The myth of the 60.000 seater

[Misfit]

We need to be properly shit again. This is not a Spurs-specific problem. With talent comes expectations.

It's not that we're a special case. Maybe that's why it's disappointing. It highlights just how normal a fanbase we are, and probably always have been.

 

[E17yid]

We need to be properly shit again. This is not a Spurs-specific problem. With talent comes expectations.

It's not that we're a special case. Maybe that's why it's disappointing. It highlights just how normal a fanbase we are, and probably always have been.

Exactly this

 

[shelfboy68]

Everything the man has done in the past shows that up to be the bullshit that it is.

Apart from that, spot on.

Sorry Daniel I didnt mean to upset you only to point out a couple of facts but otherwise you are spot on.

 

[shelfboy68]

The only way we'll fill a stadium of 50k+ size is if we offer various concessions, cheap tickets for kids, family day type things etc. Even for some Premiership games I think we might struggle. It's definitely not as difficult to get tickets these days as it was even a couple of years ago.

So many people seem to have this sense of entitlement these days that a lot of people who were desperate for tickets a few years ago aren't too bothered these days unless it's Real Madrid or something. That adventure in the CL made some people expect that every week, for some reason.

Still, I can't see the club actually offering any cheaper tickets, I can actually see them increasing prices, justified by 'paying for the stadium'.

Why would we need to offer this when there is a waiting list of over 36, 000 the last time the club sent me some info.
Surely the club is confident of filling a stadium based on any demographic or any info they may have we are not West ham who are still selling tickets on the radio the night before games.

 

[luka loopy]

This actually isn't correct. We need a new stadium with about 10,000 corporate seats and 200+ boxes, what the number of regular seats are doesn't matter for stadium economics. In modern stadiums between 65-75% of total revenues come from the "Club Wembley" layer.

As an aside this is a fact people have missed about the Spammers and the Olympic Stadium, capacity doesn't matter, the stadium was built without a corporate layer and that can't be created without knocking it down, hence our proposal. Of course your average Spammer is too stupid to understand and the porn kings are looking at an entirely different proposition which is selling / developing Upton Park and getting a new ground for free.

This exactly..... its also the reason why the stadium is so expensive. The majority of the the costing on a stadium (upwards of 60%) goes on the fit-out of the corporate areas. That is why clubs in on the continent have built large stadiums on a tiny budget compared to our proposed stadium, because they dont have the demand/requirement for the corporate areas. Its also why Wembley was so riduculously expensive.

 

[Barry Mead]

I thought that you didn't lose your place in the queue. The ticket just gets offered down the line, but refusing a ST doesn't forfeit your place in line. Could be wrong though.

Whilst we don't "need" a new stadium I think that having one would give us much more potential to grow. If there was more price flexibility on the low category games and there were more direct public transport links I reckon we would still get a lot of people through the door.

It would be interesting to come up with some way of limiting the capacity for certain games to retain a decent atmosphere. Maybe hang huge banners of various Spurs legends around the upper tier or something so that the stadium looks cool and still feels full.

Don't get me wrong I think we need a bigger stadium but I think we need to ensure we have a team that is capable of filling it. The issue to me is not a question of whether 55k or 60k packed stadium is better for the team than a 36k one, simply that we cannot focus on the stadium at the expense of the team because a 55 or 60k stadium only half full is not as good as a 36k full every game

 

[shelfmonkey]

Modern football isn't like this though. In a 60k seater stadium there is room for every sort of fan, that is the beauty of it. Nobody should be discouraged from going to watch spurs, they might not sing loudly but that ticket money adds up.

The gooners make a fucking killing (it's actually pretty obscene), we really need try and at least get near what they are doing.

It doesn't have to be one sort of fan vs another, get them all in.

I would rather dispense with the "I want to be 'entertained' at a match" type, keep The Lane as it is and have noisy, raucous beer fueled fans filling the stadium.

 

[Bobbins]

Why would we need to offer this when there is a waiting list of over 36, 000 the last time the club sent me some info.
Surely the club is confident of filling a stadium based on any demographic or any info they may have we are not West ham who are still selling tickets on the radio the night before games.

Because the waiting list numbers are not accurate.

Because if suddenly given the opportunity not every person on the waiting list would want to buy or could afford to buy a season ticket.

Because we still don't fill the stadium for hardly any games except the Premier League.

Because it's still quite easy to get tickets on general sale for Premier League games, especially midweek.

There you go.

 

[shelfboy68]

Because the waiting list numbers are not accurate.

Because if suddenly given the opportunity not every person on the waiting list would want to buy or could afford to buy a season ticket.

Because we still don't fill the stadium for hardly any games except the Premier League.

Because it's still quite easy to get tickets on general sale for Premier League games, especially midweek.

There you go.

You or I dont know if any figures are accurate or not but one of my mates who I go to the lane with is number 32, 000 and something so maybe the figures are not so wrong after all eh.

 

[Graysonti]

Because the waiting list numbers are not accurate.

Because if suddenly given the opportunity not every person on the waiting list would want to buy or could afford to buy a season ticket.

Because we still don't fill the stadium for hardly any games except the Premier League.

Because it's still quite easy to get tickets on general sale for Premier League games, especially midweek.

There you go.

You don't go to games or book tickets clearly. Devon ?

All Prem games were sold weeks ago.

And no one gives much of a fuck for cup comps these day. Sad but modem footie

 

[Bobbins]

You don't go to games or book tickets clearly. Devon ?

All Prem games were sold weeks ago.

And no one gives much of a fuck for cup comps these day. Sad but modem footie

Bollocks, I go to plenty, but always via general sale tickets. I go with between 2 and 6 people usually depending on the game and we usually get tickets in the week before games. Usually midweek for league games and Europa League (which I don't think we've sold out on all season apart from Lazio and Inter) we've also been to cup games on Saturdays and Sundays via the tons of resold season tickets. But a midwwek league game is easy to get general sale tickets, that's why 99% of the time I end up in the Park Lane behind the goal as that's where most of the general sale tickets come from. Untaken away allocations and the usual big spare sections there come up all the time.

And why the fuck would you assume I'm from Devon?

 

[Graysonti]

Bollocks, I go to plenty, but always via general sale tickets. I go with between 2 and 6 people usually depending on the game and we usually get tickets in the week before games. Usually midweek for league games and Europa League (which I don't think we've sold out on all season apart from Lazio and Inter) we've also been to cup games on Saturdays and Sundays via the tons of resold season tickets. But a midwwek league game is easy to get general sale tickets, that's why 99% of the time I end up in the Park Lane behind the goal as that's where most of the general sale tickets come from. Untaken away allocations and the usual big spare sections there come up all the time.

And why the fuck would you assume I'm from Devon?

You completely missed my point on cup tickets. Completely.

I book tickets and I know how hard Prem tickets are to get.

Don't reply, you talk .....

 

[Bobbins]

You completely missed my point on cup tickets. Completely.

I book tickets and I know how hard Prem tickets are to get.

Don't reply, you talk .....

Nope, I didn't completely miss it at all - but just because you dismiss the fact that we rarely fill the ground for cup games as unimportant doesn't mean I think it's unimportant - in fact it reinforces exactly what I said , to fill 50k+ we will need to do concessions. Especially for cup games.

And I've still been to PL games as well which have gone on GS this season, so I pointed that out as well.

Explaining myself isn't missing your point, it's making it clear that your point makes no sense.

And I'll reply to what I like, thanks, despite the random insults.

 

[wizgell]

Absolutely buzzing at the prospect of seeing us move to a new stadium but if almost doubling the amount of home 'support' is going to double how bad the atmosphere has been this season then it will be disastrous in terms of the atmosphere of the place.

Financially, it'll be great providing we stay in top 4 for years to come

 

[Bus-Conductor]

AYC has covered this best. It's not just the total capacity that's key - and I share the OP's concerns about filling 56,000, especially if we start to do drop down the league a little.

The point is we have to do this if we are ever to truly compete with teams like Arsenal, let alone Chelsea and ManC. It all counts, but the bigger ticket comes from the corporate/top tier strata revenue.

Either way, with FFP kicking (even without it) in it's about maximising revenue, and without the new stadium we don't stand a chance of even beginning to compete.

 

[Graysonti]

Nope, I didn't completely miss it at all - but just because you dismiss the fact that we rarely fill the ground for cup games as unimportant doesn't mean I think it's unimportant - in fact it reinforces exactly what I said , to fill 50k+ we will need to do concessions. Especially for cup games.

And I've still been to PL games as well which have gone on GS this season, so I pointed that out as well.

Explaining myself isn't missing your point, it's making it clear that your point makes no sense.

And I'll reply to what I like, thanks, despite the random insults.

I agree on the cup concessions 100%.

 

[Bobbins]

Here's my view of the West Ham game in November:

At the Villa game in my usual place:

Hope that's good enough for you.

 

[Capocrimini]

Only reason I havent been to a midweek game this year is the travel. Gettting to and back from the lane is a disaster at the moment, can hack it on a weekend but after work its just killer. The transport improvement is key for me, id pay whatever however to get a season ticket.

On the atmosphere it seems like we expect too much, when I used to go regularly when we had Jol in charge it was far more enjoyable. Now I feel like im surrounded by footballing geniuses who hate spurs, yet pay to go watch them.

 

[Yid-ol]

Here's my view of the West Ham game in November:

At the Villa game in my usual place:

Hope that's good enough for you.

One pic of during the game... other looks like before or at HT.

Do that at any ground and it will look the same.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

we need one more seat than scum!