crokey
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Oh shit we definitely wont get any players now!
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Oh shit we definitely wont get any players now!
WiganSpur
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I do get your point but everyone else is improving too. A couple of quality defenders are needed.
But, I don't really get the fuss over left winger tbh. Eriksen has been good there as has Chadli. I also think it's Townsend's best position. If Konoplyanka isn't available for a fair price then I'd look at JRod in January but that's about it.
y1dk1d
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People happy with 6th. Great ambition there then. Do I expect top 4? No. Do I think we should aim for it? Yes. Coming 6th will lead to our top players leaving. I believe this year we will probably hang on to most but Lloris would've been here for 3 years, 3 unsuccessful years. Eriksen would probably want to take the next step too. This has been our cycle. Poor season--->manager sacked--->players leave--->poor season
6th is not good enough and won't solve this!
6th is not good enough and won't solve this!
Blake Griffin
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well my view on things is simple, if we(the club) don't think we can realistically get back into the top four and beyond then we're pretty much just spending to appease fans who want a new name on the back of their shirt because they're bored of the last set of players we bought. this squad with zero investment should be finishing 6th and who knows, maybe with some stability perhaps even higher, at the very worst 7th as there is a clear divide between the top 7 teams and the rest - especially with southampton selling everyone. i just see it as needless spending when we could otherwise be saving it up towards the new stadium and future outlay.
Barry Mead
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One of the best ways we can strengthen our central defence is to get a left back that has even half a scooby how to defend, strengthening either CB position without addressing the LB position would just leave our left flank wide open for opposing teams to exploit
Hoddle&Waddle
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Dont think anyone said they are happy with 6th, just that that's where they expect us to finish. But as usual on here its been twisted into something else.
WiganSpur
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It's difficult because at this stage stability is crucial, but in my opinion we've also got to get ourselves in a position where we can capitalise on any opportunities for that top 4 position. Not spending at all wouldn't help us in that respect. Stability and maintaining competitiveness is what we should be aiming for at this stage.
In the past we've had opportunities to capitalise and we haven't taken them through a lack of investment. Not having the balls to go for Suarez and other strikers in the past few years springs to mind.
A top class centre half and a decent left back would be great. With £30m or so it really shouldn't be that hard, particularly with the amount of players that could be leaving.
Gaz_Gammon
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Agreed, after all they covered themselves in glory with the Carroll and Downing signings. Ian Ayre certainly knows how to waste the owners money.
Barry Mead
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You seem to be making an assumption that other teams will stand still and not improve or strengthen.
Our problem isn't numbers but balance of quality. We have weak positions that need to be addressed
Of course I don't think we should be thinking about not making top four, if we wan't to progress we have to finish top four, CL is an essential for teams that have ambition to become a real title contenders and win trophies. Frankly if our ambition is any less then it really doesn't matter a jot whether we finish 5th or 17th
I think in the players we added last summer we have added a depth of quality, but as often happens it can take more than a season to get the best from them. It would be a waste of time, money and effort not to continue building a team that can be a serious challenger by ignoring the ongoing weaknesses simply because we bought players to strengthen other areas.
As for being bored with the last set of players bought, I don't see too many fans calling for any to be sold, however not every new signing will be successful, that's the same in lots of teams not just ours and there comes a point when you have to hold your hands up and admit that a player you had hoped to fit well and improve the team hasn't worked out. Simply holding on for season after season in the hope they might come good is just as silly as hoping that academy players you hope might develop and save you from a big investment is going to make a massive step up after failing to deliver the development that might have been hoped
Gaz_Gammon
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Stevie Wonder could have done that from his home in LA. Why he would need a trainig session or two is beyond me. How many has LVG had at Man Ure?
Blake Griffin
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the top teams will improve, they will improve at a greater rate than us too. the teams 8 through 20 may well improve but never enough to have a squad as good as the one we currently have so all in all i see us stuck in that awkward position of do we invest and more than likely not really move anywhere as a result or do we just stick with what we have(a talented squad that hasn't been given a chance yet) and at worst drop one place as a result. i'm pretty sure that if the window shut now we would finish 6th or possibly higher, if we sign the players we're supposedly interested in i'm pretty sure we'll finish 6th or possibly higher.
CowInAComa
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yeah they will definitely improve at a rate greater than us, definitely. Heaven forbid we actually stop whining about how hard done by we are compared to everyone else we are competing with and have a go at beating them.
Blake Griffin
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well as much as we don't like it, the league table generally reflects how much a team spends on players(fees and wages).
Gaz_Gammon
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He's better have a big fucking Genie in a bottle when he pops across to spend time with Danny boy next week then. Three managers haven't been able to turn him into a Championship left back let alone a left back in a team purposing to play in the CL.
Blake Griffin
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i don't agree. martin o'neill/di canio and avb had him looking like a very good young premier league left back. under harry he was just a kid and every defender under tim looked bad.
Gedson100
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Everyone always thinks our rivals will improve.
It never works out that way. On paper expensive new signings look impressive but it takes more than purely spending money to improve on the pitch. There are 7 domianting teams in the league right now but losing a key player or two to transfer or injury will have an impact on any of them. Of course the top 4 have CL to contend with too. Everyone can't do well, some will suffer, we've just got to hope that the system put in place means it's not us & with a blank slate, we've a more than fair chance.
It never works out that way. On paper expensive new signings look impressive but it takes more than purely spending money to improve on the pitch. There are 7 domianting teams in the league right now but losing a key player or two to transfer or injury will have an impact on any of them. Of course the top 4 have CL to contend with too. Everyone can't do well, some will suffer, we've just got to hope that the system put in place means it's not us & with a blank slate, we've a more than fair chance.
Blake Griffin
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7? i only count 5. those five all spend somewhere ranging from £50m-£150m more per season on wages than us and a whole load more on transfer fees to boot. it would take a mega effort from us and a lot of luck to leap ahead two of them.
Gaz_Gammon
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So Sherwood is to blame for Rose playing with "his attitude and questionable positioning". There all along i thought it was the fault of AVB or the Sunderland coaches. Silly me. So if Rose gets a chance under Poch and cannot handle his tactics it will be the fault of Poch and not the players ability to adapt?
I do agree however that "there's still a good player in Rose" and that he'd be a great asset in any Championship side.
Yiddo1982
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It would be great to get a couple of good signings in quickly, so we can have the foundations of a settled team for the first few games of the season. We can't deny we have dropped to many points over the last few years waiting for the transfer window to close. (Bar last year, although we could have won at the Emirates). Therefore, "four weeks" is concerning.
Teddy Klinsmann
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Perhaps Poch as a football manager feels he might be able to work with some of the players who keyboard bashers right off after a poor run of form.
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