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Buster18 · Jan 8, 2016

Is there a chance he will leave on loan Trix or are his options all perm?

Sweech · Jan 8, 2016

dagraham said:
So no plan b again, with the same negotiating tactics employed by Levy. Hope Harry is taking plenty of vitamins.

Pretty despicable of Levy considering there's an absolute boatload of top strikers who have proven they can score in this league available.

Just like every year in January. Teams lining up to sell their strikers.

BPR_U16 · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
No disrespect to BEN, but I find it incredibly difficult to believe that Poch has only just started to have concerns about any possible negative influence that Berahino could bring to the table.

Bloody hell, there's been none stop arguing on here since the summer, because the likes of @yankspurs & a few others have been saying exactly that.

I'd imagine Poch, the guy who apparently looks deeply into a players mentality before deciding if he wants him, doesn't need 6 months of seeing WBA & Berahino at war, before deciding he may be a negative influence in the changing room.

you may be right - but who pays a blind bit of notice to what yankspurs says? :LOL:

dagraham · Jan 8, 2016

Sweech said:
Pretty despicable of Levy considering there's an absolute boatload of top strikers who have proven they can score in this league available.

Just like every year in January. Teams lining up to sell their strikers.

We've been through this argument before so I won't bore anyone with it again. All I'll say is that if that is indeed the case and we have a striker who wants to join us and who our manager wants, then it's about time we put up or shut up and pay them what they want.

It's all very well trying to get maximum VFM all the time, but sometimes you have to pay above market value for assets if your need is particularly great. Strikers can't always be valued as objectively as other players. They simply cost more. That's the way it always is and always will be.[/QUOTE]

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 8, 2016

BPR_U16 said:
you may be right - but who pays a blind bit of notice to what yankspurs says?

On this particular topic, I certainly do, and have had multiple arguments on here about it.

I know you were joking buddy

longtimespur · Jan 8, 2016

dovahkiin said:
nothing much, repeats
BEN on berahino (again): Poch likes him but worried [about disrupting, bad influence etc]

Thanks for this Dov but can you clarify the bit in brackets please.

It's in black whereas the quote is in blue and part of the quote or does this mean it was added by somebody other than BEN?
If it's the former then we shouldn't go for him, if it's the latter maybe Poch is just worried about Peace's ego and whether we'll get him

Spurs 1961 · Jan 8, 2016

Poch would be a fool not to take the behaviour of Berahino into account. What he has to do is get all the evidence he can, speak to whoever he needs and then weigh the pros and cons.

Lilbaz · Jan 8, 2016

dagraham said:
We've been through this argument before so I won't bore anyone with it again. All I'll say is that if that is indeed the case and we have a striker who wants to join us and who our manager wants, then it's about time we put up or shut up and pay them what they want.

It's all very well trying to get maximum VFM all the time, but sometimes you have to pay above market value for assets if your need is particularly great. Strikers can't always be valued as objectively as other players. They simply cost more. That's the way it always is and always will be.

[/QUOTE]

Which is perfectly reasonable and logical apart from one little detail. What if we don't have enough money?

dagraham · Jan 8, 2016

Which is perfectly reasonable and logical apart from one little detail. What if we don't have enough money?[/QUOTE]

We have heard from Trix and other ITK's that we are not short of funds and we know the current revenues from the TV deals are huge. I know we are not Chelsea and City and have a stadium to pay for, but that will be paid mostly by bank loans and sponsorship deals whether we buy Berahinho or not.

I don't expect us to be able to pay WBA £20m up front, but I do think it's reasonable to suggest that we could pay them in a manner more suitable to there requirements and most importantly not present a bid to them that totals what they want 3 hours before the window ends.

eViL · Jan 8, 2016

The trouble is, some fans still think 'Grrr.. it's only a couple of £million', with no concept that we're talking about a FUCKING MILLION QUID.

a MILLION.

It's not a drop in the ocean.

yido_number1 · Jan 8, 2016

yankspurs said:
If Levy dares to sell Kane, to Madrid no less he'd lose all the support he still has. He would be booed out of the stadium if he does that. I'd think he wouldnt be so stupid as too do that.

You know its a strange day when you agree with something @yankspurs posts!

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

dovahkiin said:
nothing much, repeats
BEN on berahino (again): Poch likes him but worried [about disrupting, bad influence etc]

Jesus, we don't have to go for someone we have doubts about. Move on poch; let's go balls out for someone with the right character/attitude form the off and let's get this shit crakalaxin.

Osvaldo, poch. Learn the lesson.

Shadydan · Jan 8, 2016

Berahino is nothing like Osvaldo

midoNdefoe · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
No disrespect to BEN, but I find it incredibly difficult to believe that Poch has only just started to have concerns about any possible negative influence that Berahino could bring to the table.

Bloody hell, there's been none stop arguing on here since the summer, because the likes of @yankspurs & a few others have been saying exactly that.

I'd imagine Poch, the guy who apparently looks deeply into a players mentality before deciding if he wants him, doesn't need 6 months of seeing WBA & Berahino at war, before deciding he may be a negative influence in the changing room.

Where does it say it is a new concern?

thinktank · Jan 8, 2016

Shadydan said:
Berahino is nothing like Osvaldo

Obviously, my point was disruption.

That can come in many forms, but the outcome is always the same - disharmony.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 8, 2016

midoNdefoe said:
Where does it say it is a new concern?

Eh? I'm not understanding your point at all? If it's not a new concern, why the hell did we place multiple bids in the summer, and are, according to ITK, still trying to sort out a deal?

Stoof · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
Obviously, my point was disruption.

That can come in many forms, but the outcome is always the same - disharmony.

All you know is what Pulis and the Press are pushing. Not the actual facts.

Shadydan · Jan 8, 2016

thinktank said:
Obviously, my point was disruption.

That can come in many forms, but the outcome is always the same - disharmony.

For someone that has praised Poch's authoritarian manner and his take no shit approach in how he dealt with Andros Townsend I'm surprised that you think Berahino will be able to successfully disrupt our dressing room. Do you think the manager won't be able to handle him and whip him into shape or do you really think that this one player will destroy the discipline and mentslity Poch has instilled at this club?

Osvaldo was a nut case and had history of physical violence to his team mates where as Berahino has been a victim of physical violence from his team mate.

midoNdefoe · Jan 8, 2016

coopsieyid said:
Eh? I'm not understanding your point at all? If it's not a new concern, why the hell did we place multiple bids in the summer, and are, according to ITK, still trying to sort out a deal?

My point being - The itk doesnt say its a new concern.

I am confused by the point you are making? If we made bids previously, and continue to show an interest now, all the while knowing of his apparent disruptive nature, surely that is an ongoing concern - not some new revelation...?

As has been discussed, both Poch and Mitchell look for the 'right mentality' in the players they hope to aquire. They may have concerns - the need for a striker may outweigh these concerns.

GetSpurredOn · Jan 8, 2016

So, did I read ITK somewhere that Demebele was being looked at as an alternative to Berahino, or was it potentially both, Berahino now and Dembele on a pre-contract??

Seems like most likely outcome is
Fazio and Townsend (imminently) departing
Berahino (or similar) in, with the odd younger player signed up with a view to next season rather than now...

Is that a reasonable assessment?

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