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BPR_U16

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Lampard was much more involved in midfield game play, and saw much more ball, and was much less wasteful with it, albeit often in a 3, not a 2.

He's changed no more games positively this season than Son has. He's got talent, and he had a good second half tonight, but he's been fucking woeful for too many games this season, and even tonight in the first half, goal aside, he continually gave the ball trying stupid nutmegs (I stop counting when he lost his fourth).

I don't think it's all his fault, personally I think we won't get the best out of Alli until we can get him into a similar Lampard/Pogba type role and he develops better composure with maturity.

BC just remember Dele is 20 so he has still got much to learn - what he has achieved in first 50 games is only a guide to what we hope he will develop in to. (Think your comparisons of Lampard play refer to a much more mature Frank).
 

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He plays differently to Lampard, for sure - because he's got the legs to go beyond the striker and behind the defence. Lampard never had that and adapted his game suitably, joining in the the attack late at the right time. Different players.

As I say, appreciate him, because he might not be here forever.

I appreciate the moments of clarity, I don't really appreciate the game after game of fumbling away possession cheaply.
 

Sweetsman

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Lampard was much more involved in midfield game play, and saw much more ball, and was much less wasteful with it, albeit often in a 3, not a 2.

He's changed no more games positively this season than Son has. He's got talent, and he had a good second half tonight, but he's been fucking woeful for too many games this season, and even tonight in the first half, goal aside, he continually gave the ball trying stupid nutmegs (I stop counting when he lost his fourth).

I don't think it's all his fault, personally I think we won't get the best out of Alli until we can get him into a similar Lampard/Pogba type role and he develops better composure with maturity.
Lampard wasn't as good as him at the age of twenty, so your comparison isn't correct. That said, Alli has glitter in and out of games, but that's to be expected in a player of his age.
 

muppetman

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It's interesting that the change of mentality we now have is taken for granted.

Pre Poch going a goal down against a team like Southampton at home would have seen us comfortably lose it. Instead we imposed ourselves on the game and were comfortable winners. Really pleased.
 

dondo

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Lampard was much more involved in midfield game play, and saw much more ball, and was much less wasteful with it, albeit often in a 3, not a 2.

He's changed no more games positively this season than Son has. He's got talent, and he had a good second half tonight, but he's been fucking woeful for too many games this season, and even tonight in the first half, goal aside, he continually gave the ball trying stupid nutmegs (I stop counting when he lost his fourth).

I don't think it's all his fault, personally I think we won't get the best out of Alli until we can get him into a similar Lampard/Pogba type role and he develops better composure with maturity.


Lampard was nowhere as good as alli at 20.
To compare lampards career as a whole to a 20 year old alli is very unfair. Lampard showed a lot of potential in his West Ham days and early in his Chelsea career and he was 23 when he moved to Chelsea
 

danielneeds

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I appreciate the moments of clarity, I don't really appreciate the game after game of fumbling away possession cheaply.
He's not the messiah - he's just a kid learning the game. As fans we've got to understand that too. At the moment he wants every pass to be a killer one, every touch to be a nutmeg. He's got to learn percentages without losing the killer instinct. It will come with experience and good management.
 

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It's not a fluke. From the replay, you can see that the ball is hit straight at Son. What the deflection does is change the angle of flight just slightly so that Son is running "onto" the ball rather than having to check his run to receive it, which he would have had to do without the deflection.
The deflection helped, but the pass was far from a fluke.
That pass was inch perfect whatever they say.
 

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BC just remember Dele is 20 so he has still got much to learn - what he has achieved in first 50 games is only a guide to what we hope he will develop in to. (Think your comparisons of Lampard play refer to a much more mature Frank).

I appreciate his age which is why I said "develops composure with maturity", but even as a kid Lampard was more composed and less clumsy as well as having a knack of "arriving" and great technique at the death. And the point I was making originally, before others tried turning it another debate, was that he hasn't really scored most of his goals from "midfield" which kind of puts his achievements into a false light, he's played as an AM, and some games he's ambled about almost more as a second striker, and you cannot claim he's scored goals from midfield, which suggests he's been doing a midfielder's job as well as banging in goals, which he hasn't.
 

ComfortablyNumb

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We're currently quoting one another in retrospect, you saw it one way, I saw it another. Let's agree to disagree.

That's football eh.

No, this is not football, this is two tarts dancing around their handbags on the internet. The football finished an hour ago.

Not that this isn't amusing, though...
 

jonathanhotspur

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I appreciate the moments of clarity, I don't really appreciate the game after game of fumbling away possession cheaply.
Never a man to go chasing the green, I have to put my hand on my heart and say I thought he was poor tonight. And that's exactly what I was thinking just before he bagged his second. He gave the ball away too cheaply too often and is a factor in our laboured build-up play, IMO. Clearly the boy has talent but I don't quite know what his best position is.
 

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@Ionman34 how can you disagree?! It's clear as day



It's going to the right back



How the hell does that angle prove your point. Look at it from the diagonal - Sky showed the perfect angle, the camera is in line with both Eriksen and Son. You can see from that angle the pass is hit with pace and is going straight to Son. Yes, if Romeo doesn't head it, Son may have had to control it, instead of it diverting 3 yards ahead of him saving him having to do that, but no way was it 5 (or even 1) yards behind him.
 

slartibartfast

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Shame of quoting my own post notwithstanding, Poch's post match interview shows that he clearly wasn't impressed with that first 15 mins either. Great result and overall great performance, but it could quite easily have gone the other way.
15mins? Thats when I turned it off as I couldn't watch it anymore I was getting so angry.
I honestly have no idea wtf they were doing. Shambolic.
Couldn't go long before turning it back on to see we'd just equalised and it was better from then on but really, I wish we'd stop fkin around with it around our own goal area. I wish we'd stop throwing it backwards to the halfway line when we're in the final third. And I wish Verts had put some effort in to stop that goal but at the end of the day we deserved the win, Kane scored, Allis firing and those wanting Son gone look fkin stupid again so not a bad night.
Just knowing it made Maureen miserable has put a spring in my step.
Seriously though Spurs sort it out or I'm gonna have an aneurysm before season is over playing like that first 15min.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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To compare Alli to Lampard is laughable - and not just because Alli is only 20. They don't really play the same position. Lampard was more of a CM, while Alli is more of a AM/Second Striker. Different roles, different responsibilities.

Alli is young, and prone to inconsistencies - but we want AMs who take risks more frequently. And, when you take more risks, you make more mistakes - it comes with the territory. Alli plays every game, because he rarely makes mistakes that lead to clear chances for the opposition, and he will make plays for Spurs that lead to scoring chances, and he knows how to get in position to score goals. He is not going to be a player who never loses possession, or always makes the right pass, with the right weight - but he is a player we want to have on the pitch as often as possible - because he can create and score goals.
 

heelspurs

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Great result. After all the teams above us won their games there was a bit of extra pressure, and obviously going a goal down so early didn't help. But we stuck with it and delivered a miserable Christmas to what I consider to be a pretty annoying group of fans.

Alli somehow in his worst and best form simultaneously.

Hopefully it bodes well for the second half of the season that we've played very casually in a lot of games. Hopefully when we do click into action we won't burn out this time.
He is indeed the Schrodinger's cat of the football world. Easier to deal with now that balls are going in the net. but earlier this season it was frustrating.
 
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