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yankspurs · Jan 8, 2016

Stoof said:
All you know is what Pulis and the Press are pushing. Not the actual facts.

Well considering there has been one off itk from west brom's academy on here that he was a distruption even then to, i tend to believe what pulis and the press say a whole heck of alot more.

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

Stoof said:
All you know is what Pulis and the Press are pushing. Not the actual facts.

There's been itk from a couple of members on here who have links to WB (forgot which threads, maybe someone else can point you to them).

Sounded plausible to me, but I'm sure everyone will make their own minds up.

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

Shadydan said:
For someone that has praised Poch's authoritarian manner and his take no shit approach in how he dealt with Andros Townsend I'm surprised that you think Berahino will be able to successfully disrupt our dressing room. Do you think the manager won't be able to handle him and whip him into shape or do you really think that this one player will destroy the discipline and mentslity Poch has instilled at this club?

Osvaldo was a nut case and had history of physical violence to his team mates where as Berahino has been a victim of physical violence from his team mate.

I don't want us bringing in players poch has to 'whip into shape' when there are players like embolo out there with, seemingly, the perfect attitude/mentality and skillset that we're not going the extra mile to get.

I don't get the Berahino love in on here in the slightest. It's weird.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 8, 2016

midoNdefoe said:
My point being - The itk doesnt say its a new concern.

I am confused by the point you are making? If we made bids previously, and continue to show an interest now, all the while knowing of his apparent disruptive nature, surely that is an ongoing concern - not some new revelation...?

As has been discussed, both Poch and Mitchell look for the 'right mentality' in the players they hope to aquire. They may have concerns - the need for a striker may outweigh these concerns.

I'm confused as to how you're not seeing the point I'm making? Is it not straightforward?

Poch has wanted, and has chased Berahino for some 6 months or so now but, all of a sudden, there's ITK saying Poch isn't sure because of concerns about how Berahino could be disruptive.

Berahino is still the same player, and same person that he's been since our interest was confirmed. Berahino has been acting in the same manner since that interest was confirmed.

I stated myself in the response you initially quoted, "I'd imagine Poch, the guy who apparently looks deeply into a players mentality before deciding if he wants him"

So, taking that into account, after so many different ITK's have repeatedly stated that Berahino is "the one" for Poch, why is it only now that the doubts about his possible disruptive attitude have been brought up ?

If Poch/Mitchell really do look deeply into a players attitude etc before deciding whether to make a move or not, they won't have needed the last 6 months to finally realise that it's a possibility where Berahino is concerned. If that tweet in the summer didn't at least open their eyes a little, they are nowhere near as good at their jobs as I currently believe they are.

Lilbaz · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
I'm confused as to how you're not seeing the point I'm making? Is it not straightforward?

Poch has wanted, and has chased Berahino for some 6 months or so now but, all of a sudden, there's ITK saying Poch isn't sure because of concerns about how Berahino could be disruptive.

Berahino is still the same player, and same person that he's been since our interest was confirmed. Berahino has been acting in the same manner since that interest was confirmed.

I stated myself in the response you initially quoted, "I'd imagine Poch, the guy who apparently looks deeply into a players mentality before deciding if he wants him"

So, taking that into account, after so many different ITK's have repeatedly stated that Berahino is "the one" for Poch, why is it only now that the doubts about his possible disruptive attitude have been brought up ?

If Poch/Mitchell really do look deeply into a players attitude etc before deciding whether to make a move or not, they won't have needed the last 6 months to finally realise that it's a possibility where Berahino is concerned. If that tweet in the summer didn't at least open their eyes a little, they are nowhere near as good at their jobs as I currently believe they are.

Berahino wasn't the one. We were trying to get him before we signed njie and son. If he was that important we would have not got them and used the money to get him.

wishkah · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
I stated myself in the response you initially quoted, "I'd imagine Poch, the guy who apparently looks deeply into a players mentality before deciding if he wants him"
.

'Arry used to do that as well. That's why he'd only sign 'Triffic Lads' who were 'top top players'

dagraham · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
I don't want us bringing in players poch has to 'whip into shape' when there are players like embolo out there with, seemingly, the perfect attitude/mentality and skillset that we're not going the extra mile to get.

I don't get the Berahino love in on here in the slightest. It's weird.

I think the love in is mainly because we are getting desperate and many can see all the good work we've done go tits up by fading away. Berahino is one striker we know the manager wants and thinks can fit in with us (at least on the pitch). Plus he is clearly desperate to join us, is not on huge wages and also has a pre existing understanding with Kane.

There are other strikers that I would prefer, but facing the prospect of going into the rest of the season with what we have I'll be very relieved to sign Berahino in Jan.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 8, 2016

Lilbaz said:
Berahino wasn't the one. We were trying to get him before we signed njie and son. If he was that important we would have not got them and used the money to get him.

Then why the multiple bids on Deadline Day, and although I can't remember the exact words, when speaking about Berahino, did Poch not give some speach about falling in love, and being with "the one" etc?

Shadydan · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
I don't want us bringing in players poch has to 'whip into shape' when there are players like embolo out there with, seemingly, the perfect attitude/mentality and skillset that we're not going the extra mile to get.

I don't get the Berahino love in on here in the slightest. It's weird.

I'd like to know who you think we can get this month who is a realistic target...struggling to think of any...

Nothing to do with love really, you preach so much about Poch and how we must back him and how he's earn the our trust you think he's making the wrong decision going for a player he clearly rates, that's weird.

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

dagraham said:
I think the love in is mainly because we are getting desperate and many can see all the good work we've done go tits up by fading away. Berahino is one striker we know the manager wants and thinks can fit in with us (at least one the pitch). Plus he is clearly desperate to join us, is not on huge wages and also has a pre existing understanding with Kane.

There are other strikers that I would prefer, but facing the prospect of going into the rest of the season with what we have I'll be very relieved to sign Berahino in Jan.

There's no way we should be in a position where he is the only serious option for us just because of those reasons.

We should have 3/4 serious contenders at this point and be working on them all out.

I'm sure poch really fancies a couple other players that are around as well. He must.

Him umming and ahhhing about Bera at this point just isn't good (if BEN's itk is accurate).

dagraham · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
There's no way we should be in a position where he is the only serious option for us just because of those reasons.

We should have 3/4 serious contenders at this point and be working on them all out.

I'm sure poch really fancies a couple other players that are around as well. He must.

Him umming and ahhhing about Bera at this point just isn't good (if BEN's itk is accurate).

I don't disagree, but I think it's quite apparent that we don't really seem to have any other viable targets in Jan. My personal preference would be to get someone experienced on loan for the rest of the season and go all out for that Michy guy in the summer. However, it looks like Berahino, Dembele or no one.

So I'll take Berahino.

Lilbaz · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
Then why the multiple bids on Deadline Day, and although I can't remember the exact words, when speaking about Berahino, did Poch not give some speach about falling in love, and being with "the one" etc?

Why did he also give a speach saying that a backup striker was not a necessity and that son etc... could cover.

Yes we wanted him in the summer and i don't think it was ideal. I just don't think that we were as desperate for him as some make out, otherwise we'd have got him before going for son and njie. Let alone werner.

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

Shadydan said:
I'd like to know who you think we can get this month who is a realistic target...struggling to think of any...

Nothing to do with love really, you preach so much about Poch and how we must back him and how he's earn the our trust you think he's making the wrong decision going for a player he clearly rates, that's weird.

It's not just going for a player he clearly rates though is it. It's a player he clearly rates that has a cloud around him for various reasons and carries a risk factor in an area that he's only recently had to rectify here.

And backing poch doesn't make him exempt from any sort of criticism or questioning.

Also, if Bera did come I'd be behind him 100% and would hope it worked out. I just don't want us to take the risk in the circumstances. I don't think it's necessary.

Things are sweet in the squad; why risk it.

longtimespur · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
It's not just going for a player he clearly rates though is it. It's a player he clearly rates that has a cloud around him for various reasons and carries a risk factor in an area that he's only recently had to rectify here.

And backing poch doesn't make him exempt from any sort of criticism or questioning.

Also, if Bera did come I'd be behind him 100% and would hope it worked out. I just don't want us to take the risk in the circumstances. I don't think it's necessary.

Things are sweet in the squad; why risk it.

Which is the biggest risk though. Getting Berahino or having no competition for Kane and hope we don't end up running him into the ground?

We may be looking at others but they are very much under the radar atm. and I don't mean the youngsters for the future like Shillow Tracey and Moussa #2

Stoof · Jan 8, 2016

yankspurs said:
Well considering there has been one off itk from west brom's academy on here that he was a distruption even then to, i tend to believe what pulis and the press say a whole heck of alot more.

Fine, but that's completely not the actual full set of facts ... and I expect will be a myth perpetuated by you (and others).

Consider why he'd still be on the bloody bench if he was such a trouble-maker. From our own circumstances, when Modric and Bale kicked up a stink they were far far away from the team. Certainly not on the bench (and playing).

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

longtimespur said:
Which is the biggest risk though. Getting Berahino or having no competition for Kane and hope we don't end up running him into the ground?

We may be looking at others but they are very much under the radar atm. and I don't mean the youngsters for the future like Shillow Tracey and Moussa #2

I just don't believe Bera is the only serious option on the table. With the set-up we now have I just don't believe that.

[edit] I have said before though that if N'jie hadn't gotten injured I would have liked him to understudy Kane and for Poch to work him into that position for us as I think he could be a very good striker.

Just hope his pace doesn't suffer for his injury.

longtimespur · Jan 8, 2016

longtimespur said:
Which is the biggest risk though. Getting Berahino or having no competition for Kane and hope we don't end up running him into the ground?

We may be looking at others but they are very much under the radar atm. and I don't mean the youngsters for the future like Shillow Tracey and Moussa #2

thinktank said:
I just don't believe Bera is the only serious option on the table. With the set-up we now have I just don't believe that.

Nor do I hence my emboldened in my original post. (y)

Although @Trix seems to think he may be the only one.

brasil_spur · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
I don't get the Berahino love in on here in the slightest. It's weird.

Did you 'get' the Alderweirld love in or the Alli love in during the summer? And i bet you (like me) thougt that anyone raving about how we had to hold on to Dembele and Lamela at any cost over that window were nutters.

Yet here we are 6 months later with the first two players above being potential MVPs this year and the second two also being as likely for that.

In Poch and his team we trust, if he thinks Berahino is the one then i am happy to trust his judgement this time round.

brasil_spur · Jan 8, 2016

brasil_spur said:
Did you 'get' the Alderweirld love in or the Alli love in during the summer? And i bet you (like me) thougt that anyone raving about how we had to hold on to Dembele and Lamela at any cost over that window were nutters.

Yet here we are 6 months later with the first two players above being potential MVPs this year and the second two also being as likely for that.

In Poch and his team we trust, if he thinks Berahino is the one then i am happy to trust his judgement this time round.

Further to this, if buying Berahino and sticking him on the bench has the same effect on one of our attacking players as signing Trippier and bechning him has had on Walker then i'm all for that too.

Lilbaz · Jan 8, 2016

brasil_spur said:
Further to this, if buying Berahino and sticking him on the bench has the same effect on one of our attacking players as signing Trippier and bechning him has had on Walker then i'm all for that too.

Remember walker was out for 9 months. This season he has had a full preseason. Trippier might have helped as well but we forget what walker went through last season. Our fans sometimes need patience with players.

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