The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE 10th August 2012

SonicSarr · Aug 10, 2012

tttcowan said:
The thing is, and what perhaps people are missing is 95% of the posts shitting it about our lack of transfer activity aren't looking to blame Levy or AVB or people at spurs... We're just shitting it because for whatever the reason and whoever it is to blame we have no strikers, no modric replacement, no players specifically bought to fit avbs new system, no cover on the wings.

Information, misinformation, THFC plants in the Forum, media crap, rehashed media crap, chairmen posturing with silly soundbites, internet kiddies on holiday pretending to be ITK, nobody here actually really knowing what is going on = stirring up a big shit fest. Transfers and stuff I'm still cool with ... for now.

There are enough people at the club that will be aware of what we need to make something happen without us all getting worked up about it.

Last night Jenas played again and Thudd was on the bench. This week I am mostly shitting it that AVB might like Jenas

JerryGarcia · Aug 10, 2012

Scutch said:
An interesting post by Jacob on COYS (not for the Read Only, though ) in reply to a comment passed on from JJetset on Twitter:

Interesting indeed, I'd imagine they'll be happy to deal with us next time they want a player though. A bit like West Ham :LOL:

keepthehomefiresburning · Aug 10, 2012

Scutch said:
An interesting post by Jacob on COYS (not for the Read Only, though ) in reply to a comment passed on from JJetset on Twitter:

Wonder if there is any board members on here

PrettyColors · Aug 10, 2012

Stoof said:
Should we just sign any striker then?

I just don't understand people's thinking. If there are only a select number of targets who cannot be bought - what then? The fans'll be unhappy because we would have signed Julian Joachim?

Is it Levy's fault that City pay Ade £170k a week - a figure we can't match?

Is it Levy's fault if Inter won't sell us Damiao for a price?

Is it Levy's fault that Madrid won't pay up for Modric?

I mean the man can't win!!

Well whose fault is it then?

Or is it a combination of many factors? I'd say it's the latter.

It's just that in the simplistic mind of a football fan in "crisis mode" (and this holds true for most of the population as well tbh) there needs to be someone for the hate to be thrown at. A scapegoat. A target. An object for criticism.

Levy does a fine job running the club. I completely understand how 1 million really does make a giant difference. But if we go deep enough, the problems come from us not being able to blindly throw money at targets like Liverpool, City, or Chelsea. Why is that? Not big enough stadium. Harry deserves some blame for not getting us CL. Luck is a huge factor. Other clubs changing the market is a factor. Indecisiveness from our own camp. Unrealistic targets. etc., etc.

I guess the point is that we're finally realizing we've been punching above our weight.

gazzeh · Aug 10, 2012

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Wonder if there is any board members on here

I can't see the tweet? Can someone post it in clear text?

Sum Monsterism · Aug 10, 2012

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Wonder if there is any board members on here

I'm a bored member

(edit: parkie - like an olympic finish, it was a close thing dude. congrats to both I say, for being sooooo funny)

Parkie · Aug 10, 2012

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Wonder if there is any board members on here

I is a bored member.
Edit: Damn, beaten to it!

Interestingly, Mancini is quoted on SSN as being annoyed with City's lack of activity in the transfer market this year. We are not alone.

Bobbins · Aug 10, 2012

keepthehomefiresburning said:
Wonder if there is any board members on here

I would suggest that the 'plants' the club is accused of putting on the forums are rather more likely to be a couple of work experience kids in for the summer rather than 'board members', think you've misread that just a bit :LOL:

keepthehomefiresburning · Aug 10, 2012

gazzeh said:
I can't see the tweet? Can someone post it in clear text?

JJ is not wrong. We do not make things easy for ourselves in the transfer market. You can sugar coat it how you like but the club actually have people planted on this board to try and calm everybody down. Truth is there are certain clubs who refuse to deal with us and after the Ade transfer is done I am sure there will be one more to add to the list.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 10, 2012

HappySpur said:
Stoof I have been watching your defense of Levy these past few days with approval and admiration. I even got involved on your side in the only way I can be useful, with economics. Didn't matter.

They need to hate him now. Just the way it is. They will see their error in some amount of time. That I am sure of. But they will never admit it retrospect.

So the one reason I am responding to this, other than the genuine praise, is that I do think there is a middle ground where we should be looking at other strikers.
Rondon went for €10
de Jong went for €12
Mandzukic went for €13
Das Bost went for €9
Joselu for €6
Ola John €9
Castagninos €6

All of those were linked, whether by rumor or good source. They are all good strikers and they all went for fees that we typically find appealing. I wouldn't go to the level of saying I know they would be a good fit for us or the league. In fact, we know we looked at one and said no. But at some point, we have to be realistic about these crazier rumors and start thinking along these level of available, young and potential-laden forwards (Joselu would have been worth 4.5m even if we got Llorente AND Falcao). And it does worry me a bit that we don't seem to be chasing these types as well as Falcao, Llorente, Adebayor and Leandro. I'm worried that our search for a striker is currently black and white and needs to be very very gray.

Edit: and Cisse. We should have listened to Carr in 08 when he told us to get him

Funnily enough would have been a waste of 10 million last year the way we played. Might well have been a good one to buy under this new system. But, these things happen

I don't necessarily agree with the choices put up, but I agree with this principle. But this needs to be re-visited when the window closes. As long as we have Defoe the thinking is probably "we have our back up/second tier type striker" our priority is the first tier uber striker. Personally I'd swap Defoe for A N Other (maybe one on that list though none of those I know blow me away).

If we do (though I don't see how) end up with Adebayor and Damiao then your second tier type list becomes a bit moribund but if we don't, then I think it's a valid point, especially if we end up with just Adebayor or Damiao and Defoe as senior options.

keepthehomefiresburning · Aug 10, 2012

Bobbins said:
I would suggest that the 'plants' the club is accused of putting on the forums are rather more likely to be a couple of work experience kids in for the summer rather than 'board members', think you've misread that just a bit

Quite possibly well spotted

HappySpur · Aug 10, 2012

HighVoltage said:
So Levy's burning bridges then.

I don't think anybody in the world of football burns bridges. Except John Terry. Zing!

While I imagine that most other chairmen/gaffers prefer not having him on the other side of a negotiations, the fact is that this is an economic enclave of perceived riches and everybody can see past previous differences for cold hard cash. So whether player, agent or chairman/gaffer, they will always still deal with you if there is money to be had. They are probably vicious behind each other's back though.

German clubs sell to Bayern, despite not like to. Spanish clubs deal with Barca and Real, but probably hate it. And look at us. We have a relationship with del Niro of Sevilla that could have been featured on Hello! But we still sold them Zokora. And I doubt Levy and Ferguson share Christmas cards, but if he came to us with 40 million pounds, you know Levy would take that money.

So I personally think the ITK was hued with this same concept of Levy being some rabid pit bull that nobody wants to walk by on the street. But it's more like "hate him.....but money's money"

* I use the term perceived because football isn't as rich as the public imagine. It's a hurting industry but those in charge keep ignoring the signs

Stoof · Aug 10, 2012

PrettyColors said:
Well whose fault is it then?

Or is it a combination of many factors? I'd say it's the latter.

It's just that in the simplistic mind of a football fan in "crisis mode" (and this holds true for most of the population as well tbh) there needs to be someone for the hate to be thrown at. A scapegoat. A target. An object for criticism.

Levy does a fine job running the club. I completely understand how 1 million really does make a giant difference. But if we go deep enough, the problems come from us not being able to blindly throw money at targets like Liverpool, City, or Chelsea. Why is that? Not big enough stadium. Harry deserves some blame for not getting us CL. Luck is a huge factor. Other clubs changing the market is a factor. Indecisiveness from our own camp. Unrealistic targets. etc., etc.

I guess the point is that we're finally realizing we've been punching above our weight.

Think you've answered your own question buddy. People want to blame someone, I'm just not sure there is someone there.

Maybe not punching above our weight. Maybe just actually achieving what we're capable of, with this level of financing.

SugarRay · Aug 10, 2012

Mancini don't really need to be annoyed though, he has cover in every position!

I like how certain people are talking about Levy being difficult, we are burning bridges etc...fantastic excuse for when certain bits of information don't ring true!

I can see it now 'we had a deal in place, as I told you all, but Daniel being Daniel wanted his bus fare home from talks guarenteed before signing the contracts and that pushed City/Real/United over the edge. Refuse to deal with us now...my info was correct though'

( joke )

HappySpur · Aug 10, 2012

tttcowan said:
The thing is, and what perhaps people are missing is 95% of the posts shitting it about our lack of transfer activity aren't looking to blame Levy or AVB or people at spurs... We're just shitting it because for whatever the reason and whoever it is to blame we have no strikers, no modric replacement, no players specifically bought to fit avbs new system, no cover on the wings.

Actually a very good point. I am letting a vocal minority skew my perception of this. Good post (y)

<- I hate this guy by the way. Because his face looks like he's being a sarcastic douche. And I'm trying to be sincere.

cookiemonster · Aug 10, 2012

dellybelly said:
He doesn't want to sell Modric, so he can set whatever price he wants. If Madrid want the player, they should expect to pay that price.

Well next time Danny Levy put in a low bid for another club player

I hope you will be able to tell him that

Ledley's Right Foot · Aug 10, 2012

brasil_spur said:
HOLY MUFA FUCKA.... my Valium has worn off and i come back to the thread to find this being posted AGAIN, and with 2 x informative ratings, HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I literally do not know how much more spelling out this can take.

IT IS €60m

Not R$60m which is piss all compared to what Inter think he is worth.

Sweet fucking jesus

In my best panto voice 'oh no it isn't'

Or 'Ohhh no, it doesn't appear to be'

In all seriousness, I checked the latest brazil websites and they see it a bit differently.

Bus-Conductor · Aug 10, 2012

Scutch said:
An interesting post by Jacob on COYS (not for the Read Only, though ) in reply to a comment passed on from JJetset on Twitter:

Thanks for posting Scutch but I find this laughable.

When we've got something they want (these clubs that won't deal with us) they'll soon put their principles aside. We are doing ManC a huge favour. People don't seem to be queuing up to take Adebayor at £5m and £36m wages do they ? This is ManC who threatened to derail our Palacios bid if we didn't give them clear run at Bellamy ?

I'd love Jacob to name the clubs who won't do business with us.

King of Otters · Aug 10, 2012

HappySpur said:
Rondon went for €10
de Jong went for €12
Mandzukic went for €13
Das Bost went for €9
Joselu for €6
Ola John €9
Castagninos €6

Mabizela's Spanish cousin?

Why Levy? WHYYYYYYYYY?

Bizness · Aug 10, 2012

Right, David's happy, so...

Interesting post 1...

Presumably opinion, but nethertheless

david said:
It is not about a financial or psychological battle with modric... imo it is about the battle for how much we ask Real for Bale next year...'hypothetically they will 'final offer at 50m' we won't budge from 70m'. But if we bend and take in the low 30's for modric, we are also shaving off 10million from bale next summer by showing weakness. It is too small-visioned to say that lets 'cut our losses (why should we lose!?)' and bring in Moutinho to replace him as he's only 1 notch worse and wants to play. It is about maintaining our clubs ongoing negotiating postion and not being worn down like Arsenal were with Fabregas. Ultimately modric with 4 years remaining on his deal represents a great 'test-case' to demonstrate our strength in holding to what (IMO) is a reasonable valuation for the best allround midfielder available to Real in the world. They are challenging barca's midfield, probably the best of all time, and the truth is that they DO NEED Modric.

Interesting post 2...

david said:
vic. said:

JTS said:

vic. said:

david said:

My personal prediction is that after this season bale will be widely accepted as the 3rd best player in the world and real will offer 50 million, and we will be right to hold out for 70... Time will tell who is right Vic.

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70mil ???...is it right to spoil the progress of the football by holding out for such gigantic profits?...

its clear that money comes first last and always at spurs

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vic profit comes first for every prudent football club IMO. The point is no one will pay 70 mil for Bale.

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which was exactly my point ...holding out for a price you are never going to get in order to get slightly more costs us more in wasted time and performance than it does in profit

we get two million more than we would of and potentially miss out on a cl spot...do the math

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The 'Math’s' IS being done by Cambridge qualified genius geeks crunching mathematical scenarios, not by your Gut feelings. The same way that many of our transfer targets are decided

Interesting post 3...

Regarding the various London Journo stuff posted on twitter
Football Writer (AH) ‏@Journo_London

david said:
RE the 'info'. The time-scales are off, though the gk's are the right names, and the rest of it is remote rather than imminent. Modric not agreed.

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