Match Threads Spurs vs Southampton - Match Thread - Day 33

[SpursSince1980]

What you have to remember is that the starting point was a fragile team low on form and confidence. The first half and how it went was probably inevitable, a tug of war between old and new. Trying to put into place what was being asked of them by a new regime – more possession, more play, more front foot, more pressing. The nonsense that’s been drilled into them for the last 18 months though still looming large. And so a team that looked uneasy and caught between playing styles. Couldn’t really complain that we went 1-0 down, heads did look dangerously close to dropping and the players stopped running for a time, and we just about survived a precarious spell of the game where we could have been left with too much to come back from.

Second half a combination of things happened. We kept trying to play, got a bit more control and play going through the midfield, we have to admit that Southampton died on their arse and the injury to Ings didn’t help them, but we kept plugging away, eventually managed to put some football together and in the end I felt we just about deserved all three points.

But hey, I’ve got zero expectations for the remaining games and any wins and performances are a bonus. All I can say is I saw some actual passing moves and football from us tonight, and at one point counted a 7 man press…… That’s automatically infinite progress as far as I’m concerned.

You know what’s odd? Is the inverse thing happened in Jose’s first game with us. We didn’t look nervous or jittery, due to low confidence from the previous three months of results. We didn’t look baffled at the new style of play. If I recall, wasn’t it West Ham? We shat all over them until the last 15 mins, then conceded two goals from two mistakes... and that’s when the team started to look unsettled and insecure. That game, kinda incapsulated in 90 mins, what the Spurs experience would be like under Jose. Main point of differential being that the team still felt like a team. Then, it all went up in smoke.

 

[Shadydan]

No, the reason Winks gets game time is because of our poor squad building. Like it or not, he's the next man in line when you start with PEH, GLC and Ndom, who else are you going to throw in to freshen it up? Sissoko?

At the end of the day both Sissoko and Winks are nowhere near good enough, get rid urgently. We need to improve, we need better squad players.

You keep saying that we need to get rid, yes we know that but that's not the argument here. ?‍

Put GLC next to Hojbjerg and sub Ndombele for Lamela or Dele or put on Sissoko because this was a what Jose was doing more of then than not whilst Winks sat is arse on the bench. The funny thing is that we had more control of the ball when Winks came on and it was a rare occasion where a substitute proved to be positive and allowed us to gain a foothold in the match for probably the first time this season.

Saying that Winks is crap a Ndombele is good isn't gonna cut it, you're gonna have to think a bit more critically than that fella.

 

[Aphex]

You keep saying that we need to get rid, yes we know that but that's not the argument here. ?‍

Put GLC next to Hojbjerg and sub Ndombele for Lamela or Dele or put on Sissoko because this was a what Jose was doing more of then than not whilst Winks sat is arse on the bench. The funny thing is that we had more control of the ball when Winks came on and it was a rare occasion where a substitute proved to be positive and allowed us to gain a foothold in the match for probably the first time this season.

Saying that Winks is crap a Ndombele is good isn't gonna cut it, you're gonna have to think a bit more critically than that fella.

You think that Winks came on meant we controlled the game (it wasn't) and completely overlook that actually it was because the whole team grew in confidence and Southampton wilted due to us scoring an equalizing goal which Ndombele directly helped create. The reason the game changed was because we scored, not because Winks came on and passed sideways. Jeez.

 

[Shadydan]

You think that Winks came on meant we controlled the game (it wasn't) and completely overlook that actually it was because the whole team grew in confidence and Southampton wilted due to us scoring an equalizing goal which Ndombele directly helped create. The reason the game changed was because we scored, not because Winks came on and passed sideways. Jeez.

Read what I said again.

I said we had more control of the ball when Winks came on and that is a fact. I said nothing about him coming on was the reason we controlled the game (fully aware we were in control before then) however much you want to force that debate on me because it aligns with your desperate little narrative. This is where you make yourself continually look silly about these little digs about Winks which are unnecessary and untrue, it does nothing for your argument and just makes you sounds biased, how as I meant to take you seriously with this nonsense?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You think that Winks came on meant we controlled the game (it wasn't) and completely overlook that actually it was because the whole team grew in confidence and Southampton wilted due to us scoring an equalizing goal which Ndombele directly helped create. The reason the game changed was because we scored, not because Winks came on and passed sideways. Jeez.

Within a few minutes of coming on, Winks had stolen the ball on the right flank, executed a skilful turn away from the opponent and fired off an accurate, angled forward pass into an attacking player, leading to a half-chance that our attacking players messed up.

You're seeing only what you want and expect to see and posting repetitive statements about what a player "is" instead of observing what the player "does" before drawing conclusions. It's also a narrow, individual-based way to judge what is entirely a team game.

As @Shadydan said, there's no critical faculty being employed here, just an insistent repetition that player "is crap", without any proper arguments deployed to back it up. It's not possible to take your posts seriously, they're like a parody of the unobservant, scapegoat-focused football fan.

 

[Amo]

When Winks came on he hit a glorious Pirloesque lofted pass to someone on the wing who was running to space behind Southampton lines. The ball seemed almost weightless as it glided elegantly over the heads of the opposition defense.

Then it turned out it was a camera perspective trick when a Southampton player casually controlled the ball like 15 metres ahead of the intended recipient.

Thought that was hilarious.

 

[Partizan]

I did wonder what became of Primativ as he hadn't posted in a year now. It seems like he's gone 2.0...

 

[smallsnc]

Have you ever done the Ironman?

Ndombele is good even when he is not on his game, he has a unique skill and plays a little like a hockey player with his bending and turning.
I would start him on Sunday, but Winks was good when he came on last night and would also consider him for Sunday I will leave the decision up to Ryan.
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IMO, Ndombele is good on the ball, almost always, but unfortunately offers little off the ball which is one of the reasons most midfields run circles around us. Winks, while he doesn't get stuck in as many would say, does cover a lot more ground, get in the passing lanes and show for the ball to offer his teammates an option. Lo Celso falls somewhere in-between the two. Hojberg does his job very well but does not have the range that some of the other central midfielders we play against have. For me, I would rather play Winks and Hojberg together against a team like City with Ndombele in front of them, bringing Lo Celso on for either Winks or Ndombele in the 2nd half based on the play of the game.

 

[Shadydan]

I did wonder what became of Primativ as he hadn't posted in a year now. It seems like he's gone 2.0...

He is scarily similar, even looks like him with the same pink colour on his avatar