Metalhead
But that's a debate for another thread.....
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you'd love Brendan 'David Brent' Rodgers as manager - just admit it.
Jose Mourinho
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walworthyid
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But do you honestly believe that it is just about winning? It is about so much more. Even if you disagree and believe that it is just about winning, it must also then be about being able to sustain winning. Jose plays in a way that I do not believe will lead to sustained success. Yes, he may win something next season, but what about after that? If your play requires that you sit back and soak up pressure, eventually you are going to come unstuck.
Apart from all of that, my belief is that you go out and win games not wait for mistakes from the other team. I want to watch good, proactive football not this passive rubbish that is being served up.
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Who cares about the monkey? it’s all about the organ grinder.
spursfan77
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He didn't like it at Man U as he was misled over transfers. With Levy both men have said they know what the deal is.
BringBack_leGin
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Was yesterday passive rubbish? it may not have been 1970 Brazil, but we bossed every attacking metric, from possession to territorial superiority to chances created to corners won and passes completed. We definitely were not just so’s king up pressure and waiting for mistakes, and until our fortuitous opened had 4 very good chances to open the scoring,
Depends I guess. Individually the back 4 at the moment is hardly great. Sanchez has been solid in individual games at times. Dier used to be a great DM. Davies is OK and Aurier has always struggled defensively. Add to that no DM and I think we have looked really solid the last two games considering who is playing.
I'm generally speaking a fairly positive minded person. I still think Sanchez can become a great defender (when he is not in possession). Mourinho might even have convinced me that maybe Dier can play as a CD. Aurier doesn't look completely lost at the moment and Davies is fine as a "boring" LB. Even so I don't think any of those four are top class PL defenders at the moment so expecting top class defending would be a bit odd. If we can get very good defending from that I would give Mourinho a lot of the credit.
rossdapep
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Yeah that's the point I was trying to make.
He knows the limitations we have and when he got Bergwijn instead of his first choice he didn't get moody about it. And the fact that Bergwijn has turned out to be a good signing is a big positive because it builds more trust between them.
I think Jose s first signing at United was Mkhitaryan, and Mourinho was never convinced with him.
Eric Bailly was Mourinho's first signing for United.
His transfers there don't make me confident about our future transfers:
The 11 players signed for Manchester United by Jose Mourinho rated
Eleven players were signed during Jose Mourinho's tenure as Manchester United manager - here's a look at how they have performed
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Metalhead
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Will be have sole control over transfers? He certainly won't have the same budget.Eric Bailly was Mourinho's first signing for United.
His transfers there don't make me confident about our future transfers:
The 11 players signed for Manchester United by Jose Mourinho rated
Eleven players were signed during Jose Mourinho's tenure as Manchester United manager - here's a look at how they have performed
Shadydan
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Eric Bailly was Mourinho's first signing for United.
His transfers there don't make me confident about our future transfers:
The 11 players signed for Manchester United by Jose Mourinho rated
Eleven players were signed during Jose Mourinho's tenure as Manchester United manager - here's a look at how they have performed
It's been well publicised that he wasn't in control of some of those transfers, I wouldn't read into that too much tbh.
Did he have at United?
As far as I'm aware how the club identify targets and sign players isn't public knowledge. I assume the manager would have some input but as the average duration of a manager is only slightly longer than 2 years so I hope its not solely their call.
One of the problems of not having a director of football is that every time we get a new manager we have to rebuild the squad to their liking (which is pretty pointless as they are likely to be sacked in the not to distant future).
walworthyid
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In the first 30 minutes it was quite even. Then we slowly took over and pressed them back. They lacked ambition and didn't really push forward. But it was all very predictable and slow. We struggled to create much. I personally do not think that is how we should be playing.
We were playing against an awful team who let us do what we wanted. It was not great in my opinion.
rossdapep
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Ok. Forgive me. I think Bailly was indeed one of his picks though and he would have been top of it wasn't for injuries. Which only added frustration for him. Get the CB you want, he them can hardly ever play, so you ask for another and get told it's not possible.Eric Bailly was Mourinho's first signing for United.
His transfers there don't make me confident about our future transfers:
The 11 players signed for Manchester United by Jose Mourinho rated
Eleven players were signed during Jose Mourinho's tenure as Manchester United manager - here's a look at how they have performed
It's quite clear that he had a bit of an open cheque book but wasn't given free reign over who he wanted. It always felt like he had to compromise. For example, he could have Zlatan but has to take Pogba instead of whoever else he preferred. And then once these players didn't live up to expectations, he rightly demanded changes. I'm sure he made some bad signings himself but I also think he was comparing his situation to Pep, who seemed to be able to sign whoever he wanted and then when the likes of Bravo failed, he was allowed to spend 50m on Ederson. And remember Jose was tasked with taking the crown from City. Therefore he was rightly pissed that the board didn't stick to promises.
Obviously, he's unlikely to have free reign here either but at least with our commuter he'll be able to express his opinion strongly. Also, I doubt the club will chase the big signings to appease shareholders, they will both want the practical signing.
If he Jose was talking aboit wholesale changes and saying we need new players Id be really worried. But he's much more focused on what we have now, which is really really good to see.
BringBack_leGin
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First 23 minutes. We were on top pretty much from the end of the guest water break.
I agree it wasn’t great, but it was never going to be, this side is a way away from having the rhythm and familiarity to play as these players we should. However, I was merely providing retort to your assertion that we were passive and just waited for mistakes as that was clearly not the case.
DogsOfWar
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Our points per game under Poch was I believe 1.16 whilst under Jose it's been 1.63.
Over a season that would have been 44 points compared to 62 points, a considerable difference and we'd also be knocking on the door of 4th at the moment.
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It was certainly nothing to boast about. It was bland, lacking creativity and ideas and it looked like we didn't really know how to build an attack. Kane wasn't getting involved, Son was greatly ineffective out wide, Lucas crowded out in the middle and Dele being Dele. The only real outlet that looked any bit effective was Aurier out on the right and we need more than that.
In saying all that though and admittedly after reading a few comments and people's observations plus some of Jose's comments, it's not as doom and gloom as I thought. To me it does clearly look like the defence has improved and we limited West Ham and United over the two games to limited chances. In fact Rashford, James and Martial were barely noticeable in that first game. The good thing is that Jose has said that he wanted to first and foremost sort out the defence and he knows there's work to do on the attacking side, which is a positive. He's done this without the personal in defence that he wants that consists of a somewhat dodgy RB, an occasionally shaky CB in Sanchez, a player who's played more in midfield for us in Dier and a fairly/arguably average LB in Davies. Plus without a DM and a team that looked like conceding every game, or were conceding every game. If he can find the balance and actually get us any bit flowing when moving the ball and attacking we may see the sort of transformation that some may have envisioned after his appointment.
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I think you're going to have to get used to it I'm afraid.
However, I also think that when we settle on a solid first 11 - something we couldn't really do initially under Jose due to injuries - we will see an improvement in our attacking play.
If you look at Jose's recent successful periods at Chelsea and United he's had a very clear first team. When he started to do badly it was when he was experimenting with different formations and lineups in search of something that clicked.
I can see a similar pattern here, albeit in reverse. He started out with a clear plan then had to rip that up due to injuries. We than had 2 months of flailing around with all sorts of experimental/makeshift lineups, none of which really worked. Now, after the break, it looks like Jose has more or less found his starting 11.
With time and familiarity, you have to hope that our attacking play will improve: the players will better understand the system, the responsibilities and the types of runs to make. Lo Celso, Kane and Bergwijn have all barely played together. These things will take some time.
But generally speaking, we're gonna be more boring and conservative to watch compared to the Poch days. That's just the Mourinho way.
Fingers crossed it will be worth it.
WiganSpur
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The sample size is growing every game but based off PPG we've shown improvement. 1.17 for 12 games under Poch and 1.63 for the 19 league games under Jose. Extrapolate that form over the 31 games and we're currently roughly a point above United in 5th.
Now you can say Jose's had a couple of players brought in which is true, but i'd argue of those only Bergwijn has had any significant impact and I still think the injury factor is stronger considering the quality of the players missing and the length of time.
Whilst i'd have been hoping for better under Jose there has been definite improvement.
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Metalhead
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Is there not a transfer committee at the club anymore?
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