Jose Mourinho

FinnYid said:

But we also heard Poch was rather unflexible when it came to targets, so I take bit about not being relant on one choice as positive note.

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Thats good to - you keep looking for the positives ?

I have for the last few seasons but this year starting to realise may have bought the pipedream and not seen the real future.

We are a long way off, been over achieving and now i'm doing the reality check.

Believe what you want but take it all with that proverbial piece of salt.

Bet he’s listening to The Who on the way Home.

Track 1. Won’t get schooled again ?

2. Substitute

3. I can’t explain

4. The real me.

FinnYid said:

But we also heard Poch was rather unflexible when it came to targets, so I take bit about not being relant on one choice as positive note.

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Well when you get the jansens and the njies as the back up to what you really wanted, you have to put your foot down and say no more which I think he did in the end

Shadydan said:

Snowflake community, first sign of trouble and you want the manager gone, sort yourselves out ffs lol

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First sign of trouble

RikkiRocket said:

Bet he’s listening to The Who on the way Home.

Track 1. Won’t get schooled again ?

2. Substitute

3. I can’t explain

4. The real me.

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Track 5 I've had enough
Track 6 all aboard the magic bus

SugarRay said:

There’s no need to spend that sort of money to address our issues. We could improve massively by buying players off of Norwich, Brighton and Watford. We have some serious talent in the squad but we have awful balance and a serious lack of leadership and physicality, especially in defence.


I’m not saying we should buy these players but I have no doubt at all we win that game today if we had Aarons, Dunk, Doucoure and Cantwell in our squad. I don’t think we necessarily need to spend £200m on three ‘top class’ players ( who don’t know the league )
Smart investment, good dependable players who fit what we need can be relied upon etc and more importantly get the absolute best out of the top, top class talent we already have in the squad.

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You’re right, and the issue is that often people look at these sort of names and say “we want top four/title challenges and buying from these clubs doesn’t produce that” or “A club like us shouldn’t be shopping at these clubs”.

It’s true though, we don’t tend to consistently spend big on players and when we do they tend to be players from foreign leagues. We don’t often go shopping within the league we are in. Players who have got a season or two under their belts and know the league.

I’m not saying we should go out and buy the entire Brighton starting eleven of course, but picking off the odd player here and there could really help us. As you say, Dunk, Cantwell, Max Aaron’s, Jamal Lewis, they are all players who could slot in and give us something.

If we can’t go out and spend good mo et on ready built ‘stars’ then we need to box clever on our budget. I used to love the days when we would hoover up young English talent - Carrick, Dawson, Walker, Naughton, Huddleston, Lennon, Routledge, Defoe, all were purchased from our league or below but at the very least in England.

It worked out more often than not, of course not all those players above were absolutely fantastic but looking through the list it wasn’t bad was it.

There are recent examples of players playing well in lower leagues and then not making the step up - Che Adams at Southampton for example.

However in terms of squad building, the players you mentioned, Grealish last summer, Ings, David Brooks, Callum Wilson, can’t remember the lads name but the speedy winger at Bournemouth, Ake, Doucoure, Sarr, Delofeou, are all players from ‘lower’ clubs that could be argued to have a positive effect on the squad.

We are the only team in the world (really) who think we have a striker who is SO good that no one else would want to come here to play. Yet City, Liverpool, Madrid, Barca all have more than one striker.

I feel like we need to identify what our transfer strategy is now, there are clever signings we could make. If we didn’t worry about the ‘appearance’ of shopping at lower teams in the league. There’s nothing to say we couldn’t add the odd bigger name player of a deal became available.

BringBack_leGin said:

What a load of shit in here. It was actually a good performance in many aspects, we used the ball the best we have in ages, we put together some very good moves and we played a large proportion of the match in the final third. Unfortunately, off the ball our aggression was non existent and, particularly down our left, we was scythed open too easily. Dele buries that header and this is a different thread. Hugo in goal, we concede neither of the first two.

I’m not saying we were 1970 Brazil, but until Wolves third we played the better football. We were undone by bad defending today, but on the ball we were balanced, cohesive and constructed good attacks.

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I assume you left at half time?

BringBack_leGin said:

What a load of shit in here. It was actually a good performance in many aspects, we used the ball the best we have in ages, we put together some very good moves and we played a large proportion of the match in the final third. Unfortunately, off the ball our aggression was non existent and, particularly down our left, we was scythed open too easily. Dele buries that header and this is a different thread. Hugo in goal, we concede neither of the first two.

I’m not saying we were 1970 Brazil, but until Wolves third we played the better football. We were undone by bad defending today, but on the ball we were balanced, cohesive and constructed good attacks.

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Indeed. The issues with the squad are well known - age and staleness being two of the principle ones. There's also a lack of confidence. As a team, we've failed to really rip anyone apart for some time now. The last one that comes to mind was Everton away last season. This will prey on their minds and will make them feel like they're going into a losing battle every time. And no manager can dispel that feeling in an instant.

So much in football is psychological - we know this. Look at Liverpool. They are greater than the sum of their parts because one of the principle factors is that Klopp has got them thinking like champions. Did he do that in the space of a few months? No. It took him a number of seasons (yes, as well as astute signings), but that Liverpool side has an ingrained belief in themselves. Our lot, right now, don't, and one of Jose's tasks will be to instill that as he has at every club he's managed. Evidence of that is the glowing terms that so many of his former players have for him, including none other than today's opposition manager, Nuno Espirito Santo.

I feel that our squad are trying. But I also firmly belief that they're carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders too. Two of our talismans on the treatment table, familiar faces gone, perhaps thinking that no matter what they do, they're going to struggle - this makes for an unhappy and tense squad. And tension and unhappiness causes mistakes, causes confidence to drop.

These problems were in place before Jose arrived. I don't care what caused it - all I care about is that it exists. And it will take time to fix. The best thing that we can do right now is to hunch our shoulders, be true supporters and back the club, our squad and our manager.

Bad runs never last forever, and we should always remember: this too shall pass.

swarvsta said:

I assume you left at half time?

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Nope, stayed till the bitter end as always.

Trix said:

I'm not saying he will get it. I'm saying he has to be given that before he can really be judged.

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ah OK, understood.

well then we’ve definitely been here before. and know how it ends.

BringBack_leGin said:

Nope, stayed till the bitter end as always.

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We were decent in the first half for large spells, until their equaliser rocked us. We seemed to be attempting to press further up the pitch, and play at a faster tempo. It was promising

Aurier’s goal came when we were on the back foot.

I thought we were really poor second half. People saying Dele could have made it 3-1, but it wasn’t an easy chance.

We had no attacking plan in the second half, and they switched their formation and we didn’t react. They had an overload on numerous occasions.

It seemed clear to me we were going to lose the game from about 70 mins onwards. I would have loved to have seen Jose react, as that was one negative of Poch.

Unfortunately he didn’t and the inevitable happened.

We played well in patches, and better than some of the recent games - but I’m surprised anyone thinks we were the better team throughout. We clearly weren’t.

BringBack_leGin said:

What a load of shit in here. It was actually a good performance in many aspects, we used the ball the best we have in ages, we put together some very good moves and we played a large proportion of the match in the final third. Unfortunately, off the ball our aggression was non existent and, particularly down our left, we was scythed open too easily. Dele buries that header and this is a different thread. Hugo in goal, we concede neither of the first two.

I’m not saying we were 1970 Brazil, but until Wolves third we played the better football. We were undone by bad defending today, but on the ball we were balanced, cohesive and constructed good attacks.

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And most of this was because Wolves were pretty poor in general having played Thursday and not really looked up for it till later in the game.

It wasn’t because we somehow became better or we had 7 days before the next game.

Wolves didn’t play to their best at all. And I’m sure you watched our very undeserved win at their place earlier this season. We got absolutely smashed by such a free flowing Wolves side who played amazing. We wasn’t much better today, better than against Chelsea yeah, but you would expect that.

Attack-wise we were still nowhere near a plan. Dele still can’t finish for shit.
Our midfield got run over again and our defense is still rubbish, even with 5 defenders we let 3 goals go in. All in all we’re a very poor side at the moment and I understand people’s frustration.

rez9000 said:

Indeed. The issues with the squad are well known - age and staleness being two of the principle ones. There's also a lack of confidence. As a team, we've failed to really rip anyone apart for some time now. The last one that comes to mind was Everton away last season. This will prey on their minds and will make them feel like they're going into a losing battle every time. And no manager can dispel that feeling in an instant.

So much in football is psychological - we know this. Look at Liverpool. They are greater than the sum of their parts because one of the principle factors is that Klopp has got them thinking like champions. Did he do that in the space of a few months? No. It took him a number of seasons (yes, as well as astute signings), but that Liverpool side has an ingrained belief in themselves. Our lot, right now, don't, and one of Jose's tasks will be to instill that as he has at every club he's managed. Evidence of that is the glowing terms that so many of his former players have for him, including none other than today's opposition manager, Nuno Espirito Santo.

I feel that our squad are trying. But I also firmly belief that they're carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders too. Two of our talismans on the treatment table, familiar faces gone, perhaps thinking that no matter what they do, they're going to struggle - this makes for an unhappy and tense squad. And tension and unhappiness causes mistakes, causes confidence to drop.

These problems were in place before Jose arrived. I don't care what caused it - all I care about is that it exists. And it will take time to fix. The best thing that we can do right now is to hunch our shoulders, be true supporters and back the club, our squad and our manager.

Bad runs never last forever, and we should always remember: this too shall pass.

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This message needs to be ingrained.

Things can change very quickly in football. When things arent going well as human beings we tend to think the worst case scenario is going to happen. In this case back to mid table mediocrity, but it's probably more likely we'll suffer short term but regroup and be back challenging again.

In the mean time support the team

WhiteDane said:

And most of this was because Wolves were pretty poor in general having played Thursday and not really looked up for it till later in the game.

It wasn’t because we somehow became better or we had 7 days before the next game.

Wolves didn’t play to their best at all. And I’m sure you watched our very undeserved win at their place earlier this season. We got absolutely smashed by such a free flowing Wolves side who played amazing. We wasn’t much better today, better than against Chelsea yeah, but you would expect that.

Attack-wise we were still nowhere near a plan. Dele still can’t finish for shit.
Our midfield got run over again and our defense is still rubbish, even with 5 defenders we let 3 goals go in. All in all we’re a very poor side at the moment and I understand people’s frustration.

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It doesn't matter who we play every team over runs our midfield and defence and yes we are a poor team but we have a beautiful stadium so it's all good.

WhiteDane said:

And most of this was because Wolves were pretty poor in general having played Thursday and not really looked up for it till later in the game.

It wasn’t because we somehow became better or we had 7 days before the next game.

Wolves didn’t play to their best at all. And I’m sure you watched our very undeserved win at their place earlier this season. We got absolutely smashed by such a free flowing Wolves side who played amazing. We wasn’t much better today, better than against Chelsea yeah, but you would expect that.

Attack-wise we were still nowhere near a plan. Dele still can’t finish for shit.
Our midfield got run over again and our defense is still rubbish, even with 5 defenders we let 3 goals go in. All in all we’re a very poor side at the moment and I understand people’s frustration.

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I couldn't disagree more with this entire paragraph.

I won't bother saying anything else.

Gb160 said:

Only 3 players who started for Wolves on Thursday started today.

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Er... no. Keeper, Boly, Coady, Doherty, Moutinho, Vinagre, Adama - that's 7

SargeantMeatCurtains said:

Not having Kane or any kind of target man up front actually puts our defenders under a shit load of pressure.

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That wasn't the case today, we had 65% possession

matthew.absurdum said:

Er... no. Keeper, Boly, Coady, Doherty, Moutinho, Vinagre, Adama - that's 7

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I read it on here earlier.
I should know better.

shelfboy68 said:

It doesn't matter who we play every team over runs our midfield and defence and yes we are a poor team but we have a beautiful stadium so it's all good.

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Gotta ask, why do you always have a dig at the new stadium? We had an old stadium once and we were just as shit, what's the fucking point in having a dig at something that will be for all Spurs fans, whether you like Levy or not? It just seems like a proper bitter thing to say ...

Some fans are so fucking weird on certain things.

I've avoided the Spurs threads for a while, because it's depressing. It's the squad, the whole defensive backline CBs and FBs, and no effecive DCM or backup that's the issue. AMs, and forwards we're good, even functional without Kane and Sonny.

Can't blame Jose too much apart from him stating he liked the squad in the first place. Never been a Jose fan, but no coach is going to do much with a shambles of squad options in defence and defensive midfield.