guiltyparty
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Yep me too. Totally out of love with football and I think it will increase. We fucked it.
How optimistic are you for Spurs in the Twenties?
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Yep me too. Totally out of love with football and I think it will increase. We fucked it.
Hakkz
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What do you hope for? Realistically?
Yiddo1982
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I'd like us to win some trophies. Chelsea, Liverpool, United, Arsenal, Citeh have all won multiple trophies during the 2010s, and we are long overdue. We now need to start thinking like a bigger club in the market. Let's remember this will only be the second time Liverpool would have finished above us in seven years. The jump can be made. However, I do fear we will need a change of ownership to take the final step.
Hakkz
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In the 20 years you mentioned earlier all those clubs have been bigger and/or more famous than us. Before Bale this club was considered to be in the same bracket as Everton, Aston Villa and such (outside England). The last couple of years have been the best in a really long time. I'm hopeful the trend just continues in the same direction but it's clearly very difficult at the absolute top.
I'm a bit scared of a change of ownership because we are way more likely to end up with people like the Glazers who siphon money out of the club and have no interest in the sport than the Liverpool ones.
danielneeds
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I’d say the Glazers and Kroenke are the extremes at the other end of the scale of Rom and Mansour. The chances are we wouldn’t get either end of it as the common denominator of all of them was they managed to get into their clubs very cheaply.
Most probably whoever succeeds ENIC will be serious investor because they will have to pay through the nose to buy them out.
Hakkz
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True. Wasn't clear from my post but my reasoning was also this:
Might be a bit simplistic/cynical but I can't see a sheik buying the club because of the Jewish heritage. Not saying that they would have a problem personally but I could see it become an issue later on, easily avoided by targeting other clubs. Can't see any more rich Russians getting into the PL so that probably leaves Americans. Much more likely to get Glazers/Kroenkes in that case, imo.
People blaming Enic or Sugar for our problems at the moment have forgot it was alll caused the day Schoular walked thru the door and I believe we still have not got over the mess that man left and I for one am not going to blame people like Sugar and Enic who have tried to do the right thing . I also believe that if Abramovich and The City owners had not come into football the landscape on English football would be a lot different indeed the Oligarcs of Juventus and PSG has also changed the landscape of European football as well .
It cannot be overstated the harm that Irvine Schoular inflicted on this club I won't go into it now but if ever you go to one of those answer and question nights with explayers from the eighties then if you were to ask them players like Perryman Roberts Waddle etc you will hear what a horror story in football terms it was .
If you were to hear all the facts it will tell you that we went from being the richest club to almost going into liquidation in under 5 years .
I think if you were to hear the truth about mismanagement you would find it hard to believe.
It cannot be overstated the harm that Irvine Schoular inflicted on this club I won't go into it now but if ever you go to one of those answer and question nights with explayers from the eighties then if you were to ask them players like Perryman Roberts Waddle etc you will hear what a horror story in football terms it was .
If you were to hear all the facts it will tell you that we went from being the richest club to almost going into liquidation in under 5 years .
I think if you were to hear the truth about mismanagement you would find it hard to believe.
shelfboy68
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I think we are set up to continue as we have done for the duration only now the club generates more money than before other than that everything stays the same.
Spurs' Pipe Dreams
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Jose has got this...
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yusrisafri
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For as long as Levy rules in his business-first, football-second policy, I will always be pessimistic about us challenging for the title
Bobbins
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We fucked it when we had the chance.
I’m not doing another decade of pointless optimism only to be let down at every turn again, waste of my time and energy.
This group/cycle of players/managers, like the last two, should have won something, and didn’t. The next group won’t either.
My biggest disappointment is that I just don’t go anymore. I used to get to every game possible without a ST but the guys I went with have stopped, and I haven’t been since the last game at WHL apart from a couple of Wembley games just to take relatives who hadn’t been to the stadium before. I’ve met some new Spurs fans over the last few years through various social circles and whenever I suggest going absolutely none of them are really interested. I don’t know any ST holders anymore - I used to know 3 but they all decided not to renew at the new stadium due to the price and family commitments they now have. There’s a whole generation of Spurs fans in their 20’s and 30’s who simply never go to matches anymore - and worse, never even really consider the idea of doing so - this should be the absolute core age group the club is aiming at. But everyone I know thinks it’s too expensive, the atmosphere is shit and full of tourists, and no-one thinks we’re enjoyable to watch anymore.
I used to get so excited by the prospect of going to any match but don’t feel anything for it anymore. I barely even find myself celebrating goals much these days which is just the weirdest feeling.
I still say that West Ham away game in the Leicester season is what killed it for me. Realised then we would probably never win anything ever again. Winning isn’t in the club DNA anymore - it’s been bred out of it by decades of mediocrity, and now the game has moved on and we can’t get it back.
I’m not doing another decade of pointless optimism only to be let down at every turn again, waste of my time and energy.
This group/cycle of players/managers, like the last two, should have won something, and didn’t. The next group won’t either.
My biggest disappointment is that I just don’t go anymore. I used to get to every game possible without a ST but the guys I went with have stopped, and I haven’t been since the last game at WHL apart from a couple of Wembley games just to take relatives who hadn’t been to the stadium before. I’ve met some new Spurs fans over the last few years through various social circles and whenever I suggest going absolutely none of them are really interested. I don’t know any ST holders anymore - I used to know 3 but they all decided not to renew at the new stadium due to the price and family commitments they now have. There’s a whole generation of Spurs fans in their 20’s and 30’s who simply never go to matches anymore - and worse, never even really consider the idea of doing so - this should be the absolute core age group the club is aiming at. But everyone I know thinks it’s too expensive, the atmosphere is shit and full of tourists, and no-one thinks we’re enjoyable to watch anymore.
I used to get so excited by the prospect of going to any match but don’t feel anything for it anymore. I barely even find myself celebrating goals much these days which is just the weirdest feeling.
I still say that West Ham away game in the Leicester season is what killed it for me. Realised then we would probably never win anything ever again. Winning isn’t in the club DNA anymore - it’s been bred out of it by decades of mediocrity, and now the game has moved on and we can’t get it back.
shelfboy68
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I barely care about the team much these days sure I want us to win games but I have realised this club will achieve fuck all under this ownership.
If the reason you support a club is the aim of winning cups and leagues well we all hope for that but if it is your primary reason perhaps you would be better off changing your allegiance to City or Chelsea with the hope their Paymasters don't decide to chuck it in otherwise you will have to change allegiance again .
Don't you think all supporters of all clubs want to win things . If that is the depth of your support then if you decide to move on I don't think you will be missed by other supporters who stick by their beloved club thru thick and thin however long the thin era lasts .
Don't you think all supporters of all clubs want to win things . If that is the depth of your support then if you decide to move on I don't think you will be missed by other supporters who stick by their beloved club thru thick and thin however long the thin era lasts .
danielneeds
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Unfortunately much like Arsenal fans have been, we’re now being asked to pay the most money in the world to watch the team we love, and the product we’re being served up has to be commensurate otherwise you’ll end up with the same toxic disillusion seen with them lot down the road.
Wsussexspur
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What I don’t really understand from Levy/Enic point of view is that surely they realise to generate the kind of financial figures they have been and bring in sponsorship deals which match the other top 6 clubs surely they realise that they need a successful team on the pitch to do this which means investing and evolving the team on pretty much a continuous basis (I.e every window or at least every summer transfer window they have to look at the team and work out how can we improve it even if means making a tough decision about maybe a player who may have had a good season yes he had a good season but is there someone better than him out there who can improve the squad help us improve on the previous season etc). This is something we seem really poor at doing compared to other clubs.
At this moment in time I think we can all see (or majority of us) can see this teams need major investment and refreshing.. but the signs and sounds coming out of the club are they aren’t going to finance this that we have little money to spend on players etc.. where is all the money going is it on the stadium? and how do they plan to keep us as a top 6 club if we don’t have the money to invest In players and why the fuck bring in a manger like Jose if this is the case?
or are they happy to let us drift back to mid table mediocrity with likes of West Ham, Everton, etc. If that’s the case I struggle to see how they can keep the money coming in from sponsorship deals and brining In record revenues.
At this moment in time I think we can all see (or majority of us) can see this teams need major investment and refreshing.. but the signs and sounds coming out of the club are they aren’t going to finance this that we have little money to spend on players etc.. where is all the money going is it on the stadium? and how do they plan to keep us as a top 6 club if we don’t have the money to invest In players and why the fuck bring in a manger like Jose if this is the case?
or are they happy to let us drift back to mid table mediocrity with likes of West Ham, Everton, etc. If that’s the case I struggle to see how they can keep the money coming in from sponsorship deals and brining In record revenues.
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For myself I am retired and money is sometimes a problem if I could not afford the price of tickets or did not want to pay the prices asked I would not go anymore . Moaning about the price of tickets does not register with me . If you can't afford it then don't go .If you don't want to pay the price of tickets then don't .But one of the reasons we are able to compete on most fronts financially is the reason we pay the ticket prices you would be a fool not to want cheaper tickets . I always think things have been really muddled or muddy is the coming of Chelsea and City because they with their unending finances have been responsible for the increase in wages and the increase in transfer fees .
Also in Europe with Juventus and PSG . Whenever you go for a player if they want them its a no contest as they will blow you out of the water if it comes to transfer fees and if its just a wage thing they also will beat you . So to some extent we are along with the rest hanging on to their coat tails so to speak . So we can compete on a level playing field with the clubs that are genuinely self sufficient but the Uber rich are beyond not only our means but every body else. If they are in trouble with FFP they just sponsor a toilet brush for 20 or 30 million pounds by one of the many companies they own and so getting around the rules that everyone else has to abide by .
I am still in love with spurs at the age of 76 and still have my dreams of winning trophies but with every new oligarch that enters the game it gets harder having said that if we can win something it will be the sweeter especially without financial doping.
Also in Europe with Juventus and PSG . Whenever you go for a player if they want them its a no contest as they will blow you out of the water if it comes to transfer fees and if its just a wage thing they also will beat you . So to some extent we are along with the rest hanging on to their coat tails so to speak . So we can compete on a level playing field with the clubs that are genuinely self sufficient but the Uber rich are beyond not only our means but every body else. If they are in trouble with FFP they just sponsor a toilet brush for 20 or 30 million pounds by one of the many companies they own and so getting around the rules that everyone else has to abide by .
I am still in love with spurs at the age of 76 and still have my dreams of winning trophies but with every new oligarch that enters the game it gets harder having said that if we can win something it will be the sweeter especially without financial doping.
Stamford
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We're gonna go anyway regardless of what we win. However you cant charge the priciest season tickets in sporting history and not invest in the bloody team. Regardless of what you think of the depth of support people have a limit.
