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only thing left to do is pick up the pieces and start anew this summer. we've almost certainly got him for 2 more years.
*EastEnders drums start playingEither way he has a problem
I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.No one is mate, no one can be, but by the same token no one can be sure he's the wrong man...it's just lazy, pre-conceived nonsense from the fans who are just fucking itching to say 'I was right' just 4 months into his tenure.
I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.
Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.
Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwardsSurely it's worth creating a separate thread for those who see him as the devil and c
Key word in your post being 'year'. Let's see if you are still moaning then!
Can I have the lottery numbers for Tuesday whilst you are on a roll?I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
Honest question Nick, do u want him to succeed here? or is that doomsday scenario you just painted what u want to happen?I genuinely don’t see him being here 12 months from now. It’ll go sour between now and the end of the season, toxic over the summer and nuclear to the point of no return by Christmas. He will be much richer, blame the ‘culture at Spurs’ or some such statement to ensure that he retains some credibility over at Chelsea and we will have wasted 2 seasons and gone backwards
He's right. We need to dust off the old time machine and go back to November and not sack him. It's the only way!I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.
Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
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But levy said there is no evidence to support this so man city, Chelsea, utd, real Madrid and Barcelona do not spend to be ambitious, thanks Mr levy you certainly have not insulated your customers intelligence with that.
I think it's clear that unless we literally don't win a game for the rest of the season and get dragged into a relegation scrap, Mourinho is going to get a full summer and transfer window before he gets judged properly. Maybe when he gets Kane and Son back and brings in a couple of players then we'll morph into this entirely new side. Until then, there are a some serious red flags.
1. The defence has been absolutely atrocious. Kane and Son being injured should have no bearing on our ability to put out a coherent, organised backline. Just three clean sheets in the league since he joined, with the likes of Sheffield Utd, Wolves and Crystal Palace having lower goals conceded columns - we are closer to the worst defensive record in the league than we are to Sheffield Utd. Are our defensive players really all that bad? Are they that much worse than those clubs? We have some very highly rated and expensively signed players in our squad, is this really as good as they can get before we start trying to buy our way out of trouble?
2. The attack is also crap. It's just diabolical to watch. We just aren't creating enough chances. Football is a simple game, and in general those teams who create the most also scored the most over the course of the season. We're not doing it, and that doesn't look like changing any time soon. The movement of our attacking players is crap, their touches in and around the box seem way off and to be honest it just looks like poor coaching to me. I think I remember reading about how much time Klopp spends training his teams on attacking moves, I just don't see any evidence of that at all.
3. He doesn't appear to have a clue what his best XI is. Yes, we've had a lot of games and have needed to rotate, and yes, we've had a lot of injuries, but there's just no consistency to our systems or personnel. Again, maybe this changes in summer, but at the moment it's just a disorganised mess.
We're not the first team to have injuries in our squad, nor is there going to be this magical season when everyone gets fit and stays fit for the entire season. The fact that we are coping so badly with the loss of Kane and Son shows as much as anything else a loser's mentality throughout the squad, instead of standing up and making themselves counted the mindset just seems to be a "well what could I do? Not my fault guv". I'll remind you all that last season Liverpool took on Barcelona when 3-0 down with Salah and Firmino both out injured and Robertson going off at half time - we all remember how that ended and it wasn't with them moaning about injuries.
Like I said at the beginning, it's hard to see much changing before the summer at which point we'll get to REALLY judge this side, but at the moment this is arguably the least enjoyable season of the past 15 years. At least Sherwood had us in the top 6...
are you being deliberately thick? Someone else made the comparison about why give one time and not the other, it isn’t that hard.
Mourinho has been left behind by modern football, he hasn’t developed a front foot style in 20 years, he's too afraid to have his teams go out attack anyone. Not Burnley, not Norwich, not Leipzig, not Southampton.
To put it another way, imagine he had been in charge of Burnley yesterday, would he have come at us and dominated as they did, he'd have played a flat back six and hoped to nick something. That’s it that’s all he has.
There is a level of delusion or dishonesty amongst our fans that something good is bound to happen if we give it time because it’s Mourinho but if you examine the way he plays, there is almost no evidence of that being successful today in 2020.
Liverpool, Man City, Wolves, Leeds, Sheffield Utd, Chelsea, Leicester. None of the best teams in England today are sitting in and hoping to steal a result. Playing flat back 5's, at Burnley, surrendering initiative in games.
i like it, a comedian.
I agree, Jose has a great record, so based on that what is wrong with having high expectations and holding him to that? He said he's special no one else.
It must concern you even if you are not willing to say it aloud that Solskjar schooled him, it must concern you that Lampard did it...twice. I agree with you wholeheartedly his record grinds them into the dirt. They are not fit to lace his boots.
When you watched Pochettino’s Spurs smash his team at Old Trafford last season, or at Wembley the season before or at the Lane before that. When you watched Klopp put him out of his misery at Anfield when he was at Utd. Somewhere deep inside you must have thought 'I don’t think Jose's quite as good as he was'?
Surely it's OK to say this and think it, it is a fact that the way teams play has altered hugely from the era in which Jose had his early success? That is surely undeniable, the world changes. Were he not Spurs manager would anyone be attacking my points at all?
It's not a case of resisting. It's the tactics being employed. I'm not buying this garbage of we have injuries so we can't play football.
Look at the players we have available. Are you telling me Wolves, Burnley Norwich and Watford have that many first teamers that can get ahead of our players currently playing and our bench?
Wolves - Adama
Burnley - nobody
Norwich - Cantrell, Aarons, Lewis
Watford - Capoue?
Those players I would love us to sign, but not one of those teams had more than 3 players that should be playing for us. So why are we treating them like they are the superior teams?
Right now JM is the most negative managers in the league. I don't care what he says about the players but it's clear he doesn't want to play football. If he isn't going to trust Toby, GLC, Lamela, Lucas, Winks and Alli to play football then who is he going to trust? Does he think only Son and Kane can play football? Is Sissoko now the only midfielder that we trust with a pass?
No. None of that is the case.
The first 3 games showed he can release our attacking side. Those 3 games showed work on our defending. But now we only attack if we losing? What is the point of that?
The more training sessions JM has, the more negative we get. Why curb our attacking when it's clear we can't defend? We nullify the one thing we good at.
Please don't say it's a lack of attackers. Lucas, Bergwijn and Alli are still there. JM needs to adapt the attack slightly not stop it. I appreciate the is the whole new system coming next season, but then why introduce a whole negative system that simply isn't working? Why not train in that new system now. It's not possible that he has this new system and none of the players he has at his disposal are capable of adapting to it. I simply cannot believe that because that means we need 25 new players next season.
It's just so frustrating seeing a team with Lucas, GLC, Alli, Bergwijn and Lamela literally not being allowed to play.
And no, I have not only been supporting spurs through the good years. It's been 31 years supporting Spurs, I lived through the relegation battles, cup final losses and George Graham anti-football.
How much would it cost to sack him ?
Here's my post (that I can't quote as the thread is locked) in the 'Who to replace Poch with' thread on Oct 27 after, I think, the Liverpool game:
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Poch obviously. I have tried to stay off SC for a few weeks to avoid the anti-poch nonsense.
But we could have won today. Could easily have been 2-0 and then see the game out. It doesn't cross mind to change manager. Look at a graph of our success over the last 30 years. Anybody who thinks we should change manager after 6-7 months of poor league form mixed in with a CL run to final is clearly smoking crack
And while we're here, Mourinho's anti-football is a busted flush. It only works by packing your team with massive athletes and 3 world class attackers who score from nothing. And as soon as he inevitably alienates the entire team when his shit tactics don't work he's in the departure lounge waiting to get his suitcase full of cash
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I am not saying I am the only one who predicted this but this is almost exactly the way it's going. His tactics don't work and he constantly moans about the squad not being good enough. They will eventually turn on him if they haven't already.
And everybody can clearly see what Poch was getting out of the players with minimal help from the board
Hello Mr One Issue Poster I see you are it again.I can. We had the right man but did not back him and he got irritated. We sacked the man he brought in to help build the squad.
Jose Mourinho is well past it he has never been the same since he was not as Successful as Madrid needed him to be.
Good post and agree with the principles of it mate BUT A LOT of Wolves players would get in our team right now.