The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 11 August 2010

[klink]

See my above post. What's wrong with signing someone who knows where the goal is? I don't mean to paint him as the messiah, but what i'm trying to say is that he's obviously a natural goalscorer and there is no way judging from his history with Ajax, Madrid and Milan, that people can write him off without even seeing him in the Prem. He may well fail here, but there's no way anyone who's seen him on a semi regular basis can say he'll fail based on the evidence we've seen from him up til now.

Agreed, 100%.

 

[theShiznit]

well if you don't know where the goal is from a couple of yards you need to lay off the drinking games... (maybe that's Pav's problem...

also didn't Milan want to Swap Huntelaar for Pav?
probably paper talk but seem to remember it benig mooted.

 

[Zimmy]

They are all already stacked with good strikers that's why. And when I say good strikers, I mean strikers that are actually good, not just ones that are only rated by their own fans it seems.

You and Brett.spurs make a good double act, I'm not sure who's more negative!:roll:

But why are Milan so keen to sell him when they aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of centre forwards?

You can excuse what happened at Madrid by pointing to the sale of Robben and Sneijder, but it appears to me that Milan have been trying to get of rid of him almost ever since they bought him.

They must think they've been sold a pup?

 

[Leo]

I'm quite excited by the prospect of Huntelaar actually. He wasn't on the top of my list but he was there or there abouts, and at £9 (ish) mill its at least worth a shot to see what he'll be like in the Prem. If he's crap we can sell him and get Carroll when Newcastle go down.

if I was in charge this summer my targets would have been Pazzini, Chiellini, Cassano. Still, harry knows best.

 

[klink]

Sorry klink, i thought you were referring to the post i made re the 7 headers, he only scored 7 in total for Milan which is why i didn't think you were referring to that.

I can't quite figure out if you're pro or anti KJH coming. You seem to be arguing both sides.

97.5% pro. But I do like to recognise that no argument is 100% either way. (other than my previous post where I agreed with you 100%)

 

[Spurs_Bear]

well if you don't know where the goal is from a couple of yards you need to lay off the drinking games... (maybe that's Pav's problem...

also didn't Milan want to Swap Huntelaar for Pav?
probably paper talk but seem to remember it benig mooted.

I think it was Giovani most recently, but apparently this was put down as 'paper talk' and nothing more.

I really do admire the loyalty shown towards Pav on SC, it's such a shame that Jenas and a few others couldn't benefit from the same.

Shame it's so unwarranted really.

 

[klink]

I think it was Giovani most recently, but apparently this was put down as 'paper talk' and nothing more.

I really do admire the loyalty shown towards Pav on SC, it's such a shame that Jenas and a few others couldn't benefit from the same.

Shame it's so unwarranted really.

Schizo?

 

[bomberH]

But why are Milan so keen to sell him when they aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of centre forwards?

You can excuse what happened at Madrid by pointing to the sale of Robben and Sneijder, but it appears to me that Milan have been trying to get of rid of him almost ever since they bought him.

They must think they've been sold a pup?

It may be just a case of Italian football not particularly suiting his style. Henry was shit in Italy, as was Vieira. Maybe that, plus the fact he had a bad experience in Spain, just made things difficult for him. I reckon the Prem would suit him to a tee. Could be wrong, obviously, but i genuinely think he'd be a great signing for us.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

But why are Milan so keen to sell him when they aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of centre forwards?

You can excuse what happened at Madrid by pointing to the sale of Robben and Sneijder, but it appears to me that Milan have been trying to get of rid of him almost ever since they bought him.

They must think they've been sold a pup?

Most reports coming out of Milan have been on the contrary, they aren't desperate to get rid of him.

Could have something to with change of manager after the departure of Leonardo, could be that his face doesn't fit, could be a number of reasons.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Schizo?

Pardon me?

 

[stemark44]

I think the thing that sets Huntelaar apart from Bent,Pavlyuchenko,Crouch and Defoe is his first touch which is world class and in this league that means a hell of a lot.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Right.....here goes I've watched huntelaar 20-30 times not on one of these occasions have I thought fucckk sign him up he's overated because of his past time in the championsh....sorry eredeisvle where the standard bar the 2 top teams is sadly rubbish.

He has no pace nowhere near as quick as say Defoe he is also probably slower than pav.
He's not strong like everyvlbody seems to think he was in the ereideisvle but that's a whole different kettle of fish compared to your vidics terrys and shawcrosses.
His finishing yes is great when he's confident but it still doesn't merit us selling somebody to accommodate him because it simply don't merit it.
He also makes very poor decisions one of the recent poor ones was in the world cup when he was clear on goal if he squares it holland go through easily instead he couldn't make his mind up then I think he trod on the ball but luckily for him brazil didn't break and score and holland went on to win.
His heading is also nothing special.

Overall he is not what we need he is overrated because of his exploits back in holland if we sign him he has huge potential to be the next mateja kezman. We need a big strong fast powerful striker somebody a bit more drogbery rather than rasiakey.

Although if we sign him I'm open for him to prove me wrong and somebody can dig this post up.

There are other strikers out there I'd much rather have e.g
Loic remy - I know nothing about him but he seems to be fast and powerful
Carlton cole - big and pacey for a big lad and strong.
John carew - let's captalise on there turmoil 8 mil be cheeky

For 9 mil k.jones would have been worth a try
I'd rather we keep keen and pav than get klass jan huntelaar and I'm not very sure about keeping keane either.

 

[Leo]

I think it was Giovani most recently, but apparently this was put down as 'paper talk' and nothing more.

I really do admire the loyalty shown towards Pav on SC, it's such a shame that Jenas and a few others couldn't benefit from the same.

Shame it's so unwarranted really.

Agreed, it's insane actually considering his agent has done nothing but slate our club. He's a really good player pav, but some days he gets the same kind of worship as tottenham great :shrug: when he's nowhere near that level. If he goes this summer I think he'll look back at his time here in regret which is quite sad really.

 

[klink]

It may be just a case of Italian football not particularly suiting his style. Henry was shit in Italy, as was Vieira. Maybe that, plus the fact he had a bad experience in Spain, just made things difficult for him. I reckon the Prem would suit him to a tee. Could be wrong, obviously, but i genuinely think he'd be a great signing for us.

Sorry dude after getting all lovey, but Viera was plucked as a young boy wink from AC and Henry was a (car crashed, I may be getting confused here) winger before becoming the super-duper-detestable-hand-balling-prick we've all come to want kill.

 

[bomberH]

Sorry dude after getting all lovey, but Viera was plucked as a young boy wink from AC and Henry was a (car crashed, I may be getting confused here) winger before becoming the super-duper-detestable-hand-balling-prick we've all come to want kill.

S'ok. i still love you. Yep, Henry was 'changed' but the fact remains he wasn't a success in Italy. His whole style of play was mainly coming in from a wide position when he was at Arsenal, so it wasn't too dissimilar from his time in Italy. Vieira i agree with. Not 100% though...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think it was Giovani most recently, but apparently this was put down as 'paper talk' and nothing more.

I really do admire the loyalty shown towards Pav on SC, it's such a shame that Jenas and a few others couldn't benefit from the same.

Shame it's so unwarranted really.

It does help a fuck of a lot if you happen to have a name that fits one of our only three tunes.

.

 

[Rackybear]

Might as well talk about Bellamy. More likely to end up with him then we are with Huntelaar it seems.

 

[jurgen]

I think I agree with B-C's point re: premiership centre backs (without wishing to get drawn into an argument about our ones) - yes a lot of them rough people up, but compared to Italian or Spanish defenders, I wouldn't be surprised if Huntelaar would profit from outfoxing many of the ocean liner sized cloggers who trundle around penalty boxes for teams at each end of the league. I wouldn't say any of our strikers now, or with the roles they've morphed into, have good enough movement in the box, time after time.

There's been a lot of people putting forth arguments for "complete" strikers without any reflection of the fact those complete strikers are by their complete nature top tier world class players out of reach. Its just reiteration, but you can't say get someone like Drogba/Torres, there's barely any other strikers in the world like them let alone realistic at all. The mystical force of the Premiership's "physicality" would have some people questioning whether Villa would be a hit (like Torres they'd never catch him), or even Luis Fabiano or next then Huntelaar.

At least some people are giving us realistic ideas for alternatives, it just happens they're not much cop.

 

[Coyboy]

How many passes a wide midfielder makes may be irrelevant to you but it is not irrelevant to me. And the stats below refer to the chances they create. I accept that it does not refer to the assist/goals. But Bentley has always created more chances per minute on the pitch. I posted that because someone was pointing out how Young had one of the best chance created stats in the EPL.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=1892581&postcount=23

And Alves can and does often play as a RM, but Brazil don't ever play him there with Maicon because they both like to bomb forward.

It's what they do with the passes that counts. This basic principle of football always passes you by; it's why you irrelevantly compare Modric to Lennon. Bentley spends half his time passing it sideways precisely because he has neither the skill or the pace to get past players. But then you know this and are just playing devil's advocate.

You said Bentley has been better re goals/assists than Young each season. This is just factually wrong. Relying solely on chances created is pretty shaky ground as does a corner or a simple pass count as that. I prefer a player that a) scores more goals and b)creates more goals and is more similar to how we play.

Re Alves/Maicon see brasilspur and also it's irrelevant as they are, I believe, both right footed. The whole point I was making was it would be good to have Young come in on his right with Bale overlapping.

 

[Coyboy]

As I pointed out previously, per time on the pitch Bentley has outscored Young every season on goals/assists combo I think.

You think wrong.