Colonel_Klinck
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Terry banned for four matches
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Colonel_Klinck
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Kendall
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Football fans have been saying what a cretinous pair these two are for years. Players like them have killed the desire to follow the National team for many football fans - which is surely a fucking terrible thing and should be addressed.
But no, up until the recent bandwagon these ****s have been portrayed by the media as England saviours. Captain fucking England John Terry, heart on his sleeve bleeding a bloody great Lion or three. Only now, many years too late are they printing what we've all be saying for the last decade or more.
But no, up until the recent bandwagon these ****s have been portrayed by the media as England saviours. Captain fucking England John Terry, heart on his sleeve bleeding a bloody great Lion or three. Only now, many years too late are they printing what we've all be saying for the last decade or more.
Stavrogin
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The idea is that he has a lot of black friends and has done anti-racism work.
Therefore he's not racist and this racist outburst is to be attributed to some degree of mental retardation.
nailsy
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I agree with the last bit of the sentence.
worcestersauce
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He is not a racist he just believes using someone's race and colour are legitimate terms for abuse. Go figure?
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The Guardian/Observer don't hold back in their scathing opinion of the lastest Cole stuff.
Terry, however had previous with Ledley King going back to when he was sent off at WHL, only we will never know the full story of that day.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/oct/06/editorial-john-terry-ashley-cole-chelsea-england
Terry, however had previous with Ledley King going back to when he was sent off at WHL, only we will never know the full story of that day.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/oct/06/editorial-john-terry-ashley-cole-chelsea-england
beats1
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Interesting you say that when Drogba, Malouda(kick it out ambassador), Anelka and Mikel refused to sign a declaration stating that Terry is not a racist when asked!
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Well, you never know.
When Ledley releases his auto-biography: ' Why I Was The Dog's Bollocks ', that account may very well be in there.
brasil_spur
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This is the bit where i get neg repped no doubt, but the cultural origins of that from Suarez make it a lot less racist than what Terry said to Ferdinand. Negrito is not a racist word in South America, however what occurred after the incident was a shambles.
beats1
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The FA's South American linguistics(spelling?) expert said its not racist unless said in a offensive manner and the repeated use as well as pointing to the skin and pinching his skin changed the manner of the word to racist
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I guess the implication is you don't necessarily have to believe something to use it as a verbal weapon.
The reality is in this case though, that only a racist or someone off the scale of mental retardation would utter those words in front of several black colleagues, tens of thousands of black fans and a few million watching television.
The FA have made themselves look incredibly stupid. They are spending millions campaigning against racism, pointing at other nations problems, and here the captain of their national football uses openly racist language aimed at a black player and all they do is ban him for four games and fine him a weeks wages. It's an embarrassing disgrace for a nation supposedly leading the fight.
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I suppose the ultimate "devil's advocate" position is that Anton Ferdinand is black and may indeed be a **** so it could be construed as a factual statement.
In the real world however, there's no way you'd say that in anything other than a racist manner.
In the real world however, there's no way you'd say that in anything other than a racist manner.
brasil_spur
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Yeh well i'd disagree with that, the way he said it is meant offensively, but it really doesn't come with the 'racist' connotation in the same way it would over here.
It's the same way that Andrew Mitchell said 'pleb' - it's not meant as a classist comment towards the police officer, it was purely an offensive word used by someone who has grown up using this word in his every day vernacular. Of course if you were inclined you could debate that Mitchell is a classist and as such should hold no position in politics as clearly his political views and decisions will be made taking into favour the wealthy and upper class of society - but that would be an over-reaction and over-analysis of the situation.
What's happened in both cases is that people have said something a bit stupid in the heat of the moment which can be interpreted to mean much more than it really meant.
What both (mainly Suarez) should have done was issue an immediate apology and be done with the whole ordeal.
dav3j
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I'd think when it's been said, what, 8 times in a row, it's not really just one thing said "in the heat of the moment".
Also, I take it you know what "porque tu eres negro" means?
brasil_spur
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Racism is about continual behavior and beliefs more than a single comment. I recently heard a church-going (not sure why that should make a difference, but hey) white man in his 50s use the phrase: 'it's a nigger' in relation to a table he was trying to move that was causing him some problems due to it's weight.
I guess my point is that from a devil's advocate perspective you can find people who never utter a word of racism but deny minorities basic rights (work related, living related etc...) and no-one is concerned, yet someone who is not racist in their actions but utters a few racist swear words in their lives when they shouldn't get condemned.
For example:
I recently got asked by a client not to allow people of a certain nationality to rent their property, now that as per the terms of the law is racial discrimination.
In my opinion this is worse than someone calling someone else black, or polski, or a chink of whatever term is being used, assuming that person is not continually doing so and assuming that it was a heat of the moment type comment.
But John Terry is still a ****.
brasil_spur
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The whole situation was in the heat of the moment and Evra was threatening Suarez during this time too.
But the point is not whether the words are racist in England - they are. Nor whether Evra took it to be racist - he did. But whether Suarez is speaking in a racist way - personally i think it is borderline - but certainly isn't at the level that a lot of people are making out.
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