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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 August 2010

brett.spurs

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They are all already stacked with good strikers that's why. And when I say good strikers, I mean strikers that are actually good, not just ones that are only rated by their own fans it seems.

You and Brett.spurs make a good double act, I'm not sure who's more negative!:roll:

Just because I have reservations about one particular player doesn't mean I'm negative.
 

klink

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This. we did more than fine without Keane 2nd half of last season, so he has to be most dispensable.

Huntelaar should be considered by everyone on here to at least be a substantial upgrade on Gudjohnsen, which would mean our striker force, with GDS also in contention, being stronger than it was when we finished last season.

Sandro and Young would be a great upgrade in midfield, too IMHO.
Who is Sandro an upgrade on and why? Just looking for reasons and hoping you're understating it:grin:
 

walworthyid

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Why would you sell the 2 strikers that contributed most to our best ever Premier League season?

Keane is so indispensable that we shipped him off to Scotland for half the season. As for Pav, well I like him, but if we could get a genuine upgrade on him then he can go too.

I would only sell them if we could get better players in. My point was that imo neither are good enough, not that both are shit.
 

bomberH

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from what i have seen of Huntelaar, he has no great pace (prob a bit less/same as Defoe) he is not a hold up player, he does not contribute to build up more than say Bent did, and is not a stand out finisher either?

Then you must've seen 5 minutes of one bad game he had.
 

klink

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Then you must've seen 5 minutes of one bad game he had.
I know little of Huntelaar but you seem to be the painting him as the new Messiah. I watched the Youtube clip you posted (and Fazza's I think) and neither would convince me other than the guy sure as shit know's where the goal is.
 

bomberH

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I think Huntelaar's exit from Real Madrid was partly political though. Let's not forget they sold Robben and Sneijder at the same time, and they've been doing okay since.

Excellent point. Madrid buy and sell the best players for fun like some sort of retarded stock exhcange.

As for the 'what else does he offer' question, does it matter? What matters more than scoring prolifically? I'm a big Defoe fan, but if we signed KJH and he ended up taking Defoe's place, due to the amount of goals he's scoring, then who gives a shit? People shouldn't be moaning because we might be buying KJH. At the most, they should also be hoping for us to sign another player that offers something different. Just because he's not the hold up player some seem to be gagging for, doesn't mean he won't be a massive success for Spurs. And although he scored lots of goals in just a few games last season, there were plenty of games we were crying out for goals and didn't even look like scoring.
 

bomberH

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I know little of Huntelaar but you seem to be the painting him as the new Messiah. I watched the Youtube clip you posted (and Fazza's I think) and neither would convince me other than the guy sure as shit know's where the goal is.

See my above post. What's wrong with signing someone who knows where the goal is? I don't mean to paint him as the messiah, but what i'm trying to say is that he's obviously a natural goalscorer and there is no way judging from his history with Ajax, Madrid and Milan, that people can write him off without even seeing him in the Prem. He may well fail here, but there's no way anyone who's seen him on a semi regular basis can say he'll fail based on the evidence we've seen from him up til now.
 

bomberH

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no, just every game for Milan last season?

So, around 200 minutes of him then? :wink:

and one good chip at Catania does not a finisher make...

Ok, watch the clip i posted earlier in the thread. I know the argument of youtube, but there's around 20-30 excellent finishes in that clip. The man knows how to finish. People can debate anything else about him, but he knows how to finish.
 

danielneeds

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Because you put your defence under unnecessary pressure if every time they clear it it comes straight back. You need some outlet and option to occasionally play long.

Huntelaar is effective in the 18 yard box - that's all. You want our midfield to have to do absolutely everything other than that final last touch?

This is simply a myth that you have chosen to adopt, and shows that you haven't seen him play many 90 minutes. To be a number 9 growing in Dutch football you have to be able to play back to goal, as almost all sides play 433 or a variant of it, and you are the point of the attack, it is part of your job.

Now whether he could do this in the much tougher PL, where defenders will be physically robust with him is up to question, but suggest that he can't link the play at all is just wrong.
 

davidmatzdorf

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As ever, the discussion has become polarised on the quesion of whether Huntelaar is "shit" or "brilliant".

I'm more interested in whether he is different. We have very good strikers already. We need a striker who can do what our current crew cannot do very well: play up front on his own, hold up the ball, control high balls instead of flicking them on in hope, play in onrushing midfielders to score goals.

Huntelaar is a very good striker, but he's not expert in any of those areas. If we sign him, I expect that he'll score goals himself, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we'll be a better team and will win more matches.
 

bomberH

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Sorry klink, i thought you were referring to the post i made re the 7 headers, he only scored 7 in total for Milan which is why i didn't think you were referring to that.

I can't quite figure out if you're pro or anti KJH coming. You seem to be arguing both sides.
 
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