Chris12
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No but then again Apple and Samsung are bigger and more well known across the world than Carlyle Group.
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THFCSPURS19
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Have you seen the companies the Carlyle Group own/used to own?
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Yes, big companies. However, a lot of people nowadays won't necessarily know who owns Dunkin' Donuts or Hertz. They will know those companies but not necessarily who owns them because why should they?
Carlyle Group is big and owns a lot of big companies as pointed out, but not necessarily mean a lot of people actually know of Carlyle Group itself. I'm not saying it purely for publicity, but to shoot it down so quickly is unreasonable just because some people may want to believe it that they are interested in purchasing us.
Lol. They hardly need publicity at all. Anyone who matters know who they are. They dont care if normal people dont know who they are. The people who need to know who they are, know. And they have known for years. Carlyle has been around since 1987 and have about $200bn in assets under management(according to wiki). This is hardly a publicity move. Publicity has NOTHING to do with this.
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How do you know wouldn't want to get extra publicity?
Again, I'm not saying it is for publicity. I am just saying that it could be a possibility. No reason at the moment to think it's genuine interest or is even true.
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They don't need it.
They are very well known, and more importantly....they are the first name to come to mind for the people that Carlyle want to deal with in business.
It's the same thing with Cain Hoy.....as much as people like to say it is for plublicity and to get their name out to the general public that isn't the type of publicity they want. These groups don't want the business of the unwashed masses, it's too much of a hassle.
These groups want exceptionally wealthy people and leaders of industry to know who they are....thing is....those people know very well who Carlyle (and the people involved with Cain Hoy) are and what they do....they have a long track record of it, they have people in the organization who's job it is to cultivate those relationships and if they just wanted publicity for something....to target the people they want it would be much easier and more focused if they were to release something through Bloomberg than the Standard.
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Thank you for a nice clear explanation. Makes more sense when described like that.
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See, this is what always makes me chuckle about not only Spurs fans but football fans in general.
All we know is that some American investors have looked in our direction with the bones of some sort of investment in mind - nothing more, anything else unless directly from one of them in that group or someone at the club is assumption, i somehow doubt any group looking to invest the sort of sum this article leans toward would be chatting about it in bars to be overheard.
Yet, despite no meeting yet taking place, possibly even no contact taking place, possibly even this entire story coming from a journo who drank his own bodyweight in Jagerbombs with an American investor who just waffled about this idea he's got, the whole place is in a flap about it. Papers talk as if the deal is all but done, fans talk about what's going to happen next, where we go, will anything change?
No! Nothing will change as it stands, as nothing has actually happened.
We've had enquiries from other investors that were literally, "sorry to have bothered you, we'll see ourselves out" encounters, yet this warrants an article in the papers. Reckon.
All we know is that some American investors have looked in our direction with the bones of some sort of investment in mind - nothing more, anything else unless directly from one of them in that group or someone at the club is assumption, i somehow doubt any group looking to invest the sort of sum this article leans toward would be chatting about it in bars to be overheard.
Yet, despite no meeting yet taking place, possibly even no contact taking place, possibly even this entire story coming from a journo who drank his own bodyweight in Jagerbombs with an American investor who just waffled about this idea he's got, the whole place is in a flap about it. Papers talk as if the deal is all but done, fans talk about what's going to happen next, where we go, will anything change?
No! Nothing will change as it stands, as nothing has actually happened.
We've had enquiries from other investors that were literally, "sorry to have bothered you, we'll see ourselves out" encounters, yet this warrants an article in the papers. Reckon.
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Thank you for a nice clear explanation. Makes more sense when described like that.
no worries, i keep seeing people refer to these investment firms wanting publicity....and they may want it, but they don't want it from average people.
Most of these large firms have specific requirements for the amount of money the investor has available to have to even work with you.
It's not uncommon for these groups to say you need to have $10m+ in liquid capital for them to work with you.....and while you may get the attention of a few people with that money by getting a story in the sports section of one of the papers you are much more likely to get the attention you want from the people you want by getting stories about you in Forbes, WSJ, Barron's, Kiplinger or Bloomberg.
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Makes sense. I personally didn't know what it was or heard of them.
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Yes sir Mr Boss man sir.
THFCSPURS19
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Now in the Telegraph as well and written by Jeremy Wilson- this probably isn't bullshit. Though, as we know, it will probably end up being nothing. There's more on the Paul Mitchell stuff as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...raced-for-second-bid-from-new-consortium.html
Tottenham braced for second bid from new consortium
Anonymous Californian group interested in making approach for Spurs
A second United States consortium is considering a takeover offer forTottenham Hotspur following firm interest earlier in the season by the Cain Hoy group.
The new potential owners are based in California and, although they count a major finance company among their backers, are choosing to remain anonymous.
City sources, however, have confirmed to Telegraph Sport that there is a second American consortium taking soundings on the situation at Tottenham.
Cain Hoy did explore the possibility of making an offer in September but, with the majority owner Joe Lewis understood to value the club and stadium project at close to £1 billion, decided not to make a bid.
Spurs are in the process of seeking funding for a new stadium and, although they have held talks with various financial institutions, have stressed that no discussions have been held with any potential buyers of the club.
One possible solution, however, would be for Spurs to find a buyer who is also willing to take on the stadium project, hence the potential outlay of almost £1 billion.
Spurs surely need to resolve the ongoing stadium issue to consistently realise their ambition of Champions League football and, after 11 games this season, are languishing in the bottom half of thePremier League.
However, Daniel Levy, the chairman, has signalled his support for Mauricio Pochettino, the manager, by sanctioning an attempt to persuade Southampton’s head of recruitment Paul Mitchell to join Tottenham.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...raced-for-second-bid-from-new-consortium.html
Tottenham braced for second bid from new consortium
Anonymous Californian group interested in making approach for Spurs
A second United States consortium is considering a takeover offer forTottenham Hotspur following firm interest earlier in the season by the Cain Hoy group.
The new potential owners are based in California and, although they count a major finance company among their backers, are choosing to remain anonymous.
City sources, however, have confirmed to Telegraph Sport that there is a second American consortium taking soundings on the situation at Tottenham.
Cain Hoy did explore the possibility of making an offer in September but, with the majority owner Joe Lewis understood to value the club and stadium project at close to £1 billion, decided not to make a bid.
Spurs are in the process of seeking funding for a new stadium and, although they have held talks with various financial institutions, have stressed that no discussions have been held with any potential buyers of the club.
One possible solution, however, would be for Spurs to find a buyer who is also willing to take on the stadium project, hence the potential outlay of almost £1 billion.
Spurs surely need to resolve the ongoing stadium issue to consistently realise their ambition of Champions League football and, after 11 games this season, are languishing in the bottom half of thePremier League.
However, Daniel Levy, the chairman, has signalled his support for Mauricio Pochettino, the manager, by sanctioning an attempt to persuade Southampton’s head of recruitment Paul Mitchell to join Tottenham.
Would the recent reports of consortiums raising interest be anyway connected to discussions we may have had when looking for financiers for the stadium?
Either the press trying to make a story or information getting out in regards to what may have been discussed when negotiating stadium finance.
No idea of the process but i would imagine that you would have to demonstrate some sort of future planning when trying to acquire a great deal of money. That information getting out may force some peoples hand in either seeing an advantage in the market or trying to get on on the ground floor.
Sorry if this has already been asked and discussed.
Either the press trying to make a story or information getting out in regards to what may have been discussed when negotiating stadium finance.
No idea of the process but i would imagine that you would have to demonstrate some sort of future planning when trying to acquire a great deal of money. That information getting out may force some peoples hand in either seeing an advantage in the market or trying to get on on the ground floor.
Sorry if this has already been asked and discussed.
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an investment group buying the club won't have any effect on our spending in transfer windows. they will buy it with the interest of turning a profit off a future sale, or to benefit their other enterprises with tax shenanigans (i.e., dunkin donuts sponsorships on our shirts, that kinda thing)...... basically nothing new from the current situation.
THFCSPURS19
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FFS. The Carlyle Group would not just be another ENIC. Just like Cain Hoy wouldn't have been.
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Of course it could. If they finance the majority of the funding it will take to complete the new stadium and associated projects we won't have major debt to service and we'll be in a position to benefit from increased revenue streams immediately.
Obviously improving the team, within reason, will grow their own product so to speak.
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Additionally it will put them into a power position in the redevelopment of a portion of London. My personal guess is that is the bigger prize for these guys (and Cain Hoy)....a football team can make you some cash, but having a bit of clout in the redevelopment of an entire section of London is a pretty appealing idea to many investors, especially when that section of London (on the whole) will be much cheaper to deal with than others.
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The article is too vague to 'destroy'. There's almost no actual hard information there to get hold of and pick apart. I'd still be inclined to suspect that it's another negotiation with a potential equity investor (for the stadium) that a journalist (a reasonably reputable one this time) has confused with a potential takeover.
But it's hard to read between the lines of this one, at least not based on that article.Too woolly.
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