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So big he dresses on both sides
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Time to change the signature man
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Someone needs to pick the atmosphere off the floor after that joke
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The problem is both of those would have been the wrong choice. Both managers with risks and little in the way of winning things. It probably would not get players on side. This current team has 2-3 years max to win something, that was the logic of the appointment.
Honestly, I wanted Poch to stay but the decision to get him in is logical and for me, likely first choice. This team needs winners not development. In a few years mourinho will leave then we can go for a more long term option.
Also the other options had more risks, Allegri is not proven in England, though I think he is tactically very good he might not be a good PL fit. Anchelloti is not a bad manager but his soft ego messaging approach is unlikely to work here. Benitez hit and miss, a level bellow the others.
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Laughed but not in a casual, carefree way, more like the laughter one emits nanoseconds before a prostrate examination
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I wonder if Mourinho deserves the reputation about needing to buy expensive players or if that was just part of the mission when he was at Madrid and United?
It would be pretty fair when he took those jobs to say that he would need certain tools to achieve the mission and then get disgruntled when they weren't provided. Most people wouldn't agree to overtake Barcelona or Man City without giving themselves the best chance of success.
Poch's initial mission was to get regular CL football to raise the profile of the club while we were building the new infrastructure - he over-delivered massively but we are now at the next stage of the project and it would appear that either Poch didn't have the energy for it (understandable) or Levy didn't think he was capable (less likely IMO).
For me the most interesting thing is what is the mission with Spurs, what is the next stage of the project - is it to win trophies (League Cup, FA Cup and a decent chance at the CL) or is it to overhaul City and Liverpool and win the league and if so what's the timescale for him to achieve these things.
As ever with Spurs, it's never dull!
It would be pretty fair when he took those jobs to say that he would need certain tools to achieve the mission and then get disgruntled when they weren't provided. Most people wouldn't agree to overtake Barcelona or Man City without giving themselves the best chance of success.
Poch's initial mission was to get regular CL football to raise the profile of the club while we were building the new infrastructure - he over-delivered massively but we are now at the next stage of the project and it would appear that either Poch didn't have the energy for it (understandable) or Levy didn't think he was capable (less likely IMO).
For me the most interesting thing is what is the mission with Spurs, what is the next stage of the project - is it to win trophies (League Cup, FA Cup and a decent chance at the CL) or is it to overhaul City and Liverpool and win the league and if so what's the timescale for him to achieve these things.
As ever with Spurs, it's never dull!
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I'm just going to go with the flow about this.
I was completely wrong about Poch when we brought him in, so keeping a completely open mind this time round.
Mad that this is all going to play out as an Amazon documentary though.
Considering how stable things have been in recent years, anyone would thinking we're purposely upping the drama levels for TV...
I was completely wrong about Poch when we brought him in, so keeping a completely open mind this time round.
Mad that this is all going to play out as an Amazon documentary though.
Considering how stable things have been in recent years, anyone would thinking we're purposely upping the drama levels for TV...
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Madrid and Utd are two clubs that are famously rich. Any manager would expect them to stump up the cash.
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And who demand instant success.
That comes at a price, because every selling club knows it. The whole concept of Mourinho only wins because he spends big is only true to a point. Mourinho identifies who will fit in his team and his recent clubs have had the money to make it happen, no matter the cost. That won't work for us, but JM knows this. He clearly feels the squad is more than good enough and will just need funds for the 1 or 2 extra he feels he will need in certain positions.
Nothing is guaranteed, but it's horses for courses. JM is judged on trophies, he knows this. It's the next step in our evolution, it isn't a long term project, this is the top elite football. Does anyone expect Pep or Klopp to stay longer than 5 years?
I for reckon that if Klopp wins (and even more so if he doesn't) the EPL he will return to Germany (possibly as head of Bayern - if they don't appoint anyone between now and end of the season - or as Germany's head coach).
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I'm suddenly finding it all a bit surreal. Can't wait to hear him speak. As there's been no press conference today, and if there isn't one, I suspect we will launch an interview through the official club channel/website, then we can control it. Whether that's up Jose's street, I'm not too sure.
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Gonna be a really interesting couple of years, to say the least. Personally I’m up for it. Even though the squad feels on a bit of a downer, whilst Kane remains, this is still the best chance we’re going to have in the foreseeable future to get some silverware.
I’m really interested to see Mourinho’s approach. At lot has been made about his previous spending habits vs what he’ll have to work with here, but no one seems to be mentioning the fact that this is literally the first job he’s ever taken where he won’t be expected to win the league within 2 years. His frustration with Man Utd in particular was that they wanted the league, they wanted to be back to what they were, and they had the cash to do it, they just seemed to screw around on which players to bring in.
His MO will be to keep us in the top 4 and try to get us a pot. Probably the lowest pressure job he’s had in a long time.
I think we will definitely park the bus and try to shithouse the likes of Pool and Citeh, and personally I’m fine with that, but I do want us to be smashing up the likes of Southampton at home to compensate. He is well capable of playing attacking football when he wants to, so lets hope its part of the plan at least some of the time.
I think he will look to bring Toby and Jan back into the fold if possible, as we don’t have the funds to replace them adequately, and his system will probably put slightly less pressure on the centre backs in general so they both should be good for a couple more years, with Sanchez and Foyth coming through. Less sure on Eriksen, think he’s probably off regardless. Will be really interesting to see what he does with Alli.
I’m really interested to see Mourinho’s approach. At lot has been made about his previous spending habits vs what he’ll have to work with here, but no one seems to be mentioning the fact that this is literally the first job he’s ever taken where he won’t be expected to win the league within 2 years. His frustration with Man Utd in particular was that they wanted the league, they wanted to be back to what they were, and they had the cash to do it, they just seemed to screw around on which players to bring in.
His MO will be to keep us in the top 4 and try to get us a pot. Probably the lowest pressure job he’s had in a long time.
I think we will definitely park the bus and try to shithouse the likes of Pool and Citeh, and personally I’m fine with that, but I do want us to be smashing up the likes of Southampton at home to compensate. He is well capable of playing attacking football when he wants to, so lets hope its part of the plan at least some of the time.
I think he will look to bring Toby and Jan back into the fold if possible, as we don’t have the funds to replace them adequately, and his system will probably put slightly less pressure on the centre backs in general so they both should be good for a couple more years, with Sanchez and Foyth coming through. Less sure on Eriksen, think he’s probably off regardless. Will be really interesting to see what he does with Alli.
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Tottenham hire Joao Sacramento & Mourinho's backroom staff revealed
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Didn't want Poch to go but i'm excited to see how Mourinho builds this team up. Hopefully the football isn't too bad as well.
His first Chelsea team was exciting to watch, until he got rid of Robben for not tracking back enough.
Maybe now we've got Sacramento we'll get Luis Campos as well. He was at Monaco at the same time and then they both went to Lille after.
His first Chelsea team was exciting to watch, until he got rid of Robben for not tracking back enough.
Maybe now we've got Sacramento we'll get Luis Campos as well. He was at Monaco at the same time and then they both went to Lille after.
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I'm happy to wait at the back while you're doing such a fine job.
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And herein lies the problem. I guess we're just hoping now that Jose accepts that it's our expectation to do more with less. To compete and come higher than clubs like United. A club he's just had a bust up with over not spending enough. With the least cash in the top 6. We're asking him to do what Poch did, do more with less. 6th isn't enough. How is he gonna take that wonder... Honestly how long is he likely to be OK with that? 1 year? 1.5 years? 2 years?
Some people are being negative because they don't like the guy. He's Chelsea, he's a dickhead etc. I never gave a shit about that stuff, it's what goes on on the pitch that's most important. And having pissed off players or manager, as we well know, screws that up. I never cared about Poch being nice really, I didn't care about his press conferences.
But then we've not had a Jose type, if he starts slagging off players for no obvious reason for example I'm gonna pissed with him because clearly that won't help us on the pitch. If he starts clearly doing things in his own interests rather than the clubs I'm gonna be pissed with him. He's got previous with both of these. But otherwise, don't care if he's nob.
My real problem with him, is I don't see how he rebuilds us with our level of resources. Porto was a long long time ago. And ever since then he's spent bucket loads. For the first time since Stratford I'm really questioning whether Levy knows what he's doing. It feels like a vanity signing, or at least one based on building Tottenham as a brand and not Tottenham as a football club.
I guess we can all just hope that Joe Lewis has decided we've got some money to burn and he wants to see some fireworks at his age. And he him and Levy are about to do something they've never done before. Unlikely. Otherwise I think we're probably fucked one way or another, just a matter of when.
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This fan base is as allergic to winning as baldilocks is to giving a manager backing with his playing squad.
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Ahh, the exuberance and naivety of youth...
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