Jose Mourinho

LeParisien · Mar 6, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
What do any of you think Poch would’ve done differently in this situation? We were 14th in the table, eliminated by Colchester in the EFL Cup, he’d allegedly lost the dressing room, we’d been on the backend of an absolute battering at home to Bayern, we’d only won once away from home in an entire calendar year and that was with a mostly fresh squad, nowhere near the level of injuries we have now.

I’m putting anyone on ignore who stupidly argues that he “deserved time”.

Your argument is flawed. If poch wouldn’t have done anything any differently then we shouldn’t have spent all that money getting similar results.

My actual view is that if Pochs time had come (on the fence about that) then Mou wasn’t the solution.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 6, 2020

aussiespursguy said:
You have changed man. Really changed!

Who are you?

Edit: meh who cares, no point in stirring the pot more.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 6, 2020

I don't think its the summer recruitment that will change things for us, it will be the full preseason. The recruitment will be important, but the most important thing is time to implement his ideas and to get the team gelling and playing attractive football again.

This defensive approach we are seeing is due to squad shortage and I highly doubt Mourinho wants to keep this style of football for next season. It's merely a means to an end.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 6, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
I don't think its the summer recruitment that will change things for us, it will be the full preseason. The recruitment will be important, but the most important thing is time to implement his ideas and to get the team gelling and playing attractive football again.

This defensive approach we are seeing is due to squad shortage and I highly doubt Mourinho wants to keep this style of football for next season. It's merely a means to an end.

I think it'll have to.

We're lacking depth and youth in certain positions. The hope I take is the fact everyone we've been linked to has been of a certain age bar center back.

I'm of the opinion that with Mourinho's links in football, like the Gedson deal, we see more of that. The squad needs it.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 6, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
I think it'll have to.

We're lacking depth and youth in certain positions. The hope I take is the fact everyone we've been linked to has been of a certain age bar center back.

I'm of the opinion that with Mourinho's links in football, like the Gedson deal, we see more of that. The squad needs it.

Oh definitely, as I said it is important, but above that is the time to implement ideas and tactics, that will be the real change we need.

We do need bodies in the door to freshen things up and I would be happy with 4/5 signings of varying degrees, from youth to first team players depending on our needs. Give me the two Norwich fullbacks, a decent DM to compliment Skipp and a striker to fill in for Kane, everything else will be gravy.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 6, 2020

-Afri-Coy- said:
Oh definitely, as I said it is important, but above that is the time to implement ideas and tactics, that will be the real change we need.

We do need bodies in the door to freshen things up and I would be happy with 4/5 signings of varying degrees, from youth to first team players depending on our needs. Give me the two Norwich fullbacks, a decent DM to compliment Skipp and a striker to fill in for Kane, everything else will be gravy.

I worry about the ideas and tactics bit considering (at this time of posting) the Euro's are still set to go ahead. Obviously not as long as a World Cup, but still, have to factor it in. Let's just hope for an early exit for all out key players involved (semi joking)

Recruitment numbers seem to be set in most peoples eyes, five is the magic number, but I suppose we'll all believe it when we see it. Think that side of things will be fascinating due to how supposedly Mourinho will act if he doesn't get targets ... I still can't understand why people are so upset with him being here - he is a different level to anyone else we've had at the helm and pushes Levy and his M.O to the limit. Guess you can't please all of the people all of the time.

swarvsta · Mar 6, 2020

Did Poch ever lose 4 games in a row whilst in charge?

I only remember when we lost to Inter in 2018 it was 3.

Genuine question, my brother is claiming we did. I don’t think so, though?

Metalhead · Mar 6, 2020

swarvsta said:
Did Poch ever lose 4 games in a row whilst in charge?

I only remember when we lost to Inter in 2018 it was 3.

Genuine question, my brother is claiming we did. I don’t think so, though?

No idea love.

Shadydan · Mar 6, 2020

swarvsta said:
Did Poch ever lose 4 games in a row whilst in charge?

I only remember when we lost to Inter in 2018 it was 3.

Genuine question, my brother is claiming we did. I don’t think so, though?

Lost 4 league games in a row last season:

Burnley
Chelsea
Southampton
Liverpool

matthew.absurdum · Mar 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
Lost 4 league games in a row last season:

Burnley
Chelsea
Southampton
Liverpool

no there was an arsenal draw between them, but 1 point out of potential 18 still..
(And I remember the commentary said before the burnley game: mathematically, if we won all of the remaining games, we could win the premier league, well....)

irish doc · Mar 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
Lost 4 league games in a row last season:

Burnley
Chelsea
Southampton
Liverpool

In the middle of those , we drew with arsenal, but did lose 4 away league games in a row

Shadydan · Mar 6, 2020

matthew.absurdum said:
no there was an arsenal draw between them, but 1 point out of potential 18 still..
(And I remember the commentary said before the burnley game: mathematically, if we won all of the remaining games, we could win the premier league, well....)

Oh yeah so perhaps not then

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 6, 2020

We're going to lose an awful lot of posters on here when Poch gets re-employed.

jolsnogross · Mar 6, 2020

Shadydan said:
Oh yeah so perhaps not then

Perhaps. Haha

We also beat Dortmund away in the middle of that poor patch.

A bigger focus for Mourinho's future should be to emulate Pochs start to the same league season
WWWLLWWWWLWWWLWWWWWLWLWWWW
It tailed off, but still good enough for 4th and a CL final.

Metalhead · Mar 6, 2020

jolsnogross said:
Perhaps. Haha

We also beat Dortmund away in the middle of that poor patch.

A bigger focus for Mourinho's future should be to emulate Pochs start to the same league season
WWWLLWWWWLWWWLWWWWWLWLWWWW
It tailed off, but still good enough for 4th and a CL final.

Maybe we should all stop focusing on the Poch - Mourinho comparisons. I think that will continue for a while though unfortunately.

Timberwolf · Mar 6, 2020

rez9000 said:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see these things (not that I'm casting any aspersions on your intelligence, Darren), and yet here you are having to outline the bleeding obvious, AGAIN! The fact that you and so many others have to keep saying it over and over and over in the face of those who simply refuse to even acknowledge it is horrifying to watch, and I can only commend you for having the patience to keep doing it.

I'm all for debate and considering other points of view, but when the bleeding obvious is sat right in front of one's face, it's pretty exasperating to see things that, in the face of the plain evidence, simply make no sense.

For crying out loud, all it takes is a tiny amount of logic.

"He's a dinosaur" - you can't make that claim when he's recently won trophies. Nor if you consider the problems with the squad, nor with the fact that he's come in midseason and not had the opportunity to implement his systems and styles. Logic.

"He's not a long-term solution" - When fifteen of the Premiership's managers have been in post less than three years, it puts paid to the idea that any manager is expected to stay with a club for a long period. Logic.

"There are no green shoots" - that is to be expected, again given the fact that he's come in in mid-season and has a problematic squad. Logic.

"The football's turgid" - AGAIN, to be expected with the problems with the squad, the lack of options and the fact that coming in mid-season, he can't apply his system or style in any significant way. Bloody logic!

Over and over and over, we have to keep saying the same things. Some oil seems to be poured onto troubled waters, things seem to get a little calmer and then someone pops up with some variation of one of the above statements and the whole thing churns again. Enough already!

Can anyone deny any of the things above? I challenge those desperate to piss all over the manager to show me examples where others have had the same issues and have overcome them in so short a space of time as Mourinho has had at the club. Point to the time when Nagelsmann took a depleted and seriously damaged squad and got them winning again within four months. Someone point to the time that Nuno joined a club midseason and got them playing exciting football when previously they hadn't been. Just a few examples. Come on, chaps - if you're so expert as to judge in the most excoriating terms, surely you have ideas that can back up your claims? While you're at it, perhaps you can also demonstrate how precisely you all know the ins and outs of what's happening at Spurs without drawing on rumour, journalist pap or supposition. Or maybe you can't because you're all far too busy in your jobs as professional football coaches...?

But maybe not that busy to avoid engaging in a little emotional blackmail like citing what other fans are saying about our situation. As if their opinion lends any weight to any part of the discussion.

What United fans say or laugh at about us isn't an issue. They don't know the ins and outs of our club, so aren't qualified to make any kind of statement, let alone the usual moronic ones that you'd expect from that bunch of entitled pricks.

What Chelsea fans have to say is even less relevant. They should stick to what they know best: trying to write their own names without assistance and being racist.

Seriously - enough! If you really care that much about the club, then you shouldn't need to be told that when times are hard you show more support, not less. That if you whine and moan when things are going badly, you're not being a supporter, you're being selfish because you're only thinking of what you want, what you expect, not what the club you purport to support needs.

Now, I feel it necessary to apologise for the harshness of my post. It's not because I dislike any of you (barring a couple I have on ignore). You are all part of my tribe, no matter our disagreements. But the toxicity is rising and we owe it to ourselves as well as the club we adore to be better than we're currently being.

Peace and love to you all.

100% agree that we should stand by the club and support Jose rather than just slagging him off.

However your main argument is basically "my opinion is bleeding obvious and everyone else is mad to think otherwise - it's logical!".

In Poch's last season many of us, myself included, defended him to the hilt and demanded more time due to all of the mitigating factors. We were tired from the world cup! The stadium was a distraction! We had injuries! Next season everything was bound to be fine and dandy.

We all know how that worked out.

Now I'm not saying we should sack Jose right now or expect him to win us the league - but I do think it's completely natural that some fans are expressing concern about what they're witnessing on the pitch. And you know what? They might be right. Jose might genuinely be past it and might not turn things around next season. But according you you even having that opinion is mad and illogical? No - it's just an opinion based on the evidence of his recent history at Man Utd and the caveman football we've been playing at times. Many Man Utd fans felt the same way as you do during Jose's reign - there were mitigating circumstances; he's a proven winner; the football will improve... Ask them what they think of him now.

Should we give him time? Yes.

Should we back the team as fans? Absolutely.

But are we illogical fools for thinking there's a chance Jose was a bad appointment? Not in the slightest.

Tweddled · Mar 6, 2020

fedupyid said:
What has Mourinho earned?
Nothing at Spurs, came in with lots of promises shown nothing

Why do we tolerate him?
He is a smug mercenary who shows no respect for the club and what we have done over the last few years.

In the first part of this you want to isolate what he has achieved with us and judge him based on that and none of his previous successes, before going on to judge him for your perception of his past. How does that make sense? You can't just take someone's career out of context to suit your dislike for a person you don't even know.

He's shown nothing apart from getting us a few extra points in the league. What exactly were you expecting?

In what way has he disrespected aything we've done in the last few years? That's a ridiculous thing to say. If anything, him achieveing nothing in the few months with us would surely be showing respect for what we've done in the last 12 years.

What exactly did he promise that he's failed to deliver? I don't see him promising us anything this season. Being confident, or believing or saying you're going to fight or push doesn't exactly count as a promise.

fedupyid said:
Why do people consider him a serial winner?
Yes he has won lots of trophies. Chelsea he outspent everyone. Inter it was after referee gate there were no other Serie A teams competing domestically and Real Madrid are Real Madrid. Then there is where his myth began Porto where he had one of the best players in the world Deco. So I get people’s argument here but it does not make up for the football that his teams play.

blitz · Mar 6, 2020

I dont see how we can judge Mourinho on this season at all. You only have to watch the games to see half the players are fucked which is why we can play well in short patches but cant sustain it, they look tired and we are seriously lacking options in the attacking areas.

We have attacking midfielders trying to fill in as forwards, we have had so many injuries, we have unsettled players, we have players that are declining, and we have a manager trying to sort this out mid season.

I keep reading "but we should have enough in this squad to beat Norwich or beat Southampton" and yes but when the squad is so disjointed, tired, incapable of playing at a faster tempo or pressing, and to be fair a good number of these so called better players are living off past reputations and need replacing.

Mourinho may prove not to be the one but he needs a pre season and full season. If it were up to the fans klopp would have been out during his 1st season and so would our last manager. They all need time

Spurs_Bear · Mar 6, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
We're going to lose an awful lot of posters on here when Poch gets re-employed.

Can we vote which ones? :cautious:

Shadydan · Mar 6, 2020

Anyone talks about Poch from now get's a slap on the wrist from Sissoko

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