Jose Mourinho

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

He gifted the team a goal ...

In fact, I think I'll pass. I wonder about some people who post on here sometimes.

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I know that he gifted them a goal but I’m saying he’s got huge potential and he needs to play consistently to get these mistakes of his game what cant you understand

You lot are already writing of a 21 year old player

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

He gifted the team a goal ...

In fact, I think I'll pass. I wonder about some people who post on here sometimes.

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Yeah his mistakes seem to be quite frequent and costly.

I think Jose’s given them enough rope.

Interested to see what (if anything)we do in January regarding ins/outs.

Gb160 said:

Yeah his mistakes seem to be quite frequent and costly.

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People roundly shout at other young players on here even when they contribute, but Foyth, rarely offers anything solid and has a mistake in him, that's not good enough for me, opinions and onions and all that.

His in-game management and ability to get us back into games has been superb. He was let down by individual errors from his players today.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Loads of players have talent, if you keep making the same mental mistakes you're not learning. Not good enough and he was earmarked to start at right back for us ...

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Respect your opinion. He does make errors at times. However, dismissing his ability and stating he's not good enough I personally disagree with.

He starts (and completes) games for Argentina - playing at right back.

Typical Spurs said:

Respect your opinion. He does make errors at times. However, dismissing his ability and stating he's not good enough I personally disagree with.

He starts (and completes) games for Argentina - playing at right back.

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Yeah, not bothered about his International career after gifting the bottom team in the league a head start against us, if I am honest.

It must be absolutely frustrating that the team that JM starts with never seems to understand the game plan.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Yeah, not bothered about his International career after gifting the bottom team in the league a head start against us, if I am honest.

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Oi!...Cuba are no mugs mate.

Gb160 said:

Oi!...Cuba are no mugs mate.

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They have a football team?!

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

They have a football team?!

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Are you Havana a laugh?

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

Yeah, not bothered about his International career after gifting the bottom team in the league a head start against us, if I am honest.

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That's fair enough mate. I understand the frustration. Any mistakes he make always seem to get punished by the opposition.

If he was from San Marino or some other rubbish footballing nation I'd fully agree. The fact he starts and plays a lot of games for Argentina at his age and at right back should not be ignored. Therefore writing him off I personally think is a bit silly. Just my opinion.

Typical Spurs said:

That's fair enough mate. I understand the frustration. Any mistakes he make always seem to get punished by the opposition.

If he was from San Marino or some other rubbish footballing nation I'd fully agree. The fact he starts and plays a lot of games for Argentina at his age and at right back should not be ignored. Therefore writing him off I personally think is a bit silly. Just my opinion.

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Cool beans mate, no doubt neither of our opinions will have much of a baring on him and his future one way or another so, yeah, that's the end of this.

Enjoy your weekend.

VegasII said:

I think Jose’s given them enough rope.

Interested to see what (if anything)we do in January regarding ins/outs.

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We won’t buy anyone dude, don’t do it to yourself thinking we will.

Wonder if he's ever had a team as mentally fragile as us.

Playing with fear at the back. Toby looks scared anytime he's near the ball in or out of possession. Jan is wearing someone else's legs. And we have an abundance of players that make the easy things look hard (and Sissoko's first touch seem the norm)

I said when Poch was hung out to dry that this group of players aren't as good as they think and sadly I've seen nothing to change my mind.

Roy's Racers said:

It must be absolutely frustrating that the team that JM starts with never seems to understand the game plan.

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If there’s one thing that will see the old Mourinho appearing it’s that. He hates players not following his instructions. It’s partly what did him in at Man Utd.

It’s time to invest. We need a leader at the back and a new RB.

Jan seems to have become too old and Foyth needs a loan to develop.

When Jose can’t even get a team defending you know there are problems

Roy's Racers said:

It must be absolutely frustrating that the team that JM starts with never seems to understand the game plan.

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its been happening a lot longer. Year and half.

The problem with this team is not talent. Player for player, this is certainly the most talented Tottenham team of the last 25 years. The fact that we can field the team we did today with Son, Sissoko, Winks, and Davies unavailable and then still be able to bring on Lucas, Sanchez, and Lamela shows how much quality we have. Of the players who play regularly, really only Aurier isn’t talented enough.

The other popular argument is that we don’t have players with enough character or mental strength, I don’t buy that for a second. The core of this team has had 4 straight top 4 league finishes, made a UCL final with and extremely banged up squad, and won games at the Ethiad, Emirates, Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, Bernebau, Westfelanstadion, Cruyff Arena, and we dug our crucial draws at the San Siro, Juventus, and Camp Nou. Further, we have the World Cup winning captain, England Captain, our CBs are number 1 and 6 for caps in the history of Belgium, the 5x Asian footballer of the year, we had the most players in the semi-finals at the 2018 World Cup, and overall our squad has over 1000 international caps for the likes of France, Belgium, England, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, etc. Our players have undisputedly had significant team and individual success for both Tottenham and country.

What’s wrong with this team is that it has been assembled in a haphazard fashion and is so damn imbalanced and our “transfer committee” has totally fucked it in terms of squad building. Ndombele, Winks, Sissoko, Skipp, and maybe even Lo Celso are all number #8s who should have a holding player next to them, it was clear last year and remains clear today. Our only two natural holding players are Dier and Wanyama who are absolutely crocked.

Fullback is equally shocking in terms of squad building and strategy. We sell Trippier (our first choice RB, regardless of his performances last year) and then decide Aurier, KWP, Foyth, and sometimes Sanchez should play RB? Genuinely vexed by this one, Aurier has been a nightmare and who at the club even rates KWP, it certainly hasn’t been any of our managers. Then LB, we’re apparently trying to sell Rose all summer to the point where he’s left out of the squad in preseason and then at the Watford training ground on deadline day and then we just expect him to come back and play like nothing happened? Then you’re relying on perpetually injured Davies, aging Vertonghen, and Sessengnon who it is unclear if the club even thinks is a fullback. Shocking transfer/teambuilding strategy.

You look at our two most successful teams in recent history:

2011/2012: (4-2-3-1) Friedel; Walker, Kaboul, King, BAE; Parker, Modric; Lennon, VDV, Bale; Adebayor
2016/2017: (3-5-2) Lloris; Dier, Alderweireld, Vertonghen; Walker, Wanyama, Dembele, Eriksen, Rose; Kane, Alli

These teams picked themselves, all players had a clear role, and everyone was playing in their best position. We didn’t have the depth we do now, but the first team was cogent and excellent. So different from how we are now.

You compare that to today’s lineup. Vertonghen at this point in his career isn’t a LB, Ndombele isn’t a DM, Eriksen isn’t a deeper lying midfielder, Lo Celso shouldn’t play on that wing, and Aurier just isn’t good. It’s the same in other games, Winks and Sissoko can’t play together, and Dier isn’t good enough.

I felt bad for Pochettino earlier this season and I feel bad for Mourinho now, the blame for our underperformance is on those who have assembled this team (impossible to decipher at this club). This summer we totally failed to bring in the right players to balance the midfield (no CDM, too many 8s), totally botched the fullback situation, and retained way too much deadwood and players with contract issues (Rose, Eriksen, Wanyama, Toby, Vertonghen).

If we want to make top 4 this season I’d keep playing Sessegnon at LB, bring Matic in as a short term solution at DM before addressing it long term in the summer, and then try to pay over the top for a RB like Aarons, Ferguson, or anyone really. None of this fits our transfer strategy of only buying the perfect player but we need to face the fact that we’ve fucked ourselves and try to put out some fires.

SpursD22 said:

I’ve always felt this but never wanted to say it because I wanted to give him a proper chance but Mourinho has become a yes man. Poch was onto Levy all the time, telling him we need to rebuild this team but the board did fuck all
Mourinho was desperate to get a second chance that he didn’t care that Levy told him he won’t get a big transfer budget in January, that’s why Jose said he was so happy with his squad and don’t need new players
I’ve said this so long before, no matter who the manager is we need new players. Some of the fans, the board and players acted disgracefully towards Poch when it wasn’t his fault, he worked miracles with us

I’m not blaming Mourinho for our bad performances but he won’t succeed with us without spending money on a DM, midfielder and fullbacks, no way will he achieve anything with us without these signings and it’s not his fault
Without a true DM Alli and Eriksen has to play a lot deeper last season that’s why they weren’t as good as before. Even today look how deep Ndombele and Eriksen was

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how many times did Poch, in his interviews, tell us he was happy with the squad, certainly more times than I have fingers to count. JM is doing the same as there’s no point calling out Levy, he’s the boss.