Jose Mourinho

shelfboy68 · Mar 1, 2020

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Gotta ask, why do you always have a dig at the new stadium? We had an old stadium once and we were just as shit, what's the fucking point in having a dig at something that will be for all Spurs fans, whether you like Levy or not? It just seems like a proper bitter thing to say ...

Some fans are so fucking weird on certain things.

It's not a dig mate just emphasising that not all is bad we have a decent stadium and I like to inject humour into discussion these days, I used to get pissed by results these days I barely give a fuck about the situation I'm all good. (y)

For the love of Spurs · Mar 1, 2020

Trix said:
He's identified everything he believes we need in the summer(and it's not unrealistic). From what I hear we won't be reliant on one choice for each position either so that's a head start at least.

He has to be given that plus a pre season before he can really be judged imo.

Hopefully not CL or Europe qualification dependent.

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 1, 2020

shelfboy68 said:
It's not a dig mate just emphasising that not all is bad we have a decent stadium and I like to inject humour into discussion these days, I used to get pissed by results these days I barely give a fuck about the situation I'm all good.

Oh right.

Haha, good one!

shelfboy68 · Mar 1, 2020

For the love of Spurs said:
Hopefully not CL or Europe qualification dependent.

It would have to be we are not getting either.

Stamford · Mar 1, 2020

I'm in the minority but honestly don't think we deserved to lose that

matthew.absurdum · Mar 1, 2020

Stamford said:
I'm in the minority but honestly don't think we deserved to lose that

I won't say that but I am more frustrated with this match than the RB and Chelsea matches. I think we played much better today, hence the frustration

Deleted member 27995 · Mar 1, 2020

Stamford said:
I'm in the minority but honestly don't think we deserved to lose that

We didn't but people won't call it like that. People always call us lucky when we win - shame we're never unlucky.

JCRD · Mar 1, 2020

Stamford said:
I'm in the minority but honestly don't think we deserved to lose that

We didnt deserve to lose it but conversely we also didnt deserve to win at theirs - so it kinda evened itself out really

VancouverSpur · Mar 1, 2020

Jose is such a polarizing manager that as soon as we hit a rough patch it becomes toxic very quickly. I didn’t want him as manager but here he is so we have to give him a little bit of time.

My main issue is that he seems very much like Mourinho of old and his time away has done little to change that. Levy has had a hard on for him a while so let’s see if that turns into backing when it comes to the transfer window as we desperately need refreshing.

However, he should spend some time going back through the deadline day threads from the last few windows on here to see what disappointment he might be in for come August. ?

homer hotspur · Mar 1, 2020

matthew.absurdum said:
I won't say that but I am more frustrated with this match than the RB and Chelsea matches. I think we played much better today, hence the frustration

yes, we actually tried to attack today . I think this is the first game where the lack of Kane and Son was the key reason for us not getting a draw or even a win. The difference really was their excellent strikers. I think Kane or Sonny would have got a few chances today. The ridiculously late sub appearance by Parrott was farcical though. It was worse than not bringing him on at all.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 1, 2020

SugarRay said:
There’s no need to spend that sort of money to address our issues. We could improve massively by buying players off of Norwich, Brighton and Watford. We have some serious talent in the squad but we have awful balance and a serious lack of leadership and physicality, especially in defence.

I’m not saying we should buy these players but I have no doubt at all we win that game today if we had Aarons, Dunk, Doucoure and Cantwell in our squad. I don’t think we necessarily need to spend £200m on three ‘top class’ players ( who don’t know the league )
Smart investment, good dependable players who fit what we need can be relied upon etc and more importantly get the absolute best out of the top, top class talent we already have in the squad.

Agree with this principle although not specifically the players you mentioned.
Lpool signed Robertson for £8m from Hull, Winjyaldum from Newcastle, Mane from Southampton etc yes they paid big bucks for Allison and VVD but like you say there are players out there for the right price we just need better quality and depth especially in full back, DM & ST.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 1, 2020

rossdapep said:
I think you have to look at the real lack of continuation in that defence.
He's tried....
Jan and Toby - too slow, too easy to beat.
Sanchez and Toby - better but Toby not as good in a low block
Toby and Tanganga - same as above
Sanchez, Dier and Tanganga - struggled massively

There's a reason people say a settled back four leads to stability. The issue is Jose is still figuring out what is best and he's probably trying to do that without it being a detriment to the attack....and because Kane and Son are out he's opted for a back 5 to try give us more attacking intent due to what we've lost.

The whole situation is a mess of epic proportions and if anyone comes on here claiming to know the answer to our current problems besides a fresh reset in the summer is a liar.

All so very true which is why we need to properly back Jose this summer BUT do we think Jose’s style of play is a little outdated as I don’t think he can figure out what to do in a creative attacking sense with no Kane or Son, also he’s been outclassed by Fat Frank and Nuno twice.

fishhhandaricecake · Mar 1, 2020

Teddy Klinsmann said:
Honestly don’t think this is on Mourinho, yet. Squad has been dead for some time. A lack of investment over 3 years has killed all momentum. A huge overall of the team is required. Happy to give Jose the time, don’t see any other alternative. All on levy and all Enic to back him. 5 first team players minimum needed to change current slide. Centre back, left back, right back, defensive midfielder, striker.

Anything less than that this summer is an absoloute failure.

rossdapep · Mar 1, 2020

SugarRay said:
There’s no need to spend that sort of money to address our issues. We could improve massively by buying players off of Norwich, Brighton and Watford. We have some serious talent in the squad but we have awful balance and a serious lack of leadership and physicality, especially in defence.

I’m not saying we should buy these players but I have no doubt at all we win that game today if we had Aarons, Dunk, Doucoure and Cantwell in our squad. I don’t think we necessarily need to spend £200m on three ‘top class’ players ( who don’t know the league )
Smart investment, good dependable players who fit what we need can be relied upon etc and more importantly get the absolute best out of the top, top class talent we already have in the squad.

...and we don't need CL to do that either.

I'm fact, I think I'd rather us focus on these types of players rather than spend 60m on a risky type such as Ndombele (he may come good yet).

Most of our best signings over the years have been players who have been great at these lower level clubs (Toby, Wanyama, Trippier, Dembele) or young potential (Alli, Walker)

If Jose is happy to focus on more of these types I think we'll do well, afterall at United they brought in players from all over Europe for big money and failed (Fred, Lindelhof, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Bailly). The more PL established players (Matic, Sanchez) were older. I think the demands of a huge club forced Jose down the big signing route. I'm hoping we get back to the more humble, realistic signing a that make more sense.

rossdapep · Mar 1, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
All so very true which is why we need to properly back Jose this summer BUT do we think Jose’s style of play is a little outdated as I don’t think he can figure out what to do in a creative attacking sense with no Kane or Son, also he’s been outclassed by Fat Frank and Nuno twice.

Firstly, I don't think he's been outclassed by Nuno twice, we beat them first time and I thought we played well in a lot of aspects today. Lampard got the better of him but I do think the circumstances didn't help. Chelsea are a much more youthful team and Sarri already had the press system worked into them.

I think the proof will have to wait. If he's brought in 4/5 players he genuinely wants and has had a preseason/bedding in period and THEN we square up to these teams and still look directionless, we will know Jose is done. But there's no way of knowing right now and we have to back him, otherwise hiring him was a ridiculous decision.

dontcallme · Mar 1, 2020

I understand that many didn't want him as manager.

But whether I am in favour of hiring a manager or not I wouldn't be judging that manager on such a short time period. Regardless of how much he gets paid I don't believe it is reasonable to expect him to turn the whole club around in under half a season, especially given the circumstances.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Mar 1, 2020

Robbiepope said:
Do you think the football is ok and his doing a decent job?
If you lose and play shit football you are on borrowed time at this club and rightly so.

We were playing poor football the year building up to Mourinho. Is it the manager or the players one needs to ask themselves before asking that kinda question. Jose has had one window and 3-4 months at the club. The nucleus of players at his disposal when nearly a year without winning an away game in the PL, we need to remember that whenntearing the manager we currently have to pieces.

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Mar 1, 2020

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
We were playing poor football the year building up to Mourinho. Is it the manager or the players one needs to ask themselves before asking that kinda question. Jose has had one window and 3-4 months at the club. The nucleus of players at his disposal when nearly a year without winning an away game in the PL, we need to remember that whenntearing the manager we currently have to pieces.

We can't keep excusing us now playing poor football by blaming the previous manager, besides which despite playing poor football we still qualified for the Champions league and got to the Champions league final. We also have 4 new players since last season to freshen things up.

In 3 - 4 months you'd expect to be seeing some improvement, noticeably with Jose as manager you'd expect to see us tighter at the back, but I'm not seeing it. Today was better in regards to playing some football, but we were poor again at the back. I'd have expected us to be more difficult to beat, especially at home after this period of time.

So whilst I fully agree the new manager needs time, some improvements should be being noticed by now. To taper the toxicity we need to be able to point to some progress on the field. Granted, the lack of forwards is unfortunate, but that's no excuse to see our defense ripped open time and time again.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Mar 1, 2020

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
We can't keep excusing us now playing poor football by blaming the previous manager, besides which despite playing poor football we still qualified for the Champions league and got to the Champions league final. We also have 4 new players since last season to freshen things up.

In 3 - 4 months you'd expect to be seeing some improvement, noticeably with Jose as manager you'd expect to see us tighter at the back, but I'm not seeing it. Today was better in regards to playing some football, but we were poor again at the back. I'd have expected us to be more difficult to beat, especially at home after this period of time.

So whilst I fully agree the new manager needs time, some improvements should be being noticed by now. To taper the toxicity we need to be able to point to some progress on the field. Granted, the lack of forwards is unfortunate, but that's no excuse to see our defense ripped open time and time again.

Before Son got injured, nobody except for Liverpool had bettered our points accumulated since Mourinho took over. We went from 13th to 1 point away from 4th. How is that not some improvement?

DCSPUR64 · Mar 2, 2020

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
Before Son got injured, nobody except for Liverpool had bettered our points accumulated since Mourinho took over. We went from 13th to 1 point away from 4th. How is that not some improvement?

Just losing our last 3 straight games is hard to take, hopefully just a blip.
Also since Son has been out.

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