Where do we go now?

[rez9000]

The Winchester and wait for all this to blow over

That's quite spooky - I was watching Shaun of the Dead just this morning. At the very time you posted that!

 

[sidford]

It seems like Levy doesn't know where we are going either which is very worrying.

It really does feel that fans are more disinterested and disenfranchised that ever before. Fans in the stadium for last home game could give Levy a taste of what is to come next season.

 

[shelfboy68]

It seems like Levy doesn't know where we are going either which is very worrying.

It really does feel that fans are more disinterested and disenfranchised that ever before. Fans in the stadium for last home game could give Levy a taste of what is to come next season.

They have every right to he deserves the criticism.

 

[PLTuck]

Long walk off a short pier sounds appealing at the moment.

 

[TasSpur]

So what do we as fans want? An oligarch or unsavoury nation state to pump in billions to compete with these other clubs with this type of ownership or the 50 plus one style of the German clubs which would undoubtedly mean we can't compete. I want us to win stuff really badly, but I also don't want the club to sell even more of its soul to the devil. That's the mess football is in. I don't know which way to go...

 

[SamR]

The decisions that need to be made won't be made.

 

[punkisback]

I think having a functioning academy takes time. It takes a while for that investment to make a return. It’s only a few years old but hopefully we will start to see more players come through. Japhet as come through, good chance we’ll see Skipp involved next year and then we have the likes of Parrot and Scarlett too. Jack Clarke was doing well this season before he got injured too. I tend to think we are at our best when we sign young players. When you look at some of our best players over the last 20 years Walker, Rose, Bale, Lennon they were young and brought through. Modrić too was relatively young at the time.

I think our problem is actually sticking to that model and having faith with it. I think when we need to make that step, bringing in older players who Danny Rose doesn’t have to google, we forget to refresh in other areas with younger hungry players.

It’s not just the club that needs to have faith with it but fans too. We’re happy to go along with the academy/young talentset up for a couple of years but the way football is we just end up forgetting about it and demanding £75 million superstars.

Its a two way thing though. Club as to have faith with it, but fans need to understand that’s how things are. We have to buy into that identity.

That’s the thing. With Poch and Even with AVB we had young hungry players. Right now we have deadwood and a few stars and signings from two years ago still settling in.

 

[double0]

First and foremost we need to get back our identity as a club. The Jose philosophy (win at all costs) was never a good fit for us. We have this amazing new stadium with over 62k fans and they want to watch exciting football. It didn't take too long before Redknapp or Poch had us playing exciting football at a time when we were terrible. It also wasn't long before they both got us into a final and into champions league either.

We may feel that we're long way off but a lot of teams have problems at the moment. This season has seen so many teams struggle for consistency. Besides football is largely about momentum.Things can change around so quickly in football especially when fans return. Even a single goal can switch the confidence back and have everyone looking to get on the ball. It doesn't have to take that long for us to get back to playing exciting attacking football again. Levy has to get a man manager who fits our club. We've always done better with those type of coaches.

I agree it doesn't take that long but I truly feel this current squad is mentally damaged we have far to many players not up to the required quality used to failing imo it'll take further investment from Levy to upgrade on our starting 11....Aurier Dier Toby Sissoko Winks Doherty and others not good enough or lack consistency.

The culture from the top has to change also ENIC have put profit above glory, sacking Mourinho before the cup final last min transfer deals in the past is ludicrous mismanagement imo

 

[mumfordspur]

So what do we as fans want? An oligarch or unsavoury nation state to pump in billions to compete with these other clubs with this type of ownership or the 50 plus one style of the German clubs which would undoubtedly mean we can't compete. I want us to win stuff really badly, but I also don't want the club to sell even more of its soul to the devil. That's the mess football is in. I don't know which way to go...

We just want success Tas.
We absolutely need a PL title.
Apart from Al Qaeda or Sol Scumbell - anything goes.

 

[mil1lion]

I agree it doesn't take that long but I truly feel this current squad is mentally damaged we have far to many players not up to the required quality used to failing imo it'll take further investment from Levy to upgrade on our starting 11....Aurier Dier Toby Sissoko Winks Doherty and others not good enough or lack consistency.

The culture from the top has to change also ENIC have put profit above glory, sacking Mourinho before the cup final last min transfer deals in the past is ludicrous mismanagement imo

Another window like the last one and a couple of youngsters coming in would help complete the overhaul.

 

[double0]

Another window like the last one and a couple of youngsters coming in would help complete the overhaul.

We need to shift a lot of players first... Its important Levy doesn't get bog down with getting the best deal (don't get me wrong the best deals are important) we surely will have to take some hits but can recover certain losses by selling players.

 

[richard_gleeson]

Bring back Foyth. Better than our right backs

 

[sidford]

Bring back Foyth. Better than our right backs

Some jinx you are, gone off with a hammy about 2 minutes after you posted this

 

[CanberraSpur]

To be fair, Poch is where the rot started. The players were very apathetic (although pathetic fits too) long before he was sacked. He alluded to needing a full rebuild due to schisms in the dressing room.



I don't see why Levy is at fault. The dressing room is supposed to be sacrosanct for directors that they never cross. Even when Levy tried to socialise with players in the training ground, people mocked him for acting like David Brent. Is he supposed to be giving the players pep talks before the game?

You can always accuse Levy of not getting better players, but the fact is the players we have *are* good enough. We got into the top 4 and beyond on merit, and we can get there again. My take on it is that that footballers are no different to any other employees, they are humans. They all have different wants and needs and need to be stroked the right way. If they aren't happy, they aren't going to play well. Poch couldn't deal with the personalities. Jose seemed completely ill-equipped to deal with it too. I suspect it will be well above Mason too as it looks like removing Jose wasn't enough to united the dressing room. What we need is someone who values man-management above everything to do whatever's necessary to each individual player to them going again and then we can start to remove the most toxic employees and replace them. That's the rebuild that Poch said we'd need.

The BSoDL are still alive. What would it take before they stopped?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The BSoDL are still alive. What would it take before they stopped?

That'll never happen, he's planted his evil seed into too many now

 

[Sputic]

It seems like Levy doesn't know where we are going either which is very worrying.

It really does feel that fans are more disinterested and disenfranchised that ever before. Fans in the stadium for last home game could give Levy a taste of what is to come next season.

He really needs to take a step back from the football side of things.

 

[Lawrence]

I started supporting Spurs during the Gascoigne era. There were moments of magic but no trophies. It was enjoyable.

Do I want to go back to that era with moments of magic but no trophies? I'm not sure. Our hopes have been lifted with CL delivered by Redknapp, Jol and Poch.

But we have to be humble and accept we are no longer an attractive club compared to the top clubs.

Accept a rebuild. Accept without new owners, we will never compete with the top 4 again. Accept Kane and Son will leave.

Rebuild. And change our expectations.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

So it’s obvious there’s a lot wrong with us at the moment. While we know a new manager will be announced in the next few weeks, I’ve been thinking about the sorts of things I’d like to see happen under their new tenureship.

Firstly, watching Leeds give us a hiding today just reinforces the obvious that we have been poorly coached and managed for the last 18 months. We desperately need a coach that will create coherent systems of play and forge an identity the squad can shape themselves around. We absolutely have neither at the moment.

We need to shift the dross. But I also think we need to be careful here. It’s hard to truly evaluate players that have joined us since the wheels started falling off in the autumn of 2019. While I’m frustrated with Reggie, GLC and Ndombele, I’d like us to see what they can do in a team with an identity, a team that is well coached. However, there are also players, for different reasons, that have to be moved on.

I’d like to see us move away from choking every time an opportunity presents itself. I’m fed up with seeing us lose semi finals, or finals because players have bad games and seem to be either overwhelmed by the occasion or just not bothered. We had a brilliant opportunity to put pressure on the top four today after Leicester lost to Newcastle, and we go and do the expected: we lose, and throw away the opportunity.

We need our chairman to step up. We need Levy to be decisive, as much as is reasonable, in the transfer market this window. That’s sales and purchases. No prevaricating, no pissing off third parties over additional haggling- just getting the right players in and out in a timely way. He needs to back the new manager

 

[Gassin's finest]

For the first time I am hanging all of this on Levy. Everything since 2018 has been a steady decline, with the outlier of the CL final aside.

Either poor or no signings, sacking rather than backing Poch, Jose, the Amazon piss take, the ESL...

He needs to step back from football, stop sticking his oar in, and let someone who actually knows what he's fucking doing take over. Until the football club is ran intelligently, this isn't going to improve.

As such we need a new "project" now. I'm leaning towards Potter, seeing as no one else will want to take over a team with no Europe, and he can at least start instilling a proper footballing culture into a new team. Because this one is finished.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

For the first time I am hanging all of this on Levy. Everything since 2018 has been a steady decline, with the outlier of the CL final aside.

Either poor or no signings, sacking rather than backing Poch, Jose, the Amazon piss take, the ESL...

He needs to step back from football, stop sticking his oar in, and let someone who actually knows what he's fucking doing take over. Until the football club is ran intelligently, this isn't going to improve.

As such we need a new "project" now. I'm leaning towards Potter, seeing as no one else will want to take over a team with no Europe, and he can at least start instilling a proper footballing culture into a new team. Because this one is finished.

levy was shit but poch wasn't any better when he refused any signings other than de ligt or de jong and put us into a relegation position