Jose Mourinho

jezz said:

Still the fact remains he got to the CL final with this squad just like Mourhino won all those trophies wiith wheel barrows of money.
We beat Ajax away to get to the final
Sorry England's worst CL drubbing in history?
Arsenal lost 6 1 to Bayern we lost 7 2 which is the same is it not.

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Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern 3 times but never 6-1.

spurs9 said:

Arsenal lost 5-1 to Bayern 3 times but never 6-1.

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Correct my eyesight needs a specssavers makeover

RikkiRocket said:

is this a series question?

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Yes.

dagraham said:

I agree that some of his antics in football have crossed the line, but you know nothing about him as a human away from football.

Some of Fergie’s intimidation of officials and journalists etc was out of order, but away from football everyone speaks very highly of him as a person.

Let’s not pretend that we really know these people.

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Agree and the fact that a lot of his previous players speak so highly of him and there are videos of some of them crying when he left etc I highly doubt he’s a nasty human at all, far from it, just a bit of a moaner and bad loser.

Gb160 said:

Because a lot of posters are still pining for Poch....bless them.

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I dont necessarily miss him although i see him more of a coach that is more than just the here and now whereas Jose is more about the here and now no matter the cost and no matter the future impact. I dont really like that but accept it for what it is.

I guess my main grumbling is i trust Poch more than Jose with trying to change more than just the team going forward. Hopefuly that makes sense.

Phomesy said:

This is no reflection on Mourinho but I wonder if the posters who were convinced Pochettino was the problem are still quite so convinced?

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That's an interesting question, but I doubt you'll get many if any that would admit to that.

There does appear to have been a slight shift in thought, not aimed at any one poster but just a general observation. There was various talk when we had Poch in charge that he had lost the dressing room, that the players were underperforming for him and that we needed a winner like Mourinho to push us over the line and win the big games. Mourinho himself said he was happy with the squad.

At the moment our performances and results don't point to this being the case, so we don't hear those arguments anymore as the evidence doesn't point to this. Rather we had a brief new manager bounce, but we continue to struggle in games much like we did the last season with Poch. So the consensus has shifted to Mourinho needing more time and an overhaul of the squad for us to see progress. The problem with this line of thinking is why have we sacked a manager who had been saying the same thing was needed rather than back him to make those changes? I feel perhaps there are potentially two reasons for this, Levy believed Mourinho could come in and get more out of this squad, he saw us under performing under Poch and knows how important Champions league is to the club. He's always been a fan of Mourinho and see's his winning CV as a chance to have him come in and raise our profile again. Secondly, as much as I liked Poch, he wasn't doing himself any favours with his interviews, he wasn't the same man with the same enthusiasm he once had. Talking about walking away from the club was detrimental to the club and this uncertainty would potentially have caused unrest in the squad, a squad that needed an overhaul well before now to keep it fresh and motivated. So for Levy, Mourinho seemed like a perfect fit, he was happy with the squad and could get more out of the squad without needing a painful rebuild.

So here we are, I feel we should have backed Poch but he needed to show more commitment. But he has gone now and it's important we back Mourinho, we can't turn back the clock. Back him and hope it proves to be a good decision, but I'm sure his appointment is causing a few doubts for Levy who would have expected to see more progress from his appointment already.

Interesting times ahead but that's just my take on what has happened, of course I could be wide of the mark, but the important thing is we are all Spurs fans and although we can disagree we can also find common ground to ensure we all get behind the team and give us the best opportunity to succeed with Mourinho at the helm. I'm not his biggest fan and I have my doubts that he is the right man to take us to the top, but I could see us winning a cup under him and I do find his press conferences refreshing.

So I say let's back Mourinho, history will tell us if we were right or wrong to replace Poch with Mourinho, none of us can know this for sure.

Dazzazzad said:

True. But coaching isn't a video game. It is a big part of his life and who he is. He doesn't have to be an asshole at work to do his job, he just seems to regularly choose that path.

I think it's fair to judge that while also saying there's obviously a lot more to the man.

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Yeah as I said, I can’t say he’s ever been likeable and the eye gouging thing was bang out of order.

I just have never understood this whole “I can’t support this manager because I don’t like him” thing. I even remember some fans fawning over AVB because he seems so nice, speaks well and he has a cool beard etc.

At the end of the day he’s Spurs manager, not our Dad.

dagraham said:

Yeah as I said, I can’t say he’s ever been likeable and the eye gouging thing was bang out of order.

I just have never understood this whole “I can’t support this manager because I don’t like him” thing. I even remember some fans fawning over AVB because he seems so nice, speaks well and he has a cool beard etc.

At the end of the day he’s Spurs manager, not our Dad.

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He's not going to be taking me to Pizza Hut on Saturday then? Great.

JCRD said:

I dont necessarily miss him although i see him more of a coach that is more than just the here and now whereas Jose is more about the here and now no matter the cost and no matter the future impact. I dont really like that but accept it for what it is.

I guess my main grumbling is i trust Poch more than Jose with trying to change more than just the team going forward. Hopefuly that makes sense.

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Is he really about the here and now or is that just a by-product of the club’s he has been employed by?

Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid and Man Utd all hired him to get immediate results where nothing else but trophies mattered.

He gets accused of being a chequebook manager but so are the clubs that employed him . I would say he is within his rights to expect money to spend if results are expected immediately.

jimmy-jojo said:

Yes.

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Jesus. Where have you been for the last 15 years.

not doing your work for you. Google Mourinho and Twat. That should do the trick.

Phomesy said:

This is no reflection on Mourinho but I wonder if the posters who were convinced Pochettino was the problem are still quite so convinced?

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i was convinced Poch was the problem. I still think he was a huge part of the problem. easier to change a manager than a squad full of players.

RikkiRocket said:

Jesus. Where have you been for the last 15 years.

not doing your work for you. Google Mourinho and Twat. That should do the trick.

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How convenient for you...almost like you don’t have anything.

Please humour me and provide some examples of him being a nasty human being with no comparison.

Phomesy said:

This is no reflection on Mourinho but I wonder if the posters who were convinced Pochettino was the problem are still quite so convinced?

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Yes. It's still his squad and a lot of players have 5 years worth of how he wanted them to play and train learnt.

It's quite similar to when AVB went - Pochettino suffered and struggled with that same unbalanced team with broken chemistry until he radically altered the team by marginalising those who were found to be the issue.

We've seen a decent turnaround in league form but I don't think anyone was expecting sudden Liverpool-esq form.

SugarRay said:

I personally would welcome such a signing to be honest. It’s never ver going to happen though.

Whatever happens I think we need a bit of patience. Too many wanting 4/5 signings this month. If we’re suddenly going to start buying top established players, we aren’t getting them in this month. Liverpool are brought up all the time. They did it over 2/3 windows pretty much. Allison and Fabinho were the final pieces. VVD came the window before and it started with building the attacking three in windows prior to VVD’s arrival.

I’d rather we fuck this season off, focus on next season and actually trying to challenge the top spot, as opposed to bloating the squad out with a few decent players who might make a difference and then be stuck in similar situation as face now.

Still, having said all that...we aren’t ever going to do that, irrelevant of what Jose wants. So yeah, let’s nick some scouts! ( Leicester and Liverpool scouts please )

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difference being that liverpool were in a position of strength when adding those signings, we should have been doing the same thing 2-3 years ago but passed up the opportunity and have now left ourselves needing major work. i know we're still looking at low-key championship type signings and will probably be bringing in the likes of bogle and eze but i struggle to see how that's going to work with mourinho, does he really want any part of that? we definitely need better scouts either way though i agree, purely to safeguard the long term future of the club.

I see an experienced manager that knows exactly where the deficiencies in the team are and is looking increasingly frustrated. If we do the usual thing of waiting to get anyone in right at the last knockings (and failing) then I can seriously see him walking. He will want incomings, perhaps only one or two, and he will want them quickly, particularly a stand in striker.

bigfrooj said:

then I can seriously see him walking

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No one walks on a £15m per year contract.

Wheeler Dealer said:

If he continues to believe this, then his reign will be shorter than Ramos

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Ramos won us a trophy, I know it's been so long since that's happend!

Dele has contributed to the points recently we have won and whilst having some shit time on the pitch he is no worse than the team on a whole!

muppetman said:

See I think he had us overachieving and the lack of investment finally caught up. Some of that may well be at Poch's feet but others also shoulder the blame. I think that in any job if you keep hearing the same voice over and over it becomes less powerful - which again points to the need to refresh the squad, but hey if you want to believe it was extra training sessions you may well be right.

Lots of people now just shrug off the building of the stadium, the need to spend little to nothing, the time at Wembley, the fact that we were ahead of the project and so on but I think it was his own success that made people think we'd cracked it. I think Jose is now finding out that the squad was perhaps more than the sum of it's parts.

But hey, Jose has said he loves the squad and will work with what he has - we shall see.

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Great post

RikkiRocket said:

maybe they just don’t like JM. Maybe it’s hard for some spurs fans to spunk all over Hose, as to put it bluntly, he’s a ****, I can’t personally like the guy. Never have, never will. He’s a horrible eye gouging, dr abusing wank stain. I’m embarrassed he’s our manager, I can’t detest someone then like them just because he’s now with us. As a human he’s a grade A prick.

that’s me?

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Have you had some personal experience with him that has made you feel this way ?

Hercules said:

The squad had imploded, and explosions was on the horizon, and Poch never heeded the advice of all and sundry, especially DL, who wanted him to turn it around. So to say Poch wasn’t given time, he certainly was. Many wanted him gone 6 weeks earlier than when he was sacked. Let’s keep it in perspective.

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look at Poch's interview with Lineker this summer....clear to everyone what needed to happen over the last few windows.....and now Levy doesn't have Poch as an excuse.