quality players in all areas to be able to adapt to each opponent and it’s on really now he’s almost got that I mean we are still short one striker and we are a kane or lamela injury away from being very light in the attacking department again but luckily not many games left in this season and all quite quick succession but it’s something we need to address in the summer and get in 100% a 2nd striker and probably another AM if possible or make sure lamela can 100% stay fit for 80% of the season not just a few games here and there.

shelfboy68 · Jun 25, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
Yep spot on mate. This is why I think it’s crucial we do try to get him some players as to play his style and to be flexible depending on the opponent then he does need a ‘rich bench’ as he called it, he won’t need all £50m world beaters but he needs enough fit quality players in all areas to be able to adapt to each opponent and it’s on really now he’s almost got that I mean we are still short one striker and we are a kane or lamela injury away from being very light in the attacking department again but luckily not many games left in this season and all quite quick succession but it’s something we need to address in the summer and get in 100% a 2nd striker and probably another AM if possible or make sure lamela can 100% stay fit for 80% of the season not just a few games here and there.

I'm resigned to the club bringing in next to nothing, but I suppose we just don't know what the club intend to do if anything.
Certainly if they back him I reckon with good organisation added to it we might threaten the top four again.

bat-chain · Jun 25, 2020

So painful getting our arses handed to us by the likes of Frank Lampard and Solskjar, think that's the most painful part of where we are now. No one would want them managing us over Pochettino or Mourinho.

And yet we will likely finish behind both having been in the Champions League final a year ago.

How have we managed this I will never know.

Metalhead · Jun 25, 2020

bat-chain said:
So painful getting our arses handed to us by the likes of Frank Lampard and Solskjar, think that's the most painful part of where we are now. No one would want them managing us over Pochettino or Mourinho.

And yet we will likely finish behind both having been in the Champions League final a year ago.

How have we managed this I will never know.

We know why - squad wasn’t refreshed when it needed to be and downward spiral from there. Got to look onwards and upwards and hope that we keep slowly improving.

thebenjamin · Jun 25, 2020

Only upside of a season in the wilderness is we're not likely to lose any of our better players this summer - giving us a season to get back in CL before they all try and leave.

DiVaio · Jun 25, 2020

bat-chain said:
So painful getting our arses handed to us by the likes of Frank Lampard and Solskjar, think that's the most painful part of where we are now. No one would want them managing us over Pochettino or Mourinho.

Yeah because Poch/Mourinho are better managers than Lampard or Solskjaer.

rossdapep · Jun 25, 2020

Timberwolf said:
I'm very critical of Sissoko, but I think he's done an admirable job over these past 2 games and looks a solid option alongside Lo Celso.

However, I think our ability to switch from defence to attack would be so much better if we brought in a DM with a bit more of a passing game to get the ball upfield to Son, Kane and Berwijn as quickly as possible. Sissoko's passing is always a bit dodgy and he often gets it wrong or plays it extremely safe. Maybe someone like Hojbjerg could come in and do that job a lot better?

I think that kind of signing could potentially make our ugly, sterile football actually quite thrilling on the break if we get it right.

Sissoko's biggest problem is he doesn't know what he's going to do with the ball before he gets it. He's great at powering forward and muscling players off him but the ball has to arrive with him before he knows what to do.

You're absolutely right, a midfielder who knows exactly where he will pass it before it's landed at his feet will be invaluable in this set up and will really help us create more in transition.

rossdapep · Jun 25, 2020

DiVaio said:
Yeah because Poch/Mourinho are better managers than Lampard or Solskjaer.

Lampard is getting better to be fair.

Still think Solskjaer is benefitting from being able to spend big.

Johnny J · Jun 25, 2020

rossdapep said:
Sissoko's biggest problem is he doesn't know what he's going to do with the ball before he gets it.

That and his shocking technique. I love the guy's attitude tho.

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