The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Ready to Play? What's the Day? 12th June 2014

[Amo]

Levy has a cheaper phone deal.

Three's £15 all-you-can-eat data with 300 minutes and 2000 texts plus 2000 Three-to-Three minutes bundle on PAYG innit.

It even has no roaming charges in over 20 countries. Perfect for Levy. He drop-calls other football club chairmen and chairwomen so they call him back, then he says that unless they get a Three sim, negotiations can't continue.

Or is that just me.

 

[Chris12]

To Liverpool, Blackburn and Everton, you bet! (Except Liverpool promptly blew £35m of the Torres money on Carroll in a Damien Comolli masterstroke.)

As someone posted earlier, a player's value is whatever the selling club says it is. Southampton don't want to sell Lallana any more than we wanted to sell Bale, but, like us, realise that ultimately they may not have any choice in the matter. Therefore they need to maximise the financial profit they can gain from their asset. If the buying club goes along with the quoted price, it's caveat emptor. From their point of view, only time will tell if the player's been 'worth' the outlay.

It may be what the club personally value him at but not necessarily their true value. I don't buy it that the worth and value of a player is the price paid, hence the terms over-valued price or inflated price. And then as you said time will tell if they were worth the money paid, and with those example they were not worth the money paid for thus not all players are worht the amount paid

 

[yankspurs]

I like Yankspurs, but the other day he thought Eriksen was a Modric replacement

I clearly and admittedly fucked that one up and someone corrected me. But that will be one of the many things I will never live down on here.

 

[yankspurs]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the market or Southampton say. We could get a foreign winger of about the same quality as Lallana for probably about 8-10mill. We could get a much, much better foreign winger than Lallana for 25m. 25mill for Lallana screams English premium.

Southampton valuing Lallana at 25mill is obscene. Just because Dr Creepy may be willing to pay 20-25mill for Lallana does not make him worth that much. Just means that Liverpool is willing to massively overpay for a player, yet again. Was Carrol worth 30mill? Was Torres worth 50mill? Felliani worth 27mill? Hell no.

That is the last I'll say on this topic in this thread. You want to debate me on this further than mention me in the Lallana thread.

On to the ITK, if Levy's primary target is truly Loic Remy, I will be fucking pissed. So underwhelming of a signing, so underwhelming as a player and his mentality is so similar to Ade. We dont need 2 Ade's. We dont even need one Ade. We need someone who will play all 90min, can score goals, has a good first touch, can hold up play and not go lost all while not stirring up trouble. Also, I dont want to give Harry any money. Let him give money to us for Dawson, Lennon and BAE first. As for Lovren, if Southampton are going to ask an obscene price for him or any of their players, I am not even giving the thought of acquiring a player from them the time of day

 

[DaSpurs]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the market or Southampton say. We could get a foreign winger of about the same quality as Lallana for probably about 8-10mill. We could get a much, much better foreign winger than Lallana for 25m. 25mill for Lallana screams English premium.

Southampton valuing Lallana at 25mill is obscene. Just because Dr Creepy may be willing to pay 20-25mill for Lallana does not make him worth that much. Just means that Liverpool is willing to massively overpay for a player, yet again. Was Carrol worth 30mill? Was Torres worth 50mill? Felliani worth 27mill? Hell no.

That is the last I'll say on this topic in this thread. You want to debate me on this further than mention me in the Lallana thread.

That's fine, and in truth I actually agree with every bit of this (so IMO not worth bumping another thread for) and especially in regard to the winger situation, but all things considered the lad is certainly worth more than 10 mil to a Prem team.

 

[GlennHoddle]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the market or Southampton say. We could get a foreign winger of about the same quality as Lallana for probably about 8-10mill. We could get a much, much better foreign winger than Lallana for 25m. 25mill for Lallana screams English premium.

Southampton valuing Lallana at 25mill is obscene. Just because Dr Creepy may be willing to pay 20-25mill for Lallana does not make him worth that much. Just means that Liverpool is willing to massively overpay for a player, yet again. Was Carrol worth 30mill? Was Torres worth 50mill? Felliani worth 27mill? Hell no.

That is the last I'll say on this topic in this thread. You want to debate me on this further than mention me in the Lallana thread.

On to the ITK, if Levy's primary target is truly Loic Remy, I will be fucking pissed. So underwhelming of a signing, so underwhelming as a player and his mentality is so similar to Ade. We dont need 2 Ade's. We dont even need one Ade. We need someone who will play all 90min, can score goals, has a good first touch, can hold up play and not go lost all while not stirring up trouble. Also, I dont want to give Harry any money. Let him give money to us for Dawson, Lennon and BAE first. As for Lovren, if Southampton are going to ask an obscene price for him or any of their players, I am not even giving the thought of acquiring a player from them the time of day

How much did we pay for lamela again!!!!
Sorry i couldn't resist, i see ur point

 

[yankspurs]

How much did we pay for lamela again!!!!
Sorry i couldn't resist, i see ur point

26mill, but he is better than Lallana. Shame he didnt get an opportunity to prove it this year.

 

[SpurSince57]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the market or Southampton say. We could get a foreign winger of about the same quality as Lallana for probably about 8-10mill. We could get a much, much better foreign winger than Lallana for 25m. 25mill for Lallana screams English premium.

Southampton valuing Lallana at 25mill is obscene. Just because Dr Creepy may be willing to pay 20-25mill for Lallana does not make him worth that much. Just means that Liverpool is willing to massively overpay for a player, yet again. Was Carrol worth 30mill? Was Torres worth 50mill? Felliani worth 27mill? Hell no.

That is the last I'll say on this topic in this thread. You want to debate me on this further than mention me in the Lallana thread.

On to the ITK, if Levy's primary target is truly Loic Remy, I will be fucking pissed. So underwhelming of a signing, so underwhelming as a player and his mentality is so similar to Ade. We dont need 2 Ade's. We dont even need one Ade. We need someone who will play all 90min, can score goals, has a good first touch, can hold up play and not go lost all while not stirring up trouble. Also, I dont want to give Harry any money. Let him give money to us for Dawson, Lennon and BAE first. As for Lovren, if Southampton are going to ask an obscene price for him or any of their players, I am not even giving the thought of acquiring a player from them the time of day

No it isn't. No-one has to pay it.

That's Ade.

 

[yankspurs]

No it isn't. No-one has to pay it.

That's Ade.

Hahahahahaha, thanks for the laugh.

 

[duffster]

I can't see this one being all that accurate....i am sure that Remy is high on our list, but aside from that i don't buy it.

Say what you will about Levy (good or bad) the one thing that is constant with him is he is a very smart businessman.

There is no way Levy would be on the phone daily with Remy's agent if Remy wants to wait for Arse....it gives the agent too much leverage. I would actually expect Levy to go quiet once he had been told Remy wants to consider Arse. I would expect more rumours with other strikers to start floating out....Levy would be working to force the agent's hand not provide the agent with leverage to negotiate with Spurs and any other team.

The fee can't go up because there is a buy-out clause, and the rumour is we've already agreed to give him what he wants so....?

 

[duffster]

I couldn't give a flying fuck what the market or Southampton say. We could get a foreign winger of about the same quality as Lallana for probably about 8-10mill. We could get a much, much better foreign winger than Lallana for 25m. 25mill for Lallana screams English premium.

Southampton valuing Lallana at 25mill is obscene. Just because Dr Creepy may be willing to pay 20-25mill for Lallana does not make him worth that much. Just means that Liverpool is willing to massively overpay for a player, yet again. Was Carrol worth 30mill? Was Torres worth 50mill? Felliani worth 27mill? Hell no.

That is the last I'll say on this topic in this thread. You want to debate me on this further than mention me in the Lallana thread.

On to the ITK, if Levy's primary target is truly Loic Remy, I will be fucking pissed. So underwhelming of a signing, so underwhelming as a player and his mentality is so similar to Ade. We dont need 2 Ade's. We dont even need one Ade. We need someone who will play all 90min, can score goals, has a good first touch, can hold up play and not go lost all while not stirring up trouble. Also, I dont want to give Harry any money. Let him give money to us for Dawson, Lennon and BAE first. As for Lovren, if Southampton are going to ask an obscene price for him or any of their players, I am not even giving the thought of acquiring a player from them the time of day

Levy loves a bargain and £8m for a Prem proven goalscorer is what is called a "no-brainer" (20 goals in 40 games for QPR and Newcastle)
The only thing that troubles me is he seems a bit injury prone.

 

[SpurSince57]

Hahahahahaha, thanks for the laugh.

You've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you couldn't follow your own nose to a shit-and-anchovy pizza when it comes to football, and just about everything else. There's really no need to persist. We've got the message.

 

[Chris12]

You've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you couldn't follow your own nose to a shit-and-anchovy pizza when it comes to football, and just about everything else. There's really no need to persist. We've got the message.

OTT.

Ade doesn't fit the whole bill of his description. "not go lost" "not go stirring trouble" - doesn't exactly sound like Ade

 

[yankspurs]

You've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you couldn't follow your own nose to a shit-and-anchovy pizza when it comes to football, and just about everything else. There's really no need to persist. We've got the message.

Oh? Tell me what I said about Ade is wrong? Nothing was wrong. Nothing. He goes lost, causes drama, has an awful first touch. Doesnt really hold u play too well because of it and he picks and chooses when he wants to play. You just dont like me or my opinions for whatever reason so you thin everything I say is wrong when it really isnt.

 

[gibbospurs]

Oh? Tell me what I said about Ade is wrong? Nothing was wrong. Nothing. He goes lost, causes drama, has an awful first touch. Doesnt really hold u play too well because of it and he picks and chooses when he wants to play. You just dont like me or my opinions for whatever reason so you thin everything I say is wrong when it really isnt.

Most of it is.

 

[Gedson100]

Oh? Tell me what I said about Ade is wrong? Nothing was wrong. Nothing. He goes lost, causes drama, has an awful first touch. Doesnt really hold u play too well because of it and he picks and chooses when he wants to play. You just dont like me or my opinions for whatever reason so you thin everything I say is wrong when it really isnt.

Fucking hell Yankspurs! You're ragging on someone for 'causing drama'?

One of the most popular misinterpretations of Ade, purely based on his body language, is that he's 'not trying'; it's just his languid style, the same as Berbatov. He is actually really good at holding up play & in three seasons at Spurs had one great season, one season where the system wasn't set up to benefit him; then fell out with the coach & another pretty decent half season. This is hardly Bentley level idleness or inadequacy.

As for 'picks and chooses', he's been out of the side when Villas Boas fell out with him; why that was I don't think is strictly known. He's also the best striker we've had at the club since Berbatov bar none & is consistently one of our better players. But if you don't like him and want to lazily bundle him in with Remy, who despite your concerns is a legitimate 1 in 2 forward throughout his career, and brand the pair of them 'streaky primmadonna [sic] strikers', then good luck to you.

You also appear to dislike everyone we have been linked with.

 

[yankspurs]

Fucking hell Yankspurs! You're ragging on someone for 'causing drama'?

One of the most popular misinterpretations of Ade, purely based on his body language, is that he's 'not trying'; it's just his languid style, the same as Berbatov. He is actually really good at holding up play & in three seasons at Spurs had one great season, one season where the system wasn't set up to benefit him; then fell out with the coach & another pretty decent half season. This is hardly Bentley level idleness or inadequacy.

As for 'picks and chooses', he's been out of the side when Villas Boas fell out with him; why that was I don't think is strictly known. He's also the best striker we've had at the club since Berbatov bar none & is consistently one of our better players. But if you don't like him and want to lazily bundle him in with Remy, who despite your concerns is a legitimate 1 in 2 forward throughout his career, and brand the pair of them 'streaky primmadonna [sic] strikers', then good luck to you.

You also appear to dislike everyone we have been linked with.

I dislike the Lovren and Lallana links at the price but would take them. I dislike the Remy link completely.

 

[DaSpurs]

I dislike the Lovren and Lallana links at the price but would take them. I dislike the Remy link completely.

Who are your ideal acquisitions for the summer, amigo?

 

[yankspurs]

Who are your ideal acquisitions for the summer, amigo?

My priorities are LB and a winger. Give me Konoplyanka or Griezmann and Ricardo Rodriguez. The rest depend on sales. A center half(Alderweireld or Schar would be great) if Dawson or someone goes. A young striker with high potential(like a Batshuayi) would be ideal if Ade is sold. As for keeper, I'd rather stay away from Darlow or Vorm(both of whom we've had ITK on this year) and go for a 35+ content with being behind Lloris. Otherwise stick with Brad(but give Archer a few opportunities to see what he has).

 

[DiamondLites]

Remy would be such a 'meh' signing for me. He's a good finisher granted but his all round game is pretty average, he goes missing for long stretches and then bang a great finish and he's the MOTD hero. I've never watched him and thought I wished we'd signed him. If he is Levy's hard-on signing then to me it shows he has not learnt a thing and is already imposing his will on the new man 'in charge'