What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

diamond lights · Jan 16, 2017

Reading the comments of the City fans is great - they are expecting us to hammer them.

There's something about it doesn't sit well with me though - too many years a Spurs fan.

Hopefully Poch can continue to take the players "belief" to the levels required. We really do have a big chance of doing something this season. The squad just need to have 100% commitment to the cause.

Klinsmannesque · Jan 16, 2017

Luka Van der Bale said:
Worked this out the other day:

Trippier + Walker + Wimmer + Alderweireld + Vertonghen + Dier + Rose + Davies < Stones.

Add Vorm and Lloris and I think total outlay is around £53m. Simply astounding how they havent given their most glaring weakness a higher level of priority.

Marty · Jan 16, 2017

Klinsmannesque said:
Add Vorm and Lloris and I think total outlay is around £53m. Simply astounding how they havent given their most glaring weakness a higher level of priority.

I still cannot believe that we were the only top 6 side in for Toby. Potentially (and now actually) world class defender, good season at Saints so he was already well adapted to the PL. Complete no-brainer. City should've been all over him.

Come to think of it, I have no idea how Simeone couldn't fine a place for him at Atletico either.

tiger666 · Jan 16, 2017

Luka Van der Bale said:
Worked this out the other day:

Trippier + Walker + Wimmer + Alderweireld + Vertonghen + Dier + Rose + Davies < Stones.

Yet you still get people banging on about net spend..

spursfan77 · Jan 16, 2017

For the love of Spurs said:
Love City to play Zab and Yaha as the middle 2, also get Walker and Rose pushed up high in our 3421 formation could really cause them issues.

I feel Pep doesn't have the players to play quite how he wants and I can understand why their fans are worried. Suppose they can just blow another few hundred million in the summer trying to solve it.

I bet guardiola would prefer having our squad to play with than the one he currently has. Sounds a mad thing to say after the billions Man City have spent on players over the last few years.

yankspurs · Jan 16, 2017

Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

For the love of Spurs · Jan 16, 2017

They seem really amazed at how we put such a good team together for the price.

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/spurs-h-pre-match-thread.326419/page-11

ComfortablyNumb · Jan 16, 2017

yankspurs said:
Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

Everton hardly sat back.

eViL · Jan 16, 2017

yankspurs said:
Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

But we already smashed them at a time when we hadn't really hit our stride and they were on a winning streak.

Sandros Shiny Head · Jan 16, 2017

Whatever their result against Everton was, people on here would find ways to prove thats why we're in for a difficult game.

davidmatzdorf · Jan 16, 2017

ComfortablyNumb said:
Everton hardly sat back.

They certainly did. It wasn't a park-the-bus exercise in pig-headed negativity, but they played a deep-lying defence, allowed Man City to pass the ball in front of defence and dared them to try to penetrate the defensive line, which Man City's attacking players were too lethargic to do. Then they scored on the counter-attack from their first two shots.

What else do you call that?

danielneeds · Jan 16, 2017

yankspurs said:
Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

That's true but they also don't like teams who press them - and with their defenders having little confidence at the moment - if we press well there are mistakes and goals to be had.

For the love of Spurs · Jan 16, 2017

spursfan77 said:
I bet guardiola would prefer having our squad to play with than the one he currently has. Sounds a mad thing to say after the billions Man City have spent on players over the last few years.

Couldn't agree more even Winks, a player who is mobile and doesn't lose the ball much is more suitable than any City central midfielder. Pep has a very specific way of playing that requires very specific types of players.

In attacking positions with Aguero, Silva, De Bryune they have them but they don't have the quick full backs or possession hungry midfielders.

City still can beat us on account of the world class forwards they have but their middle and back players are unsuitable for what Pep wants.

As you say amazing for the amount of money spent.

ComfortablyNumb · Jan 16, 2017

davidmatzdorf said:
They certainly did. It wasn't a park-the-bus exercise in pig-headed negativity, but they played a deep-lying defence, allowed Man City to pass the ball in front of defence and dared them to try to penetrate the defensive line, which Man City's attacking players were too lethargic to do. Then they scored on the counter-attack from their first two shots.

What else do you call that?

I call it "not what Everton did at all". They did score from counter attacks, but they also took a lot of possession into Citeh's half and kept it there. The winning strategy for Everton was to employ more energy, passion and directness.

yankspurs · Jan 16, 2017

danielneeds said:
That's true but they also don't like teams who press them - and with their defenders having little confidence at the moment - if we press well there are mistakes and goals to be had.

Which is what we did last match. But in this new 343 formation, can we really press? Rose and Walker wont press and Dembele doesnt press high up the pitch. We pressed them with 4 players last time out. I really wouldnt be surprised if Son starts instead of Dier or Wimmer and we go 4231 in order to press

Japhet · Jan 16, 2017

ComfortablyNumb said:
I call it "not what Everton did at all". They did score from counter attacks, but they also took a lot of possession into Citeh's half and kept it there. The winning strategy for Everton was to employ more energy, passion and directness.

They also won a lot of the ball in midfield. Sitting back usually relies on launching long balls out from the back and hoping for the best. Everton were happy to pass it through midfield. They also harassed City into a lot of mistakes.

ComfortablyNumb · Jan 16, 2017

Japhet said:
They also won a lot of the ball in midfield. Sitting back usually relies on launching long balls out from the back and hoping for the best. Everton were happy to pass it through midfield. They also harassed City into a lot of mistakes.

That's how I saw it too, and I think it bodes well for next weekend.

Shadydan · Jan 16, 2017

yankspurs said:
Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

It's all well and good having the space but they need to find the space first, if you suffocate them and don't allow them to play out from the back then they won't be able to find their forward players, we suffocated the space in the home game by not only pressing (which I think is generally overblown anyway) but we closed down the passing angles and won the 2nd balls in midfield which meant that they struggled to get attacks going.

Xeeleeyid · Jan 16, 2017

yankspurs said:
Here's the thing with City, against teams that sit back, they are god awful but are very good against teams that dont. Thats what worries me here. We dont sit back so City will have an easier time to begin with even without looking for a response to getting smashed.

It's not so much that, it's that they are a side that is high in ability and I think when they click they are very good, but they are prone to ditching the plan and going into their shells if the going gets tough.

I watched the Chelsea game at the Eitihad. To be honest, City absolutely mullered Chelsea, but missed about a zillion chances, then Chelsea hit them on the counter with a sucker punch goal and City just wilted.

Similar to the Everton game. Up until Everton's first goal, it looked like men against boys, but where Everton were the boys. They couldn't get near City. De Bruyne was imperious. But then as soon as Everton grabbed a flukey goal against the run of play, City just crumbled.

So what we have to do is get the first goal.

Bulletspur · Jan 16, 2017

Marty said:
I still cannot believe that we were the only top 6 side in for Toby. Potentially (and now actually) world class defender, good season at Saints so he was already well adapted to the PL. Complete no-brainer. City should've been all over him.

Come to think of it, I have no idea how Simeone couldn't fine a place for him at Atletico either.

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