The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Ready to Play? What's the Day? 12th June 2014

HappySpur · Jun 12, 2014

rawhide said:
The avatars have been from Mad magazine and Spy vs Spy.

Hmmm...

Spy vs Spy was written by a Cuban exile and is a parody on Castro. So considering the number of Cuban superstars playing around the world today, I'm going to hope A&C had no idea of these facts. :unsure:

If this were rounders, then it wold be a different story

Led's Zeppelin · Jun 12, 2014

Hasn't Lovren said he wants to leave so he can play CL this season?

Rather counts against us, if true.

I repeat my pledge to donate £10 for each Southampton player we sign this summer. I hope to be a few quid lighter very soon.

Darrkespur · Jun 12, 2014

I think 25M is a little high and if we only have 40 or so to spend using most of it on Lallana is a hard sell, but I don't think it's that unfair for a reasonably young English player who was one of the best attackers in the league last year and is starting at the world cup for England.

Just look at some of the English players that have gone for 15+ million:

Andy Carroll 35M
Rio Ferdinand 29.1M
Wayne Rooney 25.6M
David Beckham 24.5M
James Milner 24M
Darren Bent 24M (and two separate fees of 16.5M!)
Jolean Lescott 22M
Shaun Wright-Phillips 21M
Jordan Henderson 20M
Stewart Downing 20M
Michael Carrick 18.6M
Owen Hargreaves 17M
Glen Johnson 17M
Michael Owen 16.8M
Phil Jones 16.5m
David Bentley 15M

I think Lallana is better than a fair few players on that list. I'd put him at least at the level that Downing, Wright-Phillips or Milner were at the time of their big moves, and I think you could easily make the argument that he's worth more than they were. 25M is a lot of money for any club to commit to one player, but I don't think he's being particularly overvalued for a young, talented England forward.

SpurSince57 · Jun 12, 2014

Dirty Ewok said:
Thought the rumour was that POTL may have been a club sanctioned leak in some way and then after the Willian deal went into the shitter (where POTL seemed to be doing a fairly accurate play by play of what was going on at the training centre) he just flat out stopped posting altogether....Made it seem like the club at least tolerated POTL posting bits and pieces but once the black eye of the Willian fiasco happened Donna and friends just shut it all down.

That's certainly been put forward as a theory, and we've certainly had examples of chosen ITKs being slipped info by the club, or at least a faction at the club. I'm not sure I buy it with POTL, though; he certainly had a decent source or sources, but I just feel that if he'd been sanctioned by the club we'd have had fulsome explanations of why non-deals like Willian and Moutinho went wrong.

SpurSince57 · Jun 12, 2014

Darrkespur said:
I think 25M is a little high and if we only have 40 or so to spend using most of it on Lallana is a hard sell, but I don't think it's that unfair for a reasonably young English player who was one of the best attackers in the league last year and is starting at the world cup for England.

I thought it was Lovren that we'd been linked with. Really don't see Lallana as being very likely at all.

AussieSpurMan · Jun 12, 2014

Darrkespur said:
I think 25M is a little high and if we only have 40 or so to spend using most of it on Lallana is a hard sell, but I don't think it's that unfair for a reasonably young English player who was one of the best attackers in the league last year and is starting at the world cup for England.

Just look at some of the English players that have gone for 15+ million:

Andy Carroll 35M
Rio Ferdinand 29.1M
Wayne Rooney 25.6M
David Beckham 24.5M
James Milner 24M
Darren Bent 24M (and two separate fees of 16.5M!)
Jolean Lescott 22M
Shaun Wright-Phillips 21M
Jordan Henderson 20M
Stewart Downing 20M
Michael Carrick 18.6M
Owen Hargreaves 17M
Glen Johnson 17M
Michael Owen 16.8M
Phil Jones 16.5m
David Bentley 15M

I think Lallana is better than a fair few players on that list. I'd put him at least at the level that Downing, Wright-Phillips or Milner were at the time of their big moves, and I think you could easily make the argument that he's worth more than they were. 25M is a lot of money for any club to commit to one player, but I don't think he's being particularly overvalued for a young, talented England forward.

Out of all those you have listed, only United have really got their monies worth. Rio, Rooney and Carrick for the investment made and result achieved have been worth the outlay.
Remember also Beck's was to Madrid so well done Utd!
The rest quite frankly have been poor business. And how many of those are City paying quite frankly insane money for English players.
Fact remains, Lallana is not worth the money Soton want!

Barry Mead · Jun 12, 2014

Bobbins said:
Random ITK-related question - does POTL post on COYS anymore?

Not heard anything from him for a long time - wasn't sure if that was because he'd stopped posting (especially after Blue and Yellow) or if we just stopped reporting it?

He got himself in a very embarassing situation after saying the Willian deal was done, all of a sudden someone suggested that Chavs were going to get him and he threw a bit of a paddy, you know the "who are you gonna believe kind" he's had a little bit of previous with something similar, but when Willian went to Chavs he never posted again

SpurinChicago · Jun 12, 2014

Darrkespur said:
I think 25M is a little high and if we only have 40 or so to spend using most of it on Lallana is a hard sell, but I don't think it's that unfair for a reasonably young English player who was one of the best attackers in the league last year and is starting at the world cup for England.

Just look at some of the English players that have gone for 15+ million:

Andy Carroll 35M
Rio Ferdinand 29.1M
Wayne Rooney 25.6M
David Beckham 24.5M
James Milner 24M
Darren Bent 24M (and two separate fees of 16.5M!)
Jolean Lescott 22M
Shaun Wright-Phillips 21M
Jordan Henderson 20M
Stewart Downing 20M
Michael Carrick 18.6M
Owen Hargreaves 17M
Glen Johnson 17M
Michael Owen 16.8M
Phil Jones 16.5m
David Bentley 15M

I think Lallana is better than a fair few players on that list. I'd put him at least at the level that Downing, Wright-Phillips or Milner were at the time of their big moves, and I think you could easily make the argument that he's worth more than they were. 25M is a lot of money for any club to commit to one player, but I don't think he's being particularly overvalued for a young, talented England forward.

"What a waste of money" is the common theme of that list. Justifying Lallana's fee as reasonable because he is "at least at the level of Downing, Phillips or Milner" is absolutely mind boggling. English players are extremely overpriced. Unless they are under 18 years of age, we should probably avoid them all together. Just because other clubs have been absolutely fleeced buying the English flavor of the month, doesn't justify us doing the same.

Nocando · Jun 12, 2014

Jonny_Moffett said:
Sounds like something from a Bourne movie. POTL executed.

More like Frozen. Let it go.

Farms14 · Jun 12, 2014

I would take Lovren no problem. He is a great defender and he played with Fonte last season which is why Southampton sometimes struggled last season in defence, he will (hopefully) be playing alongside Jan this season which IMO would be a great partnership.

Lallana is worth more than 10 mil without a doubt, Premiership team of the year and potential world cup starter for England, yes England not an Algeria or an Iran. Being worth over 10 mil is not to do with him being English it is about him be a very good player. Now him being valued at 25 mil is a completely different story

dovahkiin · Jun 12, 2014

just a little comment from billy white on grey fox' lovren itk:

Methinks the connection Grey Fox is making between us inquiring and Lovren submitting his request is a forced one. Just because both are true doesn't mean they're connected. If this is what he has heard then fair play, but it is not what I've been picking up recently. As always, more to come when I can.

Garyspurs · Jun 12, 2014

From Ojay on Coys:

Just got some ITK on Remy from his agent.

We are desperate for him. DL is calling his agent daily but he will not sign until arse make a decision. He is not their number one target but seems to be ours.

dagraham · Jun 12, 2014

Garyspurs said:
From Ojay on Coys:

Just got some ITK on Remy from his agent.

We are desperate for him. DL is calling his agent daily but he will not sign until arse make a decision. He is not their number one target but seems to be ours.

Very glad to hear he's our number 1 target. Let's hope the arse lose interest.

Grey Fox · Jun 12, 2014

dovahkiin said:
just a little comment from billy white on grey fox' lovren itk:

Not a connection, it was what I was told and I did mention notes of caution

$hoguN · Jun 12, 2014

Grey Fox said:
Not a connection, it was what I was told and I did mention notes of caution

The link to Lovren actually coming to us has come from Southampton ITKs

DaSpurs · Jun 12, 2014

$hoguN said:
The link to Lovren actually coming to us has come from Southampton ITKs

Right. Two of them mentioned he was "close to signing with us" before any of our ITK's mentioned him. Obviously that hasn't necessarily been true, but the initial connection was still made by them.

0-Tibsy-0 · Jun 12, 2014

ITK in the house! Cheers for getting me through the last hour of this beautifully sunny day stuck in an office!

TottenhamMattSpur · Jun 12, 2014

Darrkespur said:
I think 25M is a little high and if we only have 40 or so to spend using most of it on Lallana is a hard sell, but I don't think it's that unfair for a reasonably young English player who was one of the best attackers in the league last year and is starting at the world cup for England.

Just look at some of the English players that have gone for 15+ million:

Andy Carroll 35M
Rio Ferdinand 29.1M
Wayne Rooney 25.6M
David Beckham 24.5M
James Milner 24M
Darren Bent 24M (and two separate fees of 16.5M!)
Jolean Lescott 22M
Shaun Wright-Phillips 21M
Jordan Henderson 20M
Stewart Downing 20M
Michael Carrick 18.6M
Owen Hargreaves 17M
Glen Johnson 17M
Michael Owen 16.8M
Phil Jones 16.5m
David Bentley 15M

I think Lallana is better than a fair few players on that list. I'd put him at least at the level that Downing, Wright-Phillips or Milner were at the time of their big moves, and I think you could easily make the argument that he's worth more than they were. 25M is a lot of money for any club to commit to one player, but I don't think he's being particularly overvalued for a young, talented England forward.

I think the only player on that list that ever justified their fee was Ferdinand.
The rest, fuck my life. England are bang average.

0-Tibsy-0 · Jun 12, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
I think the only player on that list that ever justified their fee was Ferdinand.
The rest, fuck my life. England are bang average.

I would take Carrick at the stage he left us for 18 million personally, always thought Beckham was overhyped but on the football pitch, as a brand, an icon, and a foriegn attraction -so basically a money spinner, he probably is worth that fee and more to a Club.

Ferdinand was pricey, but he was genuinely one of the very very top players in his position for years.

Again, Rooney has often flattered to deceive-but he probably has justified that fee.

dagraham · Jun 12, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
I think the only player on that list that ever justified their fee was Ferdinand.
The rest, fuck my life. England are bang average.

You don't think Rooney justified his fee to Man Utd?

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