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Primativ said:
It's just an opinion, as I see it as the biggest issue in the side right now, I may be wrong who knows.

The Verts issue is definitely not down to fitness come on mate :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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You think this yet you think Verts is dropped because of fitness issues? Odd!! Kane plays because he is clearly superior to Moura or Son as a striker. Let's not forget Kane scored v Burnley as soon as he came back!!!
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I mean you're laughing as if your suggestion that Vert is on the training pitch calling out Winks is more logical? That seems farcical to me. I do think it's down to fitness and yeah maybe Vert has shown his dissent at not being picked but I find it far fetched to believe the reason he's been dropped is because he's out there complaining about Harry Winks starting. Keeping in mind that Vert hasn't started from game one so for your scenario to work he'd have had to be complaining about Winks in pre-season. Now that's laughable.
 
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Primativ said:
It's just an opinion, as I see it as the biggest issue in the side right now, I may be wrong who knows.

The Verts issue is definitely not down to fitness come on mate :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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You obviously have more inside information than the rest of us if you know this for sure. Personally, I thought he might have come back at the start of training in poorer shape than expected and Poch has not taken too kindly to it. But that's a guess whereas your's is definite.
 
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Trix said:
A few of the senior players are not happy ATM with tactics and individual roles/responsibilities within those tactics,.

How that's seen from the club's pov may well be different to how the players themselves see it!

Remember nearly all my stuff comes from agents not from the club.
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The tactics desperately need to be refreshed. Look at Guardiola - constantly evolving at Man City since he joined. Klopp has brought in the players to facilitate his vision. We are in between the two and we're languishing. Poch is not getting the best out of the players we have, but it is worth allowing the new signings to become fit and part of the squad before calling for his head.
 
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wrd said:
I mean you're laughing as if your suggestion that Vert is on the training pitch calling out Winks is more logical? That seems farcical to me. I do think it's down to fitness and yeah maybe Vert has shown his dissent at not being picked but I find it far fetched to believe the reason he's been dropped is because he's out there complaining about Harry Winks starting. Keeping in mind that Vert hasn't started from game one so for your scenario to work he'd have had to be complaining about Winks in pre-season. Now that's laughable.
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You are making it sound like I plucked it out of thin air. I'm just going off what Trix said and Delaney hinted at. The obvious player in the side right now who has the incorrect role and responsibility is Winks.

I absolutely do not think Verts is out of the team because of fitness issues. He's done something to upset Poch clearly.

Maybe Verts voiced his opinion in pre-season when they were working on the formation...they don't just rock up on game day 1 and get told how to play do they! Mayeb Verts was like, Poch, you're going to play Winks as DM? WTF that will never work! :ROFLMAO:
 
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BringBack_leGin said:
Last season’s failing can definitely be attributed in part to Levy’s inability to refresh the squad last summer.

The loss to Newcastle is 100% on Pochettino. The team he fielded should been able to dismantle Newcastle and win home and away to 16 sides in this division. That it failed so spectacularly is either down to tactics, coaching or motivation. None of these are attributable to Levy.

I personally believe we’re not anywhere near crisis point, and the international break provides opportunity to regroup and move forward, so I’m not waving the white hanky yet. Pochettino has banked more than enough goodwill with me at least. However, that will change quickly if we’re approaching October watching the same awful football with more results like Sunday’s.
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Very hard to regroup when the majority won’t even be there. With so many players playing for their countries and with Poch helping them get that opportunity it is something his success even though trophy less has also contributed to another reason we don’t high press as much. Pretty much the previous 2 seasons our main players have literally played week in, week out and the only rest they have had is when injured.

People on here like @Primativ will say that’s just another excuse, but he most probably sits behind a desk in a job that has its pressures, but nothing like the pressures a professional sports person has.
 
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Japhet said:
You obviously have more inside information than the rest of us if you know this for sure. Personally, I thought he might have come back at the start of training in poorer shape than expected and Poch has not taken too kindly to it. But that's a guess whereas your's is definite.
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Why did Verts start in preseason if he was so bad fitness wise....and then dropped for game 1? Also, Verts is a CB, they don't run around that much. And look at the pace we are playing at? The players are hardly breaking sweat.

Bit like Poch saying GLC is miles away from starting as he isn't fit, and then Poch selects a team that doesn't move. Bit ridiculous really.
 
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Primativ said:
Why did Verts start in preseason if he was so bad fitness wise....and then dropped for game 1?
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Because it's pre season and it doesn't matter. He was well off the pace as well which might be an indicator.
 
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Primativ said:
You are making it sound like I plucked it out of thin air. I'm just going off what Trix said and Delaney hinted at. The obvious player in the side right now who has the incorrect role and responsibility is Winks.

I absolutely do not think Verts is out of the team because of fitness issues. He's done something to upset Poch clearly.

Maybe Verts voiced his opinion in pre-season when they were working on the formation...they don't just rock up on game day 1 and get told how to play do they! Mayeb Verts was like, Poch, you're going to play Winks as DM? WTF that will never work! :ROFLMAO:
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I'll be honest, I think you're trying to shoehorn your disdain for Winks into this narrative as I know he grinds your gears. I will concede that I think Winks has not started the season well and even though I'm a fan of his, I'd choose to drop him for the NLD. However I really don't believe that the players would single out Winks as the crux of the problem as an individual.

Maybe yes formation and using two players like that in midfield but I can see it more likely being about players who have excelled in positions for us in the past now being given new roles which they aren't good in, along with the poor shape up top where they're treading over eachothers feet.
 
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wrd said:
I'll be honest, I think you're trying to shoehorn your disdain for Winks into this narrative as I know he grinds your gears. I will concede that I think Winks has not started the season well and even though I'm a fan of his, I'd choose to drop him for the NLD. However I really don't believe that the players would single out Winks as the crux of the problem as an individual.

Maybe yes formation and using two players like that in midfield but I can see it more likely being about players who have excelled in positions for us in the past now being given new roles which they aren't good in, along with the poor shape up top where they're treading over eachothers feet.
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That is a fair assumption. I know how it looks and like I said, it's probably far fetched but who knows.
 
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Trix said:
A few of the senior players are not happy ATM with tactics and individual roles/responsibilities within those tactics,.

How that's seen from the club's pov may well be different to how the players themselves see it!

Remember nearly all my stuff comes from agents not from the club.
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Yeah I know Trix. I wasnt talking about you. More the reaction on social media to changing manager.

Regarding you first paragraph. I’m glad the players are because we can all see it. If they didn’t I’d be even more concerned!

They need to have a chat with Poch then. After all his door is always meant to be open according to him.
 
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Also, Winks has been subbed off in the first two games. If the camp was split on him Poch would be daft to show such apparent weakness. He’d stubbornly stand his ground and give him the full 90 to show who is boss just as much as he’d drop anyone telling him not to pick Winks.
 
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dagraham said:
Don’t blame them. Neither am I.

I know I shouldn’t be speculating, but fuck it. I wonder if Kane is happy with spending the last 12 months playing more as a number 10 ( and sometimes last season more or less playing midfield)? Because it’s doing my bloody head in watching it.
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I do suspect Kane is one of them. The two man forward line is something to consider in tough away games, but we need to move away from it in the majority of games. Let Kane go back to being at the sharp end of the attack, where one smart little pass can give him a shot on goal. Moura just isn't cutting it against the low block. He occupies Kane's space and doesn't offer anything when he drops deep.

Dele will be another, he took a lot of flak last year when doing a job for the team. Let him play off of Kane again and I think we'll see an improvement on both.

As for the formation, I think the big complaint amongst the players will be the diamond formation and the pressure it puts on our full backs. The other thing will be the constant changes to formations and personnel. It's good we are becoming adapatable, but right now we need to go back to the early days and just establish a rock solid plan A. That's up to Poch.
 
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Winks has come out and said there is no unrest. Everyone is dedicated and trying their best.

Do we trust him as ITK
 
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morris25 said:
Winks has come out and said there is no unrest. Everyone is dedicated and trying their best.

Do we trust him as ITK
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Yeah but... Winks is the culprit here didn't you know? Verts is going around saying he's not good enough to play. Fact.
 
Lighty64

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McFlash said:
How is Lo Celso "clearly not match fit"? I know that Poch has come out with his usual nonsense but GLC is no less fit than any other player at this stage of the season. Ndombele, the same.
How come other clubs manage to integrate new players straight away but we have to wait 6 months?
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most probably because during the 4 weeks between finishing the Copa and joining us, I doubt he was doing double training every day:whistle:
 
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