Poll: Who should be our regular keeper?

[Mackay6]

This really shouldn't be a debate should it.

Exactly, it's absolutely ludicrous and stupidity on a grand scale from AVB.

 

[chrissivad]

1 - flapped at wigan goal - failed to deal with cross that led to soton

2. yep - just go through the games - count the mistakes you''ll see Brad has made moe

3 - there isn't realistically, Lloris is a far better goalie, superior in all the major aspects of goalkeeping, from shot stopping to dealing with crosses, agility, speed off the line - so in the normal use of the phrase there really isn't any comparison, hugo is streets ahead

that's why he's captain of France and one of the most highly rated keepers in the world and rated far higher than Brad

mind you if AVB continues to knock Lloris' confidence back, then it might be Lloris does go backwards.

Well, you must have already gone through them and counted them to know that Brad has made more. So the stats should be on hand unless your making shit up to try and prove your point.

Your not doing that now are you?

It would be kind of hard for Brad to be France's captain... let alone keeper.

 

[Mackay6]

Well, you must have already gone through them and counted them to know that Brad has made more. So the stats should be on hand unless your making shit up to try and prove your point.

Your not doing that now are you?

It would be kind of hard for Brad to be France's captain... let alone keeper.

No I'm not, and were Brad French he wouldn't be anywhere near France's keeper

The French find this situation at once both laughable and humiliating that a clearly superior keeper in Lloris is being forced to sit on our bench by our ridiculous manager

 

[chrissivad]

well you have claimed that Brad has made more mistakes on a game basis so im asking you to prove it.

Its what happens in a debate, you have to back up what you claim.

 

[Mackay6]

well you have claimed that Brad has made more mistakes on a game basis so im asking you to prove it.

Its what happens in a debate, you have to back up what you claim.

Fine, I'm giving my view that having watched the two keepers in all their games live this this season, I've noticed that Brad has made far more mistakes than Hugo.

My guess would be the error rate would be something like 3 mistakes by Brad to one by Hugo

but without doubt Brad has made more mistakes

you clearly don't pay much attention to games, at least recently, as I had to point out the two blatant clangers by Brad v Wigan and Soton which you appear to have missed.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Exactly, it's absolutely ludicrous and stupidity on a grand scale from AVB.

I just think he's trying to prove to the media that he's learnt from his Chelsea 'mistakes', because to me it's such a no brainer.

He knows it, 90% of us know it, fuck Brad Friedel probably knows it.

Come on AVB, you know it makes sense.

 

[Mackay6]

I just think he's trying to prove to the media that he's learnt from his Chelsea 'mistakes', because to me it's such a no brainer.

He knows it, 90% of us know it, fuck Brad Friedel probably knows it.

Come on AVB, you know it makes sense.

Well said, so having messed up with Chelsea on a grand scale, what a shame he didn't stay there BTW, he's now coming to Spurs and messing up in the opposite direction - way to go Andre - not.

 

[StartingPrice]

are you a happy bunny now?

Yeah
It don't take much - a few Little Gem leaves and a tickle on the stomach and I'm easy

 

[jolsnogross]

1 - flapped at wigan goal - failed to deal with cross that led to soton goal, I'm amazed if you hadn't noticed these and need me to spell them out, but happy to do so

I think the Wigan goal is an honest difference of opinions. A corner came in wicked fast right under his crossbar and he made a save ....he also almost got back to Watson's strike but not quite. Why Watson had no marker is a bigger question. He also made numerous saves in that game to keep it a contest. So, I reckon it's very harsh to say he flapped at that corner, but fair enough if you want to characterize it that way.

The Soton goal description is a lie though. A corner came in low to the near post and Brad made a really good point blank save to keep it from going over the line. The Soton lad followed up and knocked it in high off the post. Nothing Brad could do about it. To suggest he "failed to deal with cross that led to Soton goal" is simply not true.

Watch it again from 3:04 below.

 

[jolsnogross]

As someone pointed out in the other thread, we've got two great keepers, one of whom is on his way to retirement. This is a nice situation to be in and I don't quite get why the knives are out for Brad. Lloris will get his chance and hopefully be in goal for us for many years.

 

[chrissivad]

Fine, I'm giving my view that having watched the two keepers in all their games live this this season, I've noticed that Brad has made far more mistakes than Hugo.

My guess would be the error rate would be something like 3 mistakes by Brad to one by Hugo

but without doubt Brad has made more mistakes

you clearly don't pay much attention to games, at least recently, as I had to point out the two blatant clangers by Brad v Wigan and Soton which you appear to have missed.

I can name 3 in Lloris last game.

Not clearing the ball from a rubbish Naughton back pass
Not getting on the end of a Cross he came for, and a clearance that landed to one of their players not far out that should have done better than heading it onto the roof our our net.

With out doubt? i have a very big doubt on what you are claiming now.

I think Lloris is the better of the two keeper, but now by as much as you claim (thats your opinion), but i also think Lloris could be a lot closer if not a few more mistakes when considering the number of games each have played.

Brad is a solid keeper and i dont think he makes that many mistakes in what he does. Lloris looks like he will try and do more, and because of this can be more prone to mistakes.

I also still think that a place in the starting 11 is earned and not done on the price tag of a player, its what they do on the pitch for us and at training. So far Lloris hasn't had enough great games for me to see him as our number 1.

 

[Donki]

What makes me laugh more than the situation we find ourselves in regarding our keeper is that some people on here think it has any bearing on our out field displays, it simply doesn't, I don't think there would be much of a difference in results if Hugo had started the majority of games.

I have said before I refuse to critisize a keeper unless they make a complete fucking howler which IMO Brad hasn't done. Simply due to the fact that they are the last line of defence and there are probably errors in midfield and defence leading up to a conceded goal which are far more worthy of blame.

Who do I think should continue? Well my arse is sore sitting on the fence but I believe that Hugo should now be given a run of games simply to elevate some pressure off the situation. Get to Christmas and analyse the situation and now that we have spent the money on Hugo we should be looking to play him, if brad isn't happy sort out a loan or transfer. Now don't get me wrong I respect Brad and think he has served us well but we need this situation sorted out. If we were signing Hugo Brad should have been asked if he wanted to go. We have made a right cluster fuck of the whole scenario in my opinion. It's not Hugo or Brads fault in any way shape or form.

 

[Mackay6]

I think the Wigan goal is an honest difference of opinions. A corner came in wicked fast right under his crossbar and he made a save ....he also almost got back to Watson's strike but not quite. Why Watson had no marker is a bigger question. He also made numerous saves in that game to keep it a contest. So, I reckon it's very harsh to say he flapped at that corner, but fair enough if you want to characterize it that way.

The Soton goal description is a lie though. A corner came in low to the near post and Brad made a really good point blank save to keep it from going over the line. The Soton lad followed up and knocked it in high off the post. Nothing Brad could do about it. To suggest he "failed to deal with cross that led to Soton goal" is simply not true.

Watch it again from 3:04 below.

It's not a lie, I'm talking about the cross that led to the corner from which Soton scored.

I should have made myself clearer, but I was certainly not lying. I just thought it was obvious that people would know what I was talking about.

 

[Dannyspur]

I reckon lloris's distribution is better, Freidal takes an age to get rid of the ball and 9 times out of 10 punts it high towards defoe - thus handing over possession (allowing teams to pound us until they score eg manu manc soton...) Lloris is always looking to release the ball early, either to a spurs player or before the defence has chance to line up ready for the long ball.
Lloris also 'seems' better on crosses. Brad is undeniably a top shot stopper but overall I would go with LLoris

 

[Mackay6]

I can name 3 in Lloris last game.

Not clearing the ball from a rubbish Naughton back pass
Not getting on the end of a Cross he came for, and a clearance that landed to one of their players not far out that should have done better than heading it onto the roof our our net.

With out doubt? i have a very big doubt on what you are claiming now.

I think Lloris is the better of the two keeper, but now by as much as you claim (thats your opinion), but i also think Lloris could be a lot closer if not a few more mistakes when considering the number of games each have played.

Brad is a solid keeper and i dont think he makes that many mistakes in what he does. Lloris looks like he will try and do more, and because of this can be more prone to mistakes.

I also still think that a place in the starting 11 is earned and not done on the price tag of a player, its what they do on the pitch for us and at training. So far Lloris hasn't had enough great games for me to see him as our number 1.

Fine you see it dfferent to me.

Every game I see Brad standing on his line not coming for crosses he should be dealing with. I'd make that at least three mistakes a game on average, probably more. Then I see Brad fail to come out quickly enough to help his defence from issues on the ground, I'd make that at least 2 mistakes a game on average, probably more.

It is my opinion, as you say, that Lloris is a far superior keeper to Brad, maybe I'm the only one who believes this, maybe I'm not.

What we do agree on is that Lloris is the better keeper, so that's good.

I also notice that 93% so far see lloris as the best keeper, only 3% see Brad that way, even Gomes has got more votes than Friedel,

so it's pretty clear that most see Lloris as the better keeper and by such a massive margin, I would think it likely that quite a few think that Hugo is far better than Brad.

 

[hybridsoldier]

I love Brad and he hasn't made mistakes and is a model pro.

BUT in Lloris we have a goalkeeper at a young age who has shown the talent and qualities to be the captain of a very talented and ego filled French national team.

Simply put, I think beyond Buffon, Casillas, and probably Joe Hart, Lloris is one of the BEST out there and we are wasting him and grating down his confidence and belief.

 

[The Apprentice]

Brad. Lloris made a mistake in the league cup (due to Naughton back pass) whereas Brad's done nothing wrong.

Just to be clear, "Brad's done nothing wrong" means that Friedel hasn't been at fault for any goal he's conceded this year?


It doesn't make sense to purely compare mistakes a keeper makes as an indicator to their effectiveness. You need to factor in proactive bits of goalkeeping that directly affect the team. Distribution, speed off line, coming for crosses, etc.

 

[ultimateloner]

Just to be clear, "Brad's done nothing wrong" means that Friedel hasn't been at fault for any goal he's conceded this year?


It doesn't make sense to purely compare mistakes a keeper makes as an indicator to their effectiveness. You need to factor in proactive bits of goalkeeping that directly affect the team. Distribution, speed off line, coming for crosses, etc.

Yes by nothing wrong i mean blunder, Rob Green style.

I also agree with you that mistakes of that type alone are sufficient indicators of effectiveness. However they are neccesary ones. To be a good keeper you have to NOT make mistakes. For me a keeper who makes 3 mistakes and makes 3 beautiful saves is a lesser one than one who makes 1 mistake and saves 1. Reason is I want a keeper who doesn't concede soft goals to an opposition that we should beat. This ensures we get 3 pts against most teams, as we are high quality on paper in PL.

Another point is that the softer qualities like distribution etc (the ones you listed above) are hard to quantify and subjective, so i give them less weight in evaluation.

 

[YiddoInPoland]

I have been a vocal member is wanting Lloris in the team, but it would be tricky to compare the two on the basis of goals conceded in the games they have played simply because the matches are completely different. We can say that you think a keeper would do better in certain situations, but that is purely opinion as you would never know. For instance, when we were owned by City at home last year, i thought Gomes would have saved about 3/4 of the Man City goals, that is pure opinion, he might have let in 10 for all i know.

Brad has never been a worldy type of keeper, he is solid, fine, nothing wrong with that and he hasn't done anything wrong per say, but Lloris has the age and potential to be up there with the best keepers and it is something we should be looking at in terms of the future structure of the team, he could be our keeper for 10 to 12 years potentially, and in this season of transition where expectations should be lower he can be bedded in and get used to league.

I have said before if he is rubbish we will soon find out...

 

[StartingPrice]

As someone pointed out in the other thread, we've got two great keepers, one of whom is on his way to retirement. This is a nice situation to be in and I don't quite get why the knives are out for Brad. Lloris will get his chance and hopefully be in goal for us for many years.

I don't mean to suggest that some folk are a little too susceptible to the (bollocks talked by) the media...but, isn't it funny that the media started this BS before Lloris had even been available to play, and at the same time as whiging about the Lloris situation they want to implant the idea that AVB is making the same mistakes he made at Cheslea, when one of those much trumopeted mistakes was leaving the veterans out - and Brad is a veteran.

I would like to see Lloris getting a run in the team, but, ignoring the panic, I don't think it should be that much of an issue and genuinely believe that if this was United the media would be falling over themselves to pat Beetroot Head on the back for his wise decision to allow Lloris to ease into his new role. Let's not forget, de Gea was an absolute fecking bollock at the start of last season when he was suddenly confronted with EPL football.