Benfica Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

nightgoat · Mar 20, 2014

JamieDaCosta said:
I have said plenty of positive things about him

I lauded him for his brilliant hat trick in the Europa League and I said how well he took his goal against Cardiff, so basically ive given him praise whenever there has been the opportunity

I genuinely don't remember Ade's miss but im sure I would have slated him although he is in a different class to Soldado anyway so the odd miss here and there is acceptable, Soldado misses these types of chances pretty much every time he plays

Anyway, im not getting into one of these debates again, like I said, there is no excuse for that miss from Soldado, trying to shift the focus onto me or my opinions isn't going to change that me ol' mucker

Yeah, unfortunately for you this forum has a search function. You've been slagging Soldado off since the end of August. The most complimentary things I could find that you've said about him were;

JamieDaCosta said:
Thats what makes me laugh, people are always looking to have a pot shot at Defoe for whatever reason but when the shoe is on the other foot and its Soldado they move the goal posts

Well played Bobby last night, I was happy with his performance but why people are shooting their load over it yet they bemoaned the quality of opposition when Defoe had done well against these teams is extremely weird and it pretty much says it all about people on here

Double standards city

But it only took a few days before you were back with

JamieDaCosta said:
I seriously could not stand Pav but id actually rather have him than Soldado, seriously

Or, damning with faint praise...

I thought Soldado was fantastic tonight......

Or does it not count (like Defoe's goals) because it was against a pub team????

Nothing about Adebayor's miss, though. So I'm sure you didn't bother to slag him off, like you would have done to fit your Soldado agenda. Here it is, 00:58 in. http://www.itv.com/sport/football/a...ague-report-and-highlights-spurs-1-3-benfica/

The thing is, the chance he had tonight is the sort you'd back an in form, confident striker to score, or at least hit the target. But because Sherwood benched him every game since he scored against Cardiff (which was a very well taken goal - funny, I couldn't find your apparent praise for that) and has only given him 23 minutes since then, he hasn't had the opportunity to get any kind of form or confidence. Hence why I'm prepared to give him a bit of leeway on it. So I'm sure you'll understand why I say that had I not seen tonight's game and only read your post, I'd be none the wiser about the actual chance because you'd slag him off regardless.

rupsmith · Mar 20, 2014

TheAmerican said:
I have played the game, and was playing in the 4th division until I dropped out for university, if that matters (which it shouldn't). But yes, I am serious. Eriksen should have never been put on in that situation, it was a dumb substitution. As for the change in tactics, Chris Ramsey shouting from the sidelines seemed to be due the credit for the changes we made in gameplay.

As for his name thing, I'm assuming your one of those individuals who thinks that people pick on Sherwood because he is English. That is not it, at all. It is simply that he makes some baffling decisions and I do not think there is enough evidence to believe that he has was ever ready for this pedigree of job at this point in his career. He could be a good manager in the future, but I do not think he is ready for a job of this level yet, psychologically, and ability-wise.

In the end, my point still stands. Eriksen should not have been brought on in the 75' in a match that was all but lost. He is one of, if not our single-most, important players. If he ever were to be put onto the field, he should have started.

Ok apologies for that opening remark but it was clear that Kane's ariel presence is what gave Chadli more freedom. He did not have that when Soldado was on. Benteleb was distributing well. The issue was the delivery into the box from the flanks from Lennon and Townsend. When Kane came on they (including Eriksen) and the full backs had more targets to aim at and that's what caused the panic at the back for Benfica. For me the right substitutions at the right time keeping Sunday in mind as well.

nightgoat · Mar 20, 2014

JerryGarcia said:
I didn't really see it that clearly, I was too busy going mental but I was thinking the ref was going to it.

Yeah, I must say when Siggurdson (I think it was him) turned round to look at the linesman I automatically assumed it was going to be disallowed.

thinktank · Mar 20, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Well yeah AVB playing him up front isolated for long spells in games wasn't exactly playing to the guys strengths.

Totally fucked him. No better way to destroy the game of a striker of his type...in the prem. especially.

Really shocking how AVB got that so wrong.

TheAmerican · Mar 20, 2014

rupsmith said:
Ok apologies for that opening remark but it was clear that Kane's ariel presence is what gave Chadli more freedom. He did not have that when Soldado was on. Benteleb was distributing well. The issue was the delivery into the box from the flanks from Lennon and Townsend. When Kane came on they (including Eriksen) and the full backs had more targets to aim at and that's what caused the panic at the back for Benfica. For me the right substitutions at the right time keeping Sunday in mind as well.

I just don't like that Eriksen was brought on so late. I still don't think Sherwood had a complete plan here. I do see some positives from the game though. Bentaleb covered Townsend on the flank all day, and was great there, and Chadli showed his class today. Kane was also very good up top, I agree with you there.

guate · Mar 20, 2014

Good game that had me on the edge of my seat as soon as Chadli scored our first goal. Sadly we just didn't have enough to score the third when Benfica were on the ropes, although good tries by Kane, Chadli and Siggy.
Personaly I thought Tim got his tactics right, including Ericksen whom he appeared to be saving for the more important weekend game.
Once again merit must be be given to the traveling Spurs fans who made their presence felt right from the very start.

ClintEastwould · Mar 20, 2014

WiganSpur said:
Starting to have doubts over Bentaleb. I think Carroll will be a better option next season.

This was probably his best ever game for us? Bar the weak pass at the very end, it was chadli and him that drove us forward and got us back into the tie.

whitesocks · Mar 20, 2014

Only caught the last 20 mins of that and thought it very enjoyable.

sebo_sek · Mar 20, 2014

Spirit58 said:
If that's what you honestly think then maybe you'd be better off supporting Chelsea or Man City...... or possibly growing up and getting behind the team you apparently support, you know, the clue is in the word supporter.

I'm all for support but their is something called character and lately we are showing none. Last year we got past Lyon through character, we knocked Milan out of the CL through character, even earlier this season we beat United through character. 15 minutes out of 180 is not character, it's a capitulation from the get go. Just like vs Liverpool. They stopped believing when they conceded the first in the first game.
I'm just calling it what it is.

faymantaray · Mar 20, 2014

dondo · Mar 20, 2014

TheAmerican said:
I just don't like that Eriksen was brought on so late. I still don't think Sherwood had a complete plan here. I do see some positives from the game though. Bentaleb covered Townsend on the flank all day, and was great there, and Chadli showed his class today. Kane was also very good up top, I agree with you there.

I could be wrong but I think he was not 100% fit and could not play from the start???
Maybe Sherwood rates him so much he wanted him on the bench even though he wasn't fit???

Firsttouch · Mar 20, 2014

rupsmith said:
What a brilliant analysis. I was clearly wrong

Sorry I just thought it was obvious to see that Eriksen played many key passes when he came on.

Sherwood ..... I honestly don't know where to start my argument with why he has not done a great job in 3 months.

Spurs 1961 · Mar 20, 2014

whitesocks said:
Only caught the last 20 mins of that and thought it very enjoyable.

Me too. One we scored you could see the confidence in the team and the problems suddenly encountered by Benfica. In that last 15 mins we won more 50/50's than we have all season and were positive in everything. Shame about the pen at the end but it didn't matter since it was clearly going to be the last action of the game.

nightgoat · Mar 20, 2014

ShaunL84 said:
Sherwood did ok but AVB won 3-1 in Benfica against a Benfica side that included David Luiz and Fabio Coentrao.

Yeah, I don't know why Sherwood didn't start Falcao tonight.

Shadydan · Mar 20, 2014

nightgoat said:
Yeah, I don't know why Sherwood didn't start Falcao tonight.

He signed for Toronto

JamieDaCosta · Mar 20, 2014

rupsmith said:
Ok apologies for that opening remark but it was clear that Kane's ariel presence is what gave Chadli more freedom. He did not have that when Soldado was on. Benteleb was distributing well. The issue was the delivery into the box from the flanks from Lennon and Townsend. When Kane came on they (including Eriksen) and the full backs had more targets to aim at and that's what caused the panic at the back for Benfica. For me the right substitutions at the right time keeping Sunday in mind as well.

nightgoat said:
Yeah, unfortunately for you this forum has a search function. You've been slagging Soldado off since the end of August. The most complimentary things I could find that you've said about him were;

But it only took a few days before you were back with

Or, damning with faint praise...

Nothing about Adebayor's miss, though. So I'm sure you didn't bother to slag him off, like you would have done to fit your Soldado agenda. Here it is, 00:58 in. http://www.itv.com/sport/football/a...ague-report-and-highlights-spurs-1-3-benfica/

The thing is, the chance he had tonight is the sort you'd back an in form, confident striker to score, or at least hit the target. But because Sherwood benched him every game since he scored against Cardiff (which was a very well taken goal - funny, I couldn't find your apparent praise for that) and has only given him 23 minutes since then, he hasn't had the opportunity to get any kind of form or confidence. Hence why I'm prepared to give him a bit of leeway on it. So I'm sure you'll understand why I say that had I not seen tonight's game and only read your post, I'd be none the wiser about the actual chance because you'd slag him off regardless.

A few things....

First and foremost, I am a Spurs fan, Soldado has been utterly awful for us and quite possibly one of the biggest flops in the history of the Premier League, especially considering his price BUT, BUT BUT....I DO want him to do well, fuck my pride, id rather he shit all over my pride from a great height and put in amazing performances every week as well as banging in goals left, right and centre

In other words, im not here to say I told you so, I am just being honest, I have no reason to have an agenda against the guy, I want him to do well but the truth is that he hasn't, nothing can account for tonight's miss and blaming Sherwood is ridiculous, Soldado has had many other games both during Sherwood and Villas-Boas' reigns where he has missed similar or even easier chances

Anyway, moving on....

I never necessarily said, nor are my opinions exclusive to this site, that id said all of these things on this site nor the internet, I was speaking generally

Nor did I say I HAVEN'T slagged Soldado off, I have and deservedly so, only people without a clue and/or rose tinted glasses would praise the guy so im not sure where you're going on that one

The same applies to Ade, perhaps I didnt slag him off on here per se but id have done it whilst watching the game and it just so happens I was posting on this particular thread before hand hence why I felt the need to carry on posting and what not

And there you have it, as you were squire, as you were...

markieboy · Mar 20, 2014

rupsmith said:
Are you serious? No I mean it - have you ever played the game before? The way this young side controlled the game against such quality opposition showed EXACTLY the quality of the game plan and motivation provided by the coaching team.

Also, the come back had almost nothing to do with Eriksen. Kane provided the ariel and physical presence up front that gave Chadli the freedom to pick the ball up and drive. Kane set up the second goal and Eriksen help us keep the ball. It almost seems like people like you want Sherwood out no matter what happens on the pitch.

Well done Tim Sherwood. He has done a fantastic job in just 3 months. I hope he is given the chance to stay and build on this team.

He should change his name to Shervinho or something to get people like you on his side

Agree totally with everything,Eriksen did well enough when he came on but Kane really gave us the impetus up front.

millsey · Mar 20, 2014

Chadli really starting to impress me. Thought he was superb first half vs Arsenal and v good again today. Inside left of the fwrd could really be his position.

millsey · Mar 20, 2014

markieboy said:
Agree totally with everything,Eriksen did well enough when he came on but Kane really gave us the impetus up front.

Chills me to the bone we spend 26 million quid on Soldado then

Firsttouch · Mar 20, 2014

just seen the sherwood Post match :LOL:

He is funny I give him that.

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